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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0


Sorry, am very late I know and don't know if anyone will still read this :)

I am happy with the comparison with ocean for 1 and only 1 reason. For a long time, I have been reading on this forum that Jalal is as deep as an ocean and Jodha is very shallow - like a gurgling brook and no depth, she is uni-dimensional and so on.

Just because Jalal speaks out and expresses himself and all his varied emotions and Jodha is more gracious and dignified, and generally speaks only as much as is required and does not betray her emotions, we cannot assume that only Jalal has depth and a complex character and Jodha is "flat". People forget that she was a princess and a queen and in those days, royal ladies were expected to be seen but not heard.

Perhaps yesterday's emotional tsunami from Jodha will convince everyone that she too is like the rolling ocean, full of ebbs and tides, full of undercurrents that are not overtly visible. That just because she is calm doesn't mean she is a marble statue - she also has thoughts, opinions, feelings, views, emotions, perceptions, and above all, a strong sense of self.

This tsunami has been building up inside her since the day she was forced to marry Jalal against her wishes. Though outwardly she acquiesced to her father's wishes, she was inwardly raging that she was considered nothing more than a pawn in a political alliance between her father and Jalal. A lot has been said about the famous period of ghrina and I don't want to repeat that here. But when we see Jodha now, we can understand where that ghrina was coming from. When a strong individual is treated like an item of merchandise, ghrina is but a natural consequence.

In the Tasneem track, Jodha gave a beautiful monologue on the status of women in the country. Only a woman with a strong sense of individuality can even think in such terms about the trade of women across kingdoms with impunity. Unfortunately, Jalal didn't quite understand her need for her own identity and the desire for helping other women gain their sense of self-worth. Yes, he did disallow marriage of underage girls and marriage against the wishes of the bride. But he didn't quite understand the gamut of change Jodha wanted across his sultanat and in their own relationship.

Maddy made a beautiful point that Jodha's first positive statement to Jalal was that she now trusted his judgment and knew that he trusted her. Still Jalal kept missing the signal (just like the audience) that trust and self-respect meant more to Jodha than love. In track after track, especially the Ben track, he continued to ride rough-shod on her feelings and self-respect and humiliated her publicly, interspersed with periods of friendliness and trust. Whether he trusted her or not, however, depended entirely on his own bent of mind and proof of her loyalty. Though he had started regarding her as an intelligent, talented and capable woman, he was still susceptible to insinuations against her character and loyalty.

After one year of constantly proving herself and almost sacrificing her own life, the least Jodha expected from Jalal was belief in her fidelity and a willingness to treat her as an equal partner with respect and trust. The twin assault of being accused of an illicit affair and the one-sided renunciation of their relationship completely devastated her. How could a man who claimed to love her obsessively and who proclaimed that he couldn't possibly live without her, have so little regard for her as an individual? Just because he saw and heard something, he was willing to believe that concocted evidence and not his wife? He was not even willing to inquire thoroughly into the matter before coming to a conclusion? How could Jodha accept that he could marry her at his will and leave her at his will? That he could treat her as he liked and allow others to treat her as they liked without ever thinking how she might feel about it?

Diksha very rightly compared this rejection of Jodha to the dhakka. Just as Jalal couldn't reconcile to rejection by the woman he loved, now Jodha is unable to reconcile to rejection by the man she loves. Just as he took a long time to heal and move ahead, she too now needs time to heal before she can move forward. Hence her decision to not go to Agra at the moment is a very wise one. She has to first heal herself, her sense of self, her self-esteem and her belief in Jalal's faith in her and regard for her before she can live with him again. The time out at Amer is just what she needs.

I am not saying much for Jalal because Jalal can speak for himself and there are many who speak for him. I am deeply distressed by his sense of guilt and remorse, at his willingness to leave his empire to search for her and to pacify her. He is even willing to take help from a relative stranger like Todarmal to search for his wife, which is most uncharacteristic of him. He was the most gracious husband possible when Jodha vented all her angst (just as Jodha was when he was venting to her a few days back). Even now, though he is absolutely dejected that she has refused to come with him, he has not lost his sense of purpose and I know he will move heaven and earth to convince her of his trust and his respect for her. If she doesn't come with him, he will follow her to the ends of the world, till she relents. After all, he is the man who had brought her back from the jaws of death with the power of his love. Jodha needs to also see that though his outward behaviour may have left a lot to be desired, his intentions were never suspect. That she too needs to respect him the way she expects him to respect her.

