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Posted: 11 years ago
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vinita
i personally did not want jalal to punish ruqaiya .because fate has dealt a cruel blow of not becoming
mother .that itself a bigger punishment to her . i always felt for in certain situations . throught this one yr of this serial . .but i do not have an ounce of sympathy after this track .ruqs has every right to be jealous of jodha or any other begum .plot against them be mean to them or whatever to all others.
i never judged her based on those actions .that!s part of her grey character.

but her jealousy ,ego ,should not stoop low to hurt her husband or friend who always fulfilled his responsibility towards her . he should be the first person in her thoughts .

jalal always fulfilled her responsibilities to wards her .when ever she demanded his attention .he always obliged .

regarding jodha . i have no comments





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Posted: 11 years ago
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I totally agree with u...this is the same thing I want to express through my replies in other's post
Making other person guilty for their wrong deeds is the appt punishment one can gave to another that is wat jalal is doing here ,although he had forgiven ruqu but he will never forget her deeds
And as far as ruku is concerned she is not bothered about anybody's feelings(that'swhy she didn't even think twice before insulting jodha )except jalal as he is the only one through which she can maintain her status in mughal sultanate(even she doesnot care wat jalal think about ruku as a person she only want the "audha"to be maintained)
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Not everyone, Vinita. Not me, for sure.

I loved that episode, for the neat scripting, the telling lines and the excellent performances. It would take too long to explain why, for though all the reasons you have advanced here are valid, those are not the only ones. And then, there should be more to an episode analysis than justifications for what the characters do or don't do, there are the performances, for one thing. But here, everything is so often reduced to attacking or elevating one character or the other.

If you or anyone else is interested in my take on the matter, young Divya got me to reproduce my long post, which I had put up in the forum where I write these days, on her thread for this episode, It can be seen at

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/108316012

and is called Jodha Akbar 261: Equal Honours.


Shyamala B.Cowsik


I know everyone is now super mad at jodha n jalal for forgiving ruqqaiya and so was i initiallyI
but when I sat down to think abt it i realised that he was not so wrong in forgiving her either.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Not everyone, Vinita. Not me, for sure.

I loved that episode, for the neat scripting, the telling lines and the excellent performances. It would take too long to explain why, for though all the reasons you have advanced here are valid, those are not the only ones. And then, there should be more to an episode analysis than justifications for what the characters do or don't do, there are the performances, for one thing. But here, everything is so often reduced to attacking or elevating one character or the other.

If you or anyone else is interested in my take on the matter, young Divya got me to reproduce my long post, which I had put up in the forum where I write these days, on her thread for this episode, It can be seen at

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/108316012

and is called Jodha Akbar 261: Equal Honours.


Shyamala B.Cowsik


Thank u Shyamalaji for ur comment. Thanks for the pm also. I did read the said post of urs on the other forum and agreed with it totally. Here I did not comment on the actors n their performance just the characters as there was a lot of anger in the forum reg. jalal's decision to forgive ruqqaiya and I only wanted to comment on what I felt abt their decisions. I agree that the performances were very good specially of Rajat but then he usually is very good at emoting these different emotions perfectly on the screen.
I am right now having some problem accessing the other forum on my iPad therefore i could not comment on ur post it will continue to hopefully be able to read ur wonderful analysis in the future too.

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Posted: 11 years ago
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No, no Vinita, I was not saying that you should have gone into all that. You were not really doing an episode analysis,but focussing more on making that one crucial point, that Jalal had some justification for letting Ruqaiya off so apparently easily. From that point of view, you were correct in limiting yourself to this aspect.

In fact, I do not think, like some do here, that Jalal has forgiven Ruqaiya but will not forget what she has done to him. It seems to me that it is the exact opposite. He is trying hard to forget it, and says so repeatedly, though he is not quite succeeding in this attempt, but he has NOT forgiven her.

His cold, very off-putting behaviour on Friday, and his cutting remarks about her never now being able to become the Maryam-uz-Zamani are proof of that. Do see my post. Confusing Emotions, about the Friday episode; it will interest you.

Shyamala

Originally posted by: vinitaj27



Thank u Shyamalaji for ur comment. Thanks for the pm also. I did read the said post of urs on the other forum and agreed with it totally. Here I did not comment on the actors n their performance just the characters as there was a lot of anger in the forum reg. jalal's decision to forgive ruqqaiya and I only wanted to comment on what I felt abt their decisions. I agree that the performances were very good specially of Rajat but then he usually is very good at emoting these different emotions perfectly on the screen.

