Originally posted by: Cleo12345
I watched today's episode finally...twice, to make sure that
I don't miss any dialogue or expression of the first Jalal-Jo-Rahim scene.1.
Jo getting insulted in public...I hate hate hate
it...I am on the same page with most of you. Especially if Ruk or MA are among
the audience. However, todays scene was an exception where I can't help but
take a pragmatic approach...Because this is about a child who could have been
dead or severely disabled for life for no fault of his...Jodha is my
favorite character on the show but I am unable to just look at just one aspect of
that complex scene which was so much more than just Jalal scolding Jodha.2.
Jalal's reaction- Jalal's reaction was a father's/guardian's
outburst...He just witnessed a responsible guardian's worst nightmare. We saw his desperation
to save Rahim from hitting the hard ground...He loves Rahim...He married Salima to
ensure Rahim's safety and chose to hand over his kingdom to Rahim( not Hakim
Mirza) during the religious conversion track...before the shock of Rahim's fall
was over, he witnessed Shehnaz laughing and clapping...I have two nephews and can
understand where he is coming from...his irritation and anger towards Shehnaz was
a normal human reaction to the whole situation...So was his question to Jodha... "You
were aware of the fact that she is mentally unstable, why did you let her play
with Rahim?" we have to ask ourselves...what
are we really upset about? Jalal's questions to Jodha or Ruks commentary
in the background?...Take Ruk out of the picture for a minute...then watch Jalal-Jo
convo...you will feel that Jalal was justified in reacting the way he reacted...Jo's immidiate response was to defend Shehnaz...I rewinded to listen to her answer
again and again...her choice of words was poor and had a tinge of insensitivity
for Rahim..."durghatna ke liye hamein khed hai...par iska matlab yeh nahin hai ki
Shehnaaz apraadhi hai"...Forget Jalal, I would have erupted like a volcano to
this response...The appropriate answer would have been..." I'll make sure that
she doesn't do anything to jeopardize Rahim's safety in future"...I think Jalal
would have calmed down... she could have chosen a more appropriate moment to
defend Shehnaz (Jalal calms down, Rahim playing again,
Ruk not present)... Put yourself in Jalal's place...Would you care if a person
whose action could have resulted in grievous injury or death of a loved one has
a "paavan mann" or not?... That may be important in deciding the punishment but
not in deciding that this person needs to be away from our loved one...In the modern world, it is called " involuntary manslaughter" ...He did
tell her "you do not understand the gravity of the situation...she cannot roam
around freely"...Of course, she can be dangerous again...I have seen mentally unstable
people closely...it really does not matter what the intentions were...it their action
and its consequence that matters...Two real life examples..</p>
I)A family in the US didn't consent to
transferring a very sweet patient with advanced dementia with serious judgment
issues to a locked and closely guarded Alzheimer's unit of the hospital (human rights can be pain in the rear end at times)...the
little old lady found the paint left in the corridor by a careless painter on a
cigarette break...drank it to her hearts content and then generously offered it to
her roommate ...both were saved as a doctor happened to be rounding at that
time...but the family has to be blamed for not understanding the gravity of the
situation in first place despite attempts to make them understand.II) A US state law prevented (human rights
again😡) the physician from reporting a mildly demented patient with poor
reflexes to the driving licensing authority...The patient and family repeatedly
insisted that only place she drove to was the church on Sundays which was five
minutes away. There was a school on the way...two kids were killed before the
license could be revoked.To me, Rahim's safety is the most important
factor here...The only complain I have as far as Jalal is concerned...why he hell did
he not shut up Ruk and Salima?...All three begums decided to go nuts at the same
time.3.
Salima's
reaction??? What was that???...I refuse to let my love for Jodha affect my
objectivity here...It was ok to defend Jo and explain her POV to Jalal...Her
reaction lacked the concern of the mother who could have lost her child...I wish
she had told Jalal that she'll talk to Jo and do something so Shehnaz stays
away from Rahim.4.
Ruk...no comments...5.
Shehnaz ----a Bachchi or Paagal?( Jodha's eyes)A.
Does it matter? What matters is the consequence
of her actions...Going back to my example of the sweet patients...if innocent
people can get hurt (intentionally or unintentionally)...something needs to be done.B.
Paagal, mad or crazy are vague terms that include a spectrum of psychiatric
diagnosis. Not all mad or crazy people behave
like the ones they show in hindi movies from the 70's ...making faces or
laughing hysterically...Medicine is not a perfect science( that's why computers can be doctors😉)...they may not have all
the textbook features but still be mentally
imbalanced. Every case is slightly different from the other...John Nash, the famous Nobel Prize winning scientist from MIT was a schizophrenic...he
lead a normal life most of the time but had delusions and hallucinations that
KGB, the Soviet intelligence agency was spying on him during cold war.C.
When we say Shehnaz is child like...this diagnosis has a name...Regression...described as a type of defense mechanism by Freud. Regression occurs when a person under stress
reverts to behavior characteristic of a younger age. I disagree that she has regression...she exhibits
( pretends to) features of psychosis...and who says psychotic people can't have childlike
behavior?...She is not like Rahim ...as Jo and Salima inaccurately suggested...her
emotions are inconsistent with external reality. Rahim was shouting for help
and Jalal was bang on in noticing that the laughing and clapping was abnormal.