Mansi, you are right. They both should spend some time alone in Amer where "there is no pressure on them to patch up or break up", so that they are both able to heal their negative emotions. They both need to introspect and see where they went wrong and how they can take their relationship forward. Last year, Jodha had gone forcibly with Jalal from Amer to Agra. But this year, she will go willingly, on her own terms. And this time, Jalal will take her, not as a prized possession, but as an equal partner and lifelong companion.

It doesn't matter where they consummate. What is important is that this consummation is not just physical but more about their emotional and soul-level union.

That was beautiful Radhika ... it was a really wonderful read. I totally agree with you that when Jodha finally vented, it was a cumulative venting of every single angst that she held inside over ever since she was forced to marry Jalal. She has come a long way since then, but things hidden deep inside the heart always take time to come out even if things on the surface look as if they are past that stage.
Jala had two opportunities to vent ... once when she attempted suicide, and he then let fly every bit of anger he had that she has this ghrina against him ... andthen he vented out recently too. She has just done it twice too ... once at the Kali temple when she talked of the long-standing ire against temple-pillaging barbaric Mughals and now she has vented regarding their relationship.
How much better it is if people did this kind of venting and self-clearing before the relationship hardens than after? Imagine the consequences of such venting happening only after declarations of love? It would have shattered the marriage had it all come out much later, whereas here things have a chance of rebounding back to a healthy state much earlier because the marriage itself has not acquired "its own baggage".
The reason I wrote that they both need space is because it doesn't help if they have enemies at this stage who try to break them apart, but more importantly, they don't need wellwishers either who try to artificlally glue them back together fast (like Hamida). There should be no pressure to do anything other than the most natural thing, for Nature heals differently than people consciously try to do. When Nature heals people it takes time but its a thorough job.
Also the new promo seems to be a good intervention. My hunch is that Jalal will go towards Agra and Jodha may go towards Amer. Midway to Agra Jalal may get attacked when he is alone by his enemies, which may telepathically also alarm Jodha. She may therefore not go on to Amer and she may turn back towards Agra to help rescue Jalal because she senses his danger. What do you think?
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: sweet_diksha

hi friends,

sorry, i m very late with my take... but was busy full day... so will post my take in some time..

anyway abt promo i think... they r going bit filmy style... Jallu will be badly hurt, and Jo will be blamed for his condition... but then he will gain consciousness only when she will call him , same way he did when she was dying after Ben track...

Diksha, the new promo seems to be a good intervention. My hunch is that Jalal will go towards Agra and Jodha may go towards Amer. Midway to Agra Jalal may get attacked when he is alone by his enemies, which may telepathically also alarm Jodha. She may therefore not go on to Amer and she may turn back towards Agra to help rescue Jalal because she senses his danger. What do you think?
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: ayushimehra




Maybee you right Diksha.But jalal pic's in Amer.

is it means, after hurting, he is going Amer. because i not see promo.

Yes maybe they take Jalal to Amer for treatment after he gets hurt?
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: sweet_diksha

wonderful, awesome, amazing... just superb take , Mansi... very much balanced and as usual very positive...👏

there was every chance of negativity or bashing any character...but i knew u won't do it... and as usual u did just what i thought, a very balanced analysis of both Jodha - Jalal characters and the situation they r in... and so with agreement to ur every word, here is my take...

finally Jo burst out, that was long due and necessary else keeping every pain in her heart, and loving and caring for him silently would have killed her in few days... and killed her, i mean it... a natural death coz just in few days, her detachment for life would have caused her giving up her willpower to stay alive... and when one lose his willpower, death comes very naturally and silently...

so now this outburst of her , will atleast keep her alive, coz though she has turned down his apology, her heart must have registered his pain... and now his pain will keep her alive to bear it in her heart though she may be away from him for a while... not necessarily there should be any contact btw them, eye-contact or speech or any type of contact, still the news u get from anywhere makes u feel the emotions of other person, his desires, his sorrows and happiness... this is what will happen btw these two...