I am right now having some problem accessing the other forum on my iPad therefore i could not comment on ur post it will continue to hopefully be able to read ur wonderful analysis in the future too.



Originally posted by: sashashyam

Not everyone, Vinita. Not me, for sure.

I loved that episode, for the neat scripting, the telling lines and the excellent performances. It would take too long to explain why, for though all the reasons you have advanced here are valid, those are not the only ones. And then, there should be more to an episode analysis than justifications for what the characters do or don't do, there are the performances, for one thing. But here, everything is so often reduced to attacking or elevating one character or the other.

If you or anyone else is interested in my take on the matter, young Divya got me to reproduce my long post, which I had put up in the forum where I write these days, on her thread for this episode, It can be seen at

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/108316012

and is called Jodha Akbar 261: Equal Honours.


Shyamala B.Cowsik

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Dear Vinita,
I read your post and liked it. Your reasoning seemed very logical.. so did I read Shyamla aunty's wonderful post(which is always the best in our forum) and I agreed with er too. But still I can't get over the fact that Rukaiyaa has not an ounce of guilt for what she has done and secondly does she deserve a pardon for such a big betrayal.

JOdha is Jodha ..she believes in forgiving her enemies and here the question is of her husband's best friend and his first wife.. so she did the right thing from her POV.. But what about Jalal..? He has forgiven her for her lies . in moortikaand , about her joining hands with maham in Sujamal issue.. but this time she has stooped too low.. she has played with his emotions ..has cheated her best friend and husband.. she has hurt him where it hurts him the most.. that he wants an heir desperately .. she has misused his blind trust in her.. gone to the level of playing with everyones emotions.. from his Ammijaan, Salima Begum,everyone who cares for her.. How is this crime pardonable in any terms.. Jalal may have forgiven her on Jodhas insistence but how can he trust her now ..that trust is lost .. I don't know if Ruks has understood the depth of the wounds she has inflicted on him.. and the worst part of it all was that she did not do it to bring jalal closer to her .. but to separate Jo from Jalal because her fear that Jodha will take her place .. and her Audhaa soon .. I think even she fears Jo becoming MUZ.. .. Jealousy is fine because it comes out of love.. but what she did was for fear of loosing control over Jalal.. over her Shehenshah.. and for retaining her BEK audha..

She was BEK so was expected to behave most responsibility and here she does not think of what consequences will she face if this was exposed ..to what extent everyone will ridicule her .. to what extent Jalal might punish her.. to what extent she is betraying every ones trust??

How can she be pardoned.. Thats why we are angry ..but Jalal is wholly responsible for Ruks behavior for it is he who has spoiled her so much ..letting her behave rudely, insulting anyone and everyone and thats why she was so over confident that Jalal will believe her blindly and so it happened .. If a child or a friend is wrong ..you have to correct him.. if you dont tell him what he is doing or has done is wrong.. how will he improve.. Jalal should have put her in her place long back.. but now Alas..its too late to mend anything.. so he had to pay too big a price for pampering his BEK too much.. who is now beyond any repair..
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Posted: 11 years ago
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My dear Neesha,

Thank you so very much, my dear, for such a lavish compliment. I miss you in my new habitat, and I hope that from my next post, Confusing Emotions, re: the Friday episode, about which I have PMed you, you will join me there as well. I would love to have you comment on my threads there.

Coming to your take on this episode No, 261, I would agree with you in toto, except that re: Jalal, you are proceeding from an assumption that is not justified, to wit, that Jalal has forgiven Ruqaiya. He has done no such thing.

I am reproducing below the relevant extract about the Jalal-Ruqaiya scene from my above-mentioned post, since it might be of interest to others here as well. It goes as follows.

My post on Jodha Akbar 262: Confusing Emotions (Extract)

Jalal-Ruqaiya-Jodha: Confusing emotions: That Ruqaiya pretends to Jodha that she has really lost her baby is hardly surprising; she would not know that Jodha is in on the secret.

What I could not understand was why Jodha goes there at all. What was she planning to say or do? She would feel awkward lying and pretending to commiserate with Ruqaiya. Perhaps she wanted to bridge the gap between the 24x7 caring she was providing earlier and the break that was bound to come now. Either way, it was an ill-considered move.

Luckily for Ruqaiya, Jalal arrives before she has had the chance to say anything really nasty to Jodha, or she would have copped it from him. As it is, the way he behaves is cold and off-putting enough to freeze any errant wife to the marrow.