We don't have to be pediatricians to be familiar with the milestones with aging
in children.. Studies have shown that kids are very perceptive towards potential
dangers and threats at a very early age. Rahim has clearly shown that..He is barely 4-5 years old...still detects potential
danger. He lied to Jalal during the miscarriage track because of the tone of Jalal's
voice...his could sense a threat... He does know right from wrong...knows that
stealing is wrong...one of the reasons he didn't want Jo to tell Jalal about
stealing the dibbi..He hid from MA ...knew that she is not trustworthy and
capable of punishing him...he is perceptive enough to know that Jo left because something was not right...his little brain blamed himself...no more kahani
ki zid...Shehnaz is not childlike like Rahim...she was laughing and clapping when Rahim
was shouting for help...Rahim in her place would have sensed that something was
not right and probably would have been scared ( like most kids his age...we know
that there are mean kids but that is abnormal too)...Shehnaz's behavior shows a
defect in contact with reality as well as judgement...this is NOT just childlike
behavior but abnormal by all definitions. Not fair to compare Shehenaz's
behavior with regular kids...or say that kids hurt each other while playing...
if the playmate is in trouble( shouting for help) most normal kids would have
been nervous... not clap and laugh ...If Jo and Salima couldn't see that...they didn't
want to see it. They were too
preoccupied with defending Shehenaz. Kids who are seen to exhibit such abnormal and potentially dangerous
behavior( irrespective of century) are corrected by teachers and parents and guardians...defending an act that can result in the loss of a life is wrong
by all standards...MV and HB reprimand their adult kids for hurting others...Jo
and Salima don't want to accept that their bachchi' was at fault. CVs hv been
butchering Jo's character for some time...now Salima too??...If Shehnaz's act
endangered a child's life...keep her away from that child...should they wait for a
second event? Not in my opinion.D.
Options for Shehnaz...Jalal said "usko elaaj ke
liye Mathura jaana hoga"...he is not throwing her out on the street like some people
fear...he was talking about Todarmal's Ashram...Jodha was not planning to bring
Shehnaz with her in first place...Shehnaz
manipulated her...If Jo wants, Jalal will ensure all kind of facilities for Shehnaz in Mathura...Or Jo can request Jalal to keep Shehnaz in agra with restrictions. But status quo? Asking for trouble.6.
Positive point...I think that Jo wasn't really
upset with Jalal( then why should we be?😉...so chill)...she was just acting like a typical
wife who wanted her husband to manaofy her after he scolded her (does it sound familiar my married friends?😉)...had
he not left the hojra feeling that she is really upset(men!!!!...give up too soon😡)...she
was almost ready to forgive and forget...her expression said it all...😊
<p>7.
I don't think Jalal apologized for his stand on
Shehnaz...he said hamein afsos hai' for shouting at her and the whole incident...but
he didn't say that Shehnaz is innocent or he agrees with Jo( I am glad)...the
next epi will tell us for sure. I really hope that he does something to keep
her away from our little khanekhana.My POV...between Jodha's emotions and Rahim's
life...I give my vote to Rahim's life. And, irrespective of this incident... Jo-Jalal relationship is getting stronger and going in the right direction.😃
Hi Cleo,
Wonderfully expressed. I agree Jalal was not at fault for being angry with Shehnaz. He only shouted at Jo in this anger. True, being an adult and a king, he should have better control over his temper. But here his reaction as a aguardian was normal and understandable. I also would have preferred if Jo had kept quiet about Shehnaz @ that time cos it's no use trying to make an angry person see things from ur POV. It only incenses them more. It is better to wait till they have calmed down.
At that time, jo and SB could have concurred with Jalal and agreed that Shehnaz needs to be kept under restrictions or under watch if they want to keep her in Agra only. Jo has no choice here cos of that vachan.
I was chilled by the scene as I could see my child there. I am disturbed by the casualness of mothers including HB, MV, SB, and even Jo and Ruq (step moms) in this show. Time and again Minnie and I mention this aspect. Nothing and no one is more imp than a child.
SB perhaps hid her reactions so that she could counter Ruq who was trying to fan Jalal's temper. Agreed Jalal may have regretted his anger after cooling down and Jo wasn't really perturbed much by it. But if SB hadn't intervened then, Ruq may have influenced Jalal's thinking and prevented him from regretting shouting at Jo. Apart from short temper, being easily influenced is another flaw in Jalal. So SB had to counter Ruq at that time. If he had shut them both, it is hard to say what he would have done on his own. He may not have understood why jo was attached to Shehnaz. He needed to know this or he may MUed Jo's love for Rahim or her intentions in speaking up for Shehnaz. He also needed to cool down fast before his WA and that may not have happened naturally. Also if he had not immediately gone and spoken to Jo, her anger may have festered and an MU may have resulted. Sometimes things must be ironed out sooner rather than later as otherwise ego may crop in.
I also feel shehnaz is slightly psychotic. She is planning to dethrone and kill jalal and jodha. She seems icy cold and maniacal at that time. Vicious and cold blooded murderer. She also doesn't seem to have any fear or qualm about her plans.
I want to say once more you have done a great job in analysing the situation and presenting it so clinically and compellingly.sorry can't press like from mob.
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