both Jodha and Jalal r standing at the point where physically they may be poles apart but there hearts do recognize each other's pains... both know that over the time they have wronged each other...both know at certain times they were right in their own places... still at times they blame each other , knowing very well that other one is not completely guilty, still they hurt each other... reason???? simple... somewhere deep inside there heart they know this is the only person who can take out every single pain , every hurt, every hatred in his/her heart , and help them heal the wound with his/her love...

in Ben track, Jo took every blame, insult, pain, Jalal gave him, when she was completely innocent... even later she forgave him without any expectation... so now when there was a mistake of her own of hiding the truth from him , still she is putting all blame on him... is it justified? i ll say yes, it is... coz this time, though her words blame him for this particular MU btw them, still the pain behind that hurt is for all those insults she bore without any mistake of hers, her anger is due to the helplessness come to her due to her love for him, her frustration out of the fear she feels for another MU next time and one more questionmark on her dignity , on her loyalty and mostly on her love...

Jodha and Jalal... their journey from hatred to love... how much it has changed them... for the world , this love will always make them unite , they will always stand together , becoming eachother's strength , support , but for just the two of them, this same love is proving to be their weakness..

both r broken... both their hearts r bleeding for other's pain... and though they may get their family's support and love and care, still the only thing that can heel their wounds is eachother's love, trust and support... and till they don't get it, their hearts will keep burning with those pains , though they might put brave fronts in front of the world...

Fear... fear of rejection...fear of losing the most precious thing in their life that is eachother's love...only this same fear , i wish ,should become their strength... after that Ben episode, Jalal was broken... had Jo refused to forgive him then, he would have broken completely... but her silent support and strength and her unspoken love that time helped him overcome his guilt then... now Jo is at same point where she needs his strength and support... and his love... coz this time her heart is shattered... reason... her changed feelings... her love for him... his accusations have made her lose her confidence... confidence abt everything... her love, their relationship, their trust...and till the time she doesn't get her confidence back, she won't be able to relate to his feelings for her... and only Jalal can help her in getting back her lost confidence... not by mere words of love and respect but only by his actions...

and actions doesn't mean, following her everywhere and pleading for forgiveness... he has to prove his respect to the values of her life... for that he doesn't need to keep telling her how much he respects her ppl, or herself, or her feelings or her loyalty... but taking care of the things / of ppl she likes, or values, will make her open her heart for him again... and so Jalal has to be very strong... coz this time his strength needs to work for both of them... for him as an emperor and for Jo as her husband...

and i m sure Jalal will understand this... he will become her piller of strength and support by his own actions, and his love and trust will help Jo get back her confidence very soon...


anyway... new precap and promo... BM will take both Jo and Jalal to Amer...but Jo may refuse to go back with him... and so Ameries will request Jalal to go back to agra for alongwith Jo's husband , he is also a shehenshah and that duty also should be taken care of... So Jalal may leave for Agra , promising to come again after some time to take Jo back to agra... while going back, Mali, SD and AK will attack him and Jalal will be hurt badly...may be Sujamal will save him in time and the news will reach to Jo and she will rush to him...

and so if as per spoilers , they r to reunite by end of april, then this whole track need to end this week only... so let's hope for the best...