It was absolutely clear that though he says he wants to forget her perfidy and never refer to it again, he has NOT forgiven her, not at all. In fact, if one looks back on the previous episode, one realises that Jalal never says, clearly and unambiguously, that he has forgiven her. Ruqaiya simply assumes it is so because he has not punished her.

But forgetting and forgiving are two very different things. It is more common to forgive but not forget. Here, it is the other way around. Jalal wants to forget it all, for her sake and even more so for his own peace of mind, though in fact he is very far from having reached this stage. He has NOT forgiven her at all.And in this scene, it was clear beyond the shadow of a doubt that he is still very hurt and angry inside, for all that he tries to get over it.

It shows when he has the palna moved away from Ruqaiya's rooms, with the superficially convincing reason that it would hurt her to look at it. That it goes back to Jodha's rooms has been interpreted by some as the shifting of his hopes, but I do not think he is quite there yet. To my mind, he is still recovering from this shock, and it would be a while before he picks up enough courage to dream again about a child calling him Abba huzoor.

It shows even more clearly in the cold aloofness with which he treats Ruqaiya, and in his strange and cutting remark about God having punished her by making it impossible for her to ever have a child.

Now this is completely illogical, for that miscarriage, and the ingestion of the ark that made it impossible for her to ever have a child again, happened to Ruqaiya for no fault of hers. But when has anger ever bothered with logic?

Worse, there follows the other remark, like a stiletto being turned in her wounded ego, that she could thus never become the Maryam-uz-Zamani.

I found that part decidedly interesting psychologically, for though Jalal does say that this last was the greatest sorrow for him, ie that his Begum-e-Khaas would not be giving him his heir, the whole tenor of the comment is almost sadistic in its intent to cause the maximum pain. For he knows that for Ruqaiya, becoming the Maryam-uz-Zamani would be more important than becoming a mother, and he obviously wants to hit her where it would hurt the most.

It was this last jab that convinced me that Ruqaiya has now finally lost Jalal. The only way for her to get back to whatever extent would have been to learn from her mistakes, and turn herself inside out to convince him that she had indeed changed at long last. But the precap would seem to indicate that Ruqaiya, whatever her guilt, regret, shame and desperation, has learnt nothing at all.

Which is a pity, for instead of an interesting triangle of husband-friend-beloved,, we are apparently going to have a high-pitched negative character in the typical Balaji mould. Ruqaiya will probably attempt something even worse in its unregenerate folly pretty soon, without or without Mahaam's advice and assistance.


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As for Ruqaiya' monumental folly, it was a cruelly insensitive thing to do, though Bakshi Banu's and Mahaam's misdeeds were worse, and both could have got Jodha killed for infidelity by a madly angry Jalal,and in the first case, even Hamida Banu does not have faith in Jodha. But what I could never understand, apart from the betrayal part , is this.

How did a woman like Ruqaiya, supposed to be sharp enough to give Jalal political advice, embark upon such a risky exercise without an exit plan? Remember, when Mahaam asks her what she proposes to do as the months go by, she seemed to have given it no thought at all.

It is this that is the worst of all about this stupid track, which was clearly aimed at gilding Jodha's halo some more, and bringing her much closer to Jalal. Which it seems to have accomplished.

Ruqaiya does feel deeply guilty and ashamed of her kartoot, but only because she has been caught out (thanks to that highly artificial speculation by the senior Hakima Sahiba) and she is now afraid that she will be consigned to the outer darkness by Jalal, if not worse. It is only her equation with Jalal that matters to her, which is understandable. What is not understandable is how stupidly she handles this core relationship.

I feel exactly the same as you in your last para, and I have always said so. Except that in the old days, Jalal was only a bit less difficult and temperamental than Ruqaiya, though he always had an innate kindness for all those who are loyal to him and are dependent on him, a grace that Ruqaiya has always lacked. Plus, Jalal would not know how she behaves in the harem, nor would he, as most men would do, care anything about that.