Diksha what a beautiful take this is!ClapClapClapClap
See I noticed one thing. All of us viewers are ourselves taking full stock of the Jodha-Jalal relationship so far and analysing it from the day of their forced marriage till today and then we are adjudging how the venting has helped both Jodha and Jalal. If we ourselves are thus taking stock of all that happened so far between them, that is exactly what must be happening in their minds also. They both must also be thinking of the way they started, what all happened for the positive, what all happened in the negative and where they are now.
There are periods like this in life when something earth-shattering happens and we suddenly are forced to examine the long back-trail of or lives to see what all irritations we carried inside ourselves from various incidents. And then comes the big purge when everything that has built up over time comes out. It is cathartic when the heart finally empties itself of all negativity and then comes the calm after the storm, when life begins anew.
Diksha in this case I also find it very poignant that Jalal saved that widow and said it was completely OK to fall in love a second time and to find love a second time. I was at first thinking why did they show a widow, they could have showed any girl wanting to marry her lover and the society against it, but why show a widow on the threshold of a second marriage?
Then the penny dropped for me that there is some symbolism in this.
See Jodha and Jalal are also, as it were, on the verge of discovering a whole new level in themselves. The love they have felt for each other so far may be equated to the "first love" but after all this suspicion and hiding of the truth and anger and mutual acrimony spilling out of both of them, they are bnow standing at the thereshold of a potential for a new chapter of love that is almost like the "second love". This time they will fall for each other not just because of magnetic attraction that pulls them, but because their hearts and minds have levelled against each other and they will go into love with their eyes open and with the understanding that "love" alone is not enough. It needs to be accompanied by "respect, understanding, slow and measured reactions and words that do not hurt". Isn't this like the "second love" that Jalal was defending for the widow?
I am reminded of something my mother once said that when there is a hurricane, tress that have become very hardened break, but saplings that are pliable get to grow where the old tress once stood! I think this storm in their live s is a good thing for Jodha and Jalal because they were in love with the wrong kind of love that allowed harshness to find a place ... but instead they are now - after the calm following the storm - going to be falling in love all over again in a different and mutually respectful way cherishing every other good quality that love brings and not juts talking of "self-consuming love".
What do you think?
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: sweet_diksha

wonderful, awesome, amazing... just superb take , Mansi... very much balanced and as usual very positive...👏

there was every chance of negativity or bashing any character...but i knew u won't do it... and as usual u did just what i thought, a very balanced analysis of both Jodha - Jalal characters and the situation they r in... and so with agreement to ur every word, here is my take...

So true, Diksha! Mansi's threads are always fair and balanced like the tarazu in JA. There is no tilt or favoritism, no bashing or negative criticism. And they attract similar responses too, which is a rarity. Just goes on to show the tremendous respect and goodwill Mansi enjoys on IF. 😊

finally Jo burst out, that was long due and necessary else keeping every pain in her heart, and loving and caring for him silently would have killed her in few days... and killed her, i mean it... a natural death coz just in few days, her detachment for life would have caused her giving up her willpower to stay alive... and when one lose his willpower, death comes very naturally and silently...

so now this outburst of her , will atleast keep her alive, coz though she has turned down his apology, her heart must have registered his pain... and now his pain will keep her alive to bear it in her heart though she may be away from him for a while... not necessarily there should be any contact btw them, eye-contact or speech or any type of contact, still the news u get from anywhere makes u feel the emotions of other person, his desires, his sorrows and happiness... this is what will happen btw these two...

As also the memories of the past and the once-held hopes and desires for the future...Liked the lines in bold very much. 😊 The outburst was waiting to happen because all these days, Jodha was being the dutiful wife, bearing everything with stoicism, in the hope that one day, her grace and calm would win her the trust and love of Jalal, just as Jalal thought that with patience, he could win her love. But when that very duty and devotion is termed vengeful and malicious, when, leave alone her self-respect, her identity as a person is obliterated in one weak moment of suspicion by condemning her as an adultress and unilaterally ending their relationship, such an outburst is but natural. Especially when the beloved who has wreaked such havoc on her soul is in front. Especially when she has had to contain every hurt inside her and act nonchalantly on the outside all this while.

both Jodha and Jalal r standing at the point where physically they may be poles apart but there hearts do recognize each other's pains... both know that over the time they have wronged each other...both know at certain times they were right in their own places... still at times they blame each other , knowing very well that other one is not completely guilty, still they hurt each other... reason???? simple... somewhere deep inside there heart they know this is the only person who can take out every single pain , every hurt, every hatred in his/her heart , and help them heal the wound with his/her love...

in Ben track, Jo took every blame, insult, pain, Jalal gave him, when she was completely innocent... even later she forgave him without any expectation... so now when there was a mistake of her own of hiding the truth from him , still she is putting all blame on him... is it justified? i ll say yes, it is... coz this time, though her words blame him for this particular MU btw them, still the pain behind that hurt is for all those insults she bore without any mistake of hers, her anger is due to the helplessness come to her due to her love for him, her frustration out of the fear she feels for another MU next time and one more questionmark on her dignity , on her loyalty and mostly on her love...

And she also says that this (her hiding the meetings) was not such a huge mistake that he should punish her by ending their relationship without trying to find out the truth. After all, she has borne worse mistakes by him in the past without bringing the future of their relationship into question.

Jodha and Jalal... their journey from hatred to love... how much it has changed them... for the world , this love will always make them unite , they will always stand together , becoming eachother's strength , support , but for just the two of them, this same love is proving to be their weakness..

both r broken... both their hearts r bleeding for other's pain... and though they may get their family's support and love and care, still the only thing that can heel their wounds is eachother's love, trust and support... and till they don't get it, their hearts will keep burning with those pains , though they might put brave fronts in front of the world...

I won't term their love to be their weakness, Diksha. Their love is now acting like a surgeon's scalpel, as Mansi put it. It is cutting out all the hurt, pain, anger, despair, guilt, remorse, in fact, every negative emotion from their hearts, so that they can fill their hearts with the love and faith the other is willing to give them. Their love is preparing them for their future together.

Fear... fear of rejection...fear of losing the most precious thing in their life that is eachother's love...only this same fear , i wish ,should become their strength... after that Ben episode, Jalal was broken... had Jo refused to forgive him then, he would have broken completely... but her silent support and strength and her unspoken love that time helped him overcome his guilt then... now Jo is at same point where she needs his strength and support... and his love... coz this time her heart is shattered... reason... her changed feelings... her love for him... his accusations have made her lose her confidence... confidence abt everything... her love, their relationship, their trust...and till the time she doesn't get her confidence back, she won't be able to relate to his feelings for her... and only Jalal can help her in getting back her lost confidence... not by mere words of love and respect but only by his actions...

and actions doesn't mean, following her everywhere and pleading for forgiveness... he has to prove his respect to the values of her life... for that he doesn't need to keep telling her how much he respects her ppl, or herself, or her feelings or her loyalty... but taking care of the things / of ppl she likes, or values, will make her open her heart for him again... and so Jalal has to be very strong... coz this time his strength needs to work for both of them... for him as an emperor and for Jo as her husband...

and i m sure Jalal will understand this... he will become her piller of strength and support by his own actions, and his love and trust will help Jo get back her confidence very soon...

Theirs is an equal partnership where each is a pillar of strength and support to the other when the other is weakened by circumstances.

anyway... new precap and promo... BM will take both Jo and Jalal to Amer...but Jo may refuse to go back with him... and so Ameries will request Jalal to go back to agra for alongwith Jo's husband , he is also a shehenshah and that duty also should be taken care of... So Jalal may leave for Agra , promising to come again after some time to take Jo back to agra... while going back, Mali, SD and AK will attack him and Jalal will be hurt badly...may be Sujamal will save him in time and the news will reach to Jo and she will rush to him...

and so if as per spoilers , they r to reunite by end of april, then this whole track need to end this week only... so let's hope for the best...

haven't seen promo. TFS. What abt Jo's kidnap spoilers?



I knew Jo's outburst was coming but I had always considered her to be calm and graceful and I expected her words also to come as gently despairing, filled with pathos, and a quiet refusal to compromise on her self-respect and return to Agra. Her passion surprised me. She was so overwrought emotionally that words were failing her and she had to actually resort to shaking and pushing Jalal. A person like her becomes physically demonstrative only when there are not enough words to express what they have to say.

It's a revelation that when need be, Jodha can be just as passionate as Jalal. 😳

Enjoyed your take, Diksha! 👏
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: skanda12

Yes maybe they take Jalal to Amer for treatment after he gets hurt?


just thought, jodha said previous episode, if he respect, her little, he not follow her,
because, in this way, He is increasing her, problems.
so jalal will think, if he go with jodha, for Amer, then she will be more HURT.

so he decided, to go to AGRA, &BM also maybee said, He is also a KING, he should go to AGRA, this problem will be sort out after some time.