The real fault re: Ruqaiya's upbringing lies with Hamida Banu. She was a small girl when she came into Hamida's care, and she could have been shaped into a caring young woman, who behaved with the kind of dignity and benevolence one would expect of the chief queen. Hamida seems to have been a complete flop in the mothering department - witness the kind of products she turned out, first Ruqaiya and then Bakshi Banu! 😉

Given this, Jalal should,once he started getting so close to Jodha, have sat Ruqaiya down and explained to her, gently but firmly, that she would continue to be his dearest friend and his Begum-e-Khaas, but he cared a lot for Jodha too and she would have to adjust to that and behave well with Jodha. He never even attempts that, taking shelter under his pat excuse that he cannot understand women. He is, like most men faced with such a situation, reluctant to get involved, that is all!😉

Next, he should not, knowing perfectly well that Ruqaiya is jealous of Jodha, have gone to town making such a fuss over her return. Ok, he is in love for the first time, so let that passs.

But again, he goes on lauding her to the skies for her courage during the attack on the way to the orphanage, praise so OTT that even Jodha feels awkward about it. Even among siblings, praising one child too much in front of the other always causes negative reactions.

Even earlier, the excessive fuss made over Jodha's return to Agra, plus the odd shaadi ki saalgirah celebrations, all of them acted like tinder for Ruqaiya's already short fuse. Till then, she keeps herself under control, and behaves very well during the preparations for Jodha's reception, but then the strain gets to be too much, and she plunges into this insane fraud.

Well, this sort of thing would not have been uncommon in medieval royal households. In Maharana Pratap, Maharana Udai Singh's favourite queen, the gorgeous Dheerbaiji, plots and plots relentlessly to get rid of the heir to the throne, Kunwar Pratap, since she wants her own much younger son to succeed Maharana Udai Singh.

At least Ruqaiya has some clear codes and a basic sense of honour; she will not, unlike Mahaam, ever stoop to murder, and she really cares for Jalal. She slaps Hoshiyaar for suggesting, during the BB track, that they should get rid of Jodha's (assumed ) baby, proclaiming that it would be Jalal's baby and that was what mattered to her. That is why I feel that with proper upbringing , her negative traits would have been suppresssed and the positive ones enhanced. But she never got that kind of upbringing.

Shyamala Aunty


Originally posted by: neeshaa16

Dear Vinita,

I read your post and liked it. Your reasoning seemed very logical.. so did I read Shyamla aunty's wonderful post(which is always the best in our forum) and I agreed with her too. But still I can't get over the fact that Rukaiyaa has not an ounce of guilt for what she has done and secondly does she deserve a pardon for such a big betrayal.

JOdha is Jodha ..she believes in forgiving her enemies and here the question is of her husband's best friend and his first wife.. so she did the right thing from her POV.. But what about Jalal..? He has forgiven her for her lies . in moortikaand , about her joining hands with maham in Sujamal issue.. but this time she has stooped too low.. she has played with his emotions ..has cheated her best friend and husband.. she has hurt him where it hurts him the most.. that he wants an heir desperately .. she has misused his blind trust in her.. gone to the level of playing with everyones emotions.. from his Ammijaan, Salima Begum,everyone who cares for her.. How is this crime pardonable in any terms.. Jalal may have forgiven her on Jodhas insistence but how can he trust her now ..that trust is lost .. I don't know if Ruks has understood the depth of the wounds she has inflicted on him.. and the worst part of it all was that she did not do it to bring jalal closer to her .. but to separate Jo from Jalal because her fear that Jodha will take her place .. and her Audhaa soon .. I think even she fears Jo becoming MUZ.. .. Jealousy is fine because it comes out of love.. but what she did was for fear of loosing control over Jalal.. over her Shehenshah.. and for retaining her BEK audha..

She was BEK so was expected to behave most responsibility and here she does not think of what consequences will she face if this was exposed ..to what extent everyone will ridicule her .. to what extent Jalal might punish her.. to what extent she is betraying every ones trust??

How can she be pardoned.. Thats why we are angry ..but Jalal is wholly responsible for Ruks behavior for it is he who has spoiled her so much ..letting her behave rudely, insulting anyone and everyone and thats why she was so over confident that Jalal will believe her blindly and so it happened .. If a child or a friend is wrong ..you have to correct him.. if you dont tell him what he is doing or has done is wrong.. how will he improve.. Jalal should have put her in her place long back.. but now Alas..its too late to mend anything.. so he had to pay too big a price for pampering his BEK too much.. who is now beyond any repair..

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Posted: 11 years ago
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DearShaymla Aunty,
Its indeed an honor and privilege to get this kind of in depth repsonse from you. I am on cloud nine!! While I agree to most of your points wonderfully explained by you ..I beg to differ on some ..Kindly excuse my grammatical errors and my poor English..