Because TIME is also a good healer. (in this case TIME will play, also a big role)

so on the way attack will be happen

IS TM again Help?

is jalal go to Agra, what RUK reaction?

is cv wants to so some long seperation, both will realize, their feelings, &faluts.

is in this way, cv, wants to realize, jodha inner qualites more, to jalal (because, if jodha is in Amer, then jalal will miss more, jodha, (after hurting)

jodha when will listen this news, she will feel also deep pain, &but will not look after jalal

so this gap will realise, what she feels about him. (because after saying or realeasing, her mind will think next, so which feeling will come different )

actually problem is this, they not talked, in this one year, some meaningfully. (so talks
were needed, but lack of talks, blasting happened, cases maybee different.)


so now ques how they met again;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;i think, Any sukanaya function.

jalal as a king or son in law invited, jodha will also go. then next track, some romantic or nok-zhonk, type.


this time hurting of jalal both will realise, imp, of eachother.















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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: skanda12

That was beautiful Radhika ... it was a really wonderful read. I totally agree with you that when Jodha finally vented, it was a cumulative venting of every single angst that she held inside over ever since she was forced to marry Jalal. She has come a long way since then, but things hidden deep inside the heart always take time to come out even if things on the surface look as if they are past that stage.
Jala had two opportunities to vent ... once when she attempted suicide, and he then let fly every bit of anger he had that she has this ghrina against him ... andthen he vented out recently too. She has just done it twice too ... once at the Kali temple when she talked of the long-standing ire against temple-pillaging barbaric Mughals and now she has vented regarding their relationship.
How much better it is if people did this kind of venting and self-clearing before the relationship hardens than after? Imagine the consequences of such venting happening only after declarations of love? It would have shattered the marriage had it all come out much later, whereas here things have a chance of rebounding back to a healthy state much earlier because the marriage itself has not acquired "its own baggage".
How much better it would be in future, Mansi, if they talk then and there about whatever it is that they like about each other and also what bothers them about the other. Instead of bottling things inside and then venting out. Because when we talk normally, we try to use words that are not hurtful. But when we vent, we tend to go overboard, being overtly critical, deliberately using hurtful language and even negating all that is good in the other.

The reason I wrote that they both need space is because it doesn't help if they have enemies at this stage who try to break them apart, but more importantly, they don't need wellwishers either who try to artificlally glue them back together fast (like Hamida). There should be no pressure to do anything other than the most natural thing, for Nature heals differently than people consciously try to do. When Nature heals people it takes time but its a thorough job.

Well said!
Also the new promo seems to be a good intervention. My hunch is that Jalal will go towards Agra and Jodha may go towards Amer. Midway to Agra Jalal may get attacked when he is alone by his enemies, which may telepathically also alarm Jodha. She may therefore not go on to Amer and she may turn back towards Agra to help rescue Jalal because she senses his danger. What do you think?

Haven't seen the promo. Diksha also mentioned the same. I believe it's this attack that leaves Jalal almost dead as some spoilers had said earlier. I had liked your scenario of both working things out at Amer. But this scenario also seems like a good alternative. It's like shock therapy for Jodha, the way Jodha's near death was a shock therapy for Jalal. 😆 If they had gone to Amer, it might have taken Jalal ages to convince her and he may not have succeeded either. After all, though we keep saying he needs to show his trust in actions, what possible actions can he take in Amer as a guest? Also, all said and done, he is also an emperor and he can't stay away from Agra indefinitely. If he returns to Agra and Jodha stays back in Amer, there may come an insurmountable chasm in their relationship. They would have remained stuck in their rut and may even have engaged in an ego clash, where each may feel the other should bend first.

This way, Jodha is likely to overcome her inner conflicts soon because she doesn't want to lose Jalal. And may return sooner with him to Agra. I just have one niggling doubt. After Jalal faked his death, how easily will Jodha believe in his near fatal accident?

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Originally posted by: ayushimehra

well said, Kshithi, your campersion to ocean, Amazing, Agree your every line.yes, yesterday which jodha said, All, , result of her realtionship, with jalal. when Ocean full of, Lahares, then blasted in the shape of Tide OR Jwarbhatta, that happened on jodha yesterday.

After Tide, ocean realaxe, then we can see Boat, ships, beauty, or ocean has no boundary,

& deepness also no end, so AKDHA realtionship, is also going, where, after Tide, we will see
deep realtionship, which will occer herself, LOVE, TRUST, UNDERSTANDING, etc etc


coming after sometime.




Wow.. Ayushi.. this is wonderful. 😃

Love
Kshithi
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Diksha what a beautiful take this is!👏
See I noticed one thing. All of us viewers are ourselves taking full stock of the Jodha-Jalal relationship so far and analysing it from the day of their forced marriage till today and then we are adjudging how the venting has helped both Jodha and Jalal. If we ourselves are thus taking stock of all that happened so far between them, that is exactly what must be happening in their minds also. They both must also be thinking of the way they started, what all happened for the positive, what all happened in the negative and where they are now.
There are periods like this in life when something earth-shattering happens and we suddenly are forced to examine the long back-trail of or lives to see what all irritations we carried inside ourselves from various incidents. And then comes the big purge when everything that has built up over time comes out. It is cathartic when the heart finally empties itself of all negativity and then comes the calm after the storm, when life begins anew.
Diksha in this case I also find it very poignant that Jalal saved that widow and said it was completely OK to fall in love a second time and to find love a second time. I was at first thinking why did they show a widow, they could have showed any girl wanting to marry her lover and the society against it, but why show a widow on the threshold of a second marriage?
Then the penny dropped for me that there is some symbolism in this.
See Jodha and Jalal are also, as it were, on the verge of discovering a whole new level in themselves. The love they have felt for each other so far may be equated to the "first love" but after all this suspicion and hiding of the truth and anger and mutual acrimony spilling out of both of them, they are bnow standing at the thereshold of a potential for a new chapter of love that is almost like the "second love". This time they will fall for each other not just because of magnetic attraction that pulls them, but because their hearts and minds have levelled against each other and they will go into love with their eyes open and with the understanding that "love" alone is not enough. It needs to be accompanied by "respect, understanding, slow and measured reactions and words that do not hurt". Isn't this like the "second love" that Jalal was defending for the widow?
I am reminded of something my mother once said that when there is a hurricane, tress that have become very hardened break, but saplings that are pliable get to grow where the old tress once stood! I think this storm in their live s is a good thing for Jodha and Jalal because they were in love with the wrong kind of love that allowed harshness to find a place ... but instead they are now - after the calm following the storm - going to be falling in love all over again in a different and mutually respectful way cherishing every other good quality that love brings and not juts talking of "self-consuming love".
What do you think?


I think that's superb! Mansi, I can go on reading your words over and over again. 👏👏👏

The symbolism of the widow is very revealing and when combined with Jalal's blood filling Jodha's maang, signifies the second coming in their lives.
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just thought, jodha said previous episode, if he respect, her little, he not follow her,
because, in this way, He is increasing her, problems.
so jalal will think, if he go with jodha, for Amer, then she will be more HURT.

so he decided, to go to AGRA, &BM also maybee said, He is also a KING, he should go to AGRA, this problem will be sort out after some time.

Because TIME is also a good healer. (in this case TIME will play, also a big role)

so on the way attack will be happen

IS TM again Help?

is jalal go to Agra, what RUK reaction?

is cv wants to so some long seperation, both will realize, their feelings, &faluts.

is in this way, cv, wants to realize, jodha inner qualites more, to jalal (because, if jodha is in Amer, then jalal will miss more, jodha, (after hurting)

jodha when will listen this news, she will feel also deep pain, &but will not look after jalal

so this gap will realise, what she feels about him. (because after saying or realeasing, her mind will think next, so which feeling will come different )

actually problem is this, they not talked, in this one year, some meaningfully. (so talks
were needed, but lack of talks, blasting happened, cases maybee different.)


so now ques how they met again;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;i think, Any sukanaya function.

jalal as a king or son in law invited, jodha will also go. then next track, some romantic or nok-zhonk, type.


this time hurting of jalal both will realise, imp, of eachother.


I think Ayushi if Jalal is badly hurt, Jodha will not be able to stay in Amer. She will rush to him at once.

Jalal had promised that he would return only with Jodha. So how can he return alone?

Ruq's reaction if he comes back alone? Obviously she will be happy that he has returned without Jodha. MA will also be happy. HB and SB may be disappointed. HB may stop talking with Jalal, holding him responsible for not bringing Jodha back.

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