First and foremost if Jalal hasn't forgiven Ruqaiya ..at least wholeheartedly as you say..then what has Jodha gained from the saugandh she gives him?? Is he honest enough??Why did not he admit it to Jodha that he will try to forgive but its not so easy for him.. Johda is trying to save their relationship ..their friendship?? But hasn't that relation already gone sour even before the exit of Jodha from Agra??

Hasn't Jalal drifted away from Ruquiya mentally after the moortikaand?He himself had admitted that he had hardly visited her in Jo's absence and even before that..After Benazir track what happened was Jalal was sure that Jodha had a place for him in his heart which he always yearned for.. Now he had started comparing her mentality to Ruqaiya's .As he used to say "soch ko tolna" and gradually finds that Jodha is a much deeper person and Ruqiaya is so much shallow... And after teh moortikaand ..whatever little respect is left for her .she should try to maitain atleast that.. I am trying to say that Jalal has changed so much and this changed does not find Ruquiaya anywhere near his wavelength ..At the same time Ruquiya has never tried to guage why has Jalal changed or what made him change?? She always wants the old Jalal back the Jalal she knew and liked ..the ruthless Emperor without a heart."..

I feel Jalal now does not even seek the companionship with Ruquiya ..he feels irritated with her shallowness..her dominating nature He has surely drfited away from Ruquiya .. and his heart now belongs to Jodha for now he has found a soulmate ,a wife and a dependable friend in Jodha ..does he need Ruqiyaa at all?I am not saying that he should forget his childhood friend becoz of Jodha ..but what did Ruqaiya do to fill the void in his heart ..??

My point here is that what was Jodha trying to save..?? And whats the whole point in jalal thanking Jodha.if he can't forgive Ruqaiya ..In fact thats going to do Ruquiya more harm.. than good.. Instead he could have POURED his heart .scolded her in private and let go off his anger.. may be even slapped her.. for having hurt him so much..for playing off with his emotions.. but this kind of punishment is even worse.. The coldness and aloofness is going to kill her..

Yes about Ruqaiyas upbringing I agree Hamida failed miserably.. but see how Jalal has changed under the influence of good people because somewhere the goodness is there in his heart from the beginning but why hasn't Ruqaiya changed then? SHES not open to change .. I somehow feel this whole upbringing issue is true but some how I feel genes also play an important part here .. Jalal has Hamidas goodness .. I dont know about Ruqaiya. who has influenced her to be what she is..

Thats all I could think of..phew yet I managed to write quiet a lot..

Aunty, I Would love to have your views on this.. I know I am being too greedy.. But plz share your views on this..A big thank you for reading my insane post.. in advance.. and a bigger one for replying to my post.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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My dear Neesha,

Thank you so very much, my dear, for such a lavish compliment. I miss you in my new habitat, and I hope that from my next post, Confusing Emotions, re: the Friday episode, about which I have PMed you, you will join me there as well. I would love to have you comment on my threads there.

Coming to your take on this episode No, 261, I would agree with you in toto, except that re: Jalal, you are proceeding from an assumption that is not justified, to wit, that Jalal has forgiven Ruqaiya. He has done no such thing.

I am reproducing below the relevant extract about the Jalal-Ruqaiya scene from my above-mentioned post, since it might be of interest to others here as well. It goes as follows.

But forgetting and forgiving are two very different things. It is more common to forgive but not forget. Here, it is the other way around. Jalal wants to forget it all, for her sake and even more so for his own peace of mind, though in fact he is very far from having reached this stage. He has NOT forgiven her at all.And in this scene, it was clear beyond the shadow of a doubt that he is still very hurt ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

As for Ruqaiya' monumental folly, it was a cruelly insensitive thing to do, though Bakshi Banu's and Mahaam's misdeeds were worse, and both could have got Jodha killed for infidelity by a madly angry Jalal,and in the first case, even Hamida Banu does not have faith in Jodha. But what I could never understand, apart from the betrayal part , is this.

How did a woman like Ruqaiya, supposed to be sharp enough to give Jalal political advice, embark upon such a risky exercise without an exit plan? Remember, when Mahaam asks her what she proposes to do as the months go by, she seemed to have given it no thought at all.

It is this that is the worst of all about this stupid track, which was clearly aimed at gilding Jodha's halo some more, and bringing her much closer to Jalal. Which it seems to have accomplished.

Ruqaiya does feel deeply guilty and ashamed of her kartoot, but only because she has been caught out (thanks to that highly artificial speculation by the senior Hakima Sahiba) and she is now afraid that she will be consigned to the outer darkness by Jalal, if not worse. It is only her equation with Jalal that matters to her, which is understandable. What is not understandable is how stupidly she handles this core relationship.

I feel exactly the same as you in your last para, and I have always said so. Except that in the old days, Jalal was only a bit less difficult and temperamental than Ruqaiya, though he always had an innate kindness for all those who are loyal to him and are dependent on him, a grace that Ruqaiya has always lacked. Plus, Jalal would not know how she behaves in the harem, nor would he, as most men would do, care anything about that.

The real fault re: Ruqaiya's upbringing lies with Hamida Banu. She was a small girl when she came into Hamida's care, and she could have been shaped into a caring young woman, who behaved with the kind of dignity and benevolence one would expect of the chief queen. Hamida seems to have been a complete flop in the mothering department - witness the kind of products she turned out, first Ruqaiya and then Bakshi Banu! 😉

Given this, Jalal should,once he started getting so close to Jodha, have sat Ruqaiya down and explained to her, gently but firmly, that she would continue to be his dearest friend and his Begum-e-Khaas, but he cared a lot for Jodha too and she would have to adjust to that and behave well with Jodha. He never even attempts that, taking shelter under his pat excuse that he cannot understand women. He is, like most men faced with such a situation, reluctant to get involved, that is all!😉

Next, he should not, knowing perfectly well that Ruqaiya is jealous of Jodha, have gone to town making such a fuss over her return. Ok, he is in love for the first time, so let that passs.

But again, he goes on lauding her to the skies for her courage during the attack on the way to the orphanage, praise so OTT that even Jodha feels awkward about it. Even among siblings, praising one child too much in front of the other always causes negative reactions.

Even earlier, the excessive fuss made over Jodha's return to Agra, plus the odd shaadi ki saalgirah celebrations, all of them acted like tinder for Ruqaiya's already short fuse. Till then, she keeps herself under control, and behaves very well during the preparations for Jodha's reception, but then the strain gets to be too much, and she plunges into this insane fraud.

Well, this sort of thing would not have been uncommon in medieval royal households. In Maharana Pratap, Maharana Udai Singh's favourite queen, the gorgeous Dheerbaiji, plots and plots relentlessly to get rid of the heir to the throne, Kunwar Pratap, since she wants her own much younger son to succeed Maharana Udai Singh.

At least Ruqaiya has some clear codes and a basic sense of honour; she will not, unlike Mahaam, ever stoop to murder, and she really cares for Jalal. She slaps Hoshiyaar for suggesting, during the BB track, that they should get rid of Jodha's (assumed ) baby, proclaiming that it would be Jalal's baby and that was what mattered to her. That is why I feel that with proper upbringing , her negative traits would have been suppresssed and the positive ones enhanced. But she never got that kind of upbringing.

Shyamala Aunty

Dear Shyamalaji n Neesha thanks for ur posts n comments,
I just have a few questions on this whole topic
Is it really possible to forgive and not forget or vice versa? I mean there have been a lot of times when we feel like we have forgiven someone but then suddenly out of the blue u end up remembering the deed they have done n u realise that at that moment the bitterness n pain is still there somewhere deep inside u. So is it really possible to forgive without forgetting n forgetting without forgiving?

Secondly I was just wondering whether Hamida Bano was always weighed down by the sacrifice made by ruqqaiyas father to save her son when it came to dealing with ruqqaiya and hence was lenient towards her. She in the show has been shown as a person who prefers standing on the lines n not get involved in anything too deeply. She is an advocate of jodha but overall she doesn't offer an opinion or take a stand against anything. It seems she is almost afraid to say much to her son or even be involved much in his life for the fear of rejection. It feels like she is happy with whatever little she has of her son now that she doesn't make much of an effort to be closer to him. I don't know if I am making sense but it just struck me as odd that a mother would not even put her hand on her sons head as a gesture of support when she found out that his dream of becoming a father is once again broken.
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Originally posted by: vinitaj27


A good question.. The thing here is that if you really forgive wholeheartedly ..you will forget.. and not otherwise.. even if there is a tinge of bitterness left.. you can't forget .. thats what I feel and about Hamida you are right.. even I did not understand why she always distances herself from being an emotional anchor to Jalal .. Why she even lacks these basic gestures is whatI fail to understand either..

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Install this web app on your iPhone for the best experience. It's easy, just tap and then "Add to Home Screen".