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@rishbala3018

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Posted: 11 years ago

#101

Awesome analysis as always Mansi 👏

I totally agree with all the points, they need to give eachother time and space to heal!!

As for ur prediction for future episodes i think first option is the best where Jo goes to Amer and Ja follows and they can peacefully solve their issues without pressure from others!! Another reason i think this shud happen is that Jalaal had told Hameeda he wont come back to Agra without Jodha so he cant actually go back anyway so he might as well go to Amer and win her heart with his actions like u said!!
I wud love to c Akdha moments in Amer away from the Agra pagalkhana!! Hope cv's take this route only!!

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nini06

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Posted: 11 years ago

#102

REALLY 👍🏼 you annalysis...!!!
But more than annalysis i 👍🏼 your predictions...!!!
Believe me i was also thinking in same lines...😊

ya, i also don't want them both to b back at agra soo soon..which is according to me a saazish factorry..!!!...n amer scenes have alwayz been romantic...😳😳

Ps. quite a possibility of prediction two plus 1 combined ...that is he may go to agra n then prediction 2 ...wolaaa...!!!
since , they r ustaad from companying from movies...😉 (actually all indian soaps are)...😆😆

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RadhikaS0

@RadhikaS0

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Posted: 11 years ago

#103

Originally posted by: MaddyO

Ayushi 🤗

For you 👏

So wonderfully put. Agree with every word. WOW 👍🏼

Sorry, am very late I know and don't know if anyone will still read this :)

I am happy with the comparison with ocean for 1 and only 1 reason. For a long time, I have been reading on this forum that Jalal is as deep as an ocean and Jodha is very shallow - like a gurgling brook and no depth, she is uni-dimensional and so on.

Just because Jalal speaks out and expresses himself and all his varied emotions and Jodha is more gracious and dignified, and generally speaks only as much as is required and does not betray her emotions, we cannot assume that only Jalal has depth and a complex character and Jodha is "flat". People forget that she was a princess and a queen and in those days, royal ladies were expected to be seen but not heard.

Perhaps yesterday's emotional tsunami from Jodha will convince everyone that she too is like the rolling ocean, full of ebbs and tides, full of undercurrents that are not overtly visible. That just because she is calm doesn't mean she is a marble statue - she also has thoughts, opinions, feelings, views, emotions, perceptions, and above all, a strong sense of self.

This tsunami has been building up inside her since the day she was forced to marry Jalal against her wishes. Though outwardly she acquiesced to her father's wishes, she was inwardly raging that she was considered nothing more than a pawn in a political alliance between her father and Jalal. A lot has been said about the famous period of ghrina and I don't want to repeat that here. But when we see Jodha now, we can understand where that ghrina was coming from. When a strong individual is treated like an item of merchandise, ghrina is but a natural consequence.

In the Tasneem track, Jodha gave a beautiful monologue on the status of women in the country. Only a woman with a strong sense of individuality can even think in such terms about the trade of women across kingdoms with impunity. Unfortunately, Jalal didn't quite understand her need for her own identity and the desire for helping other women gain their sense of self-worth. Yes, he did disallow marriage of underage girls and marriage against the wishes of the bride. But he didn't quite understand the gamut of change Jodha wanted across his sultanat and in their own relationship.

Maddy made a beautiful point that Jodha's first positive statement to Jalal was that she now trusted his judgment and knew that he trusted her. Still Jalal kept missing the signal (just like the audience) that trust and self-respect meant more to Jodha than love. In track after track, especially the Ben track, he continued to ride rough-shod on her feelings and self-respect and humiliated her publicly, interspersed with periods of friendliness and trust. Whether he trusted her or not, however, depended entirely on his own bent of mind and proof of her loyalty. Though he had started regarding her as an intelligent, talented and capable woman, he was still susceptible to insinuations against her character and loyalty.

After one year of constantly proving herself and almost sacrificing her own life, the least Jodha expected from Jalal was belief in her fidelity and a willingness to treat her as an equal partner with respect and trust. The twin assault of being accused of an illicit affair and the one-sided renunciation of their relationship completely devastated her. How could a man who claimed to love her obsessively and who proclaimed that he couldn't possibly live without her, have so little regard for her as an individual? Just because he saw and heard something, he was willing to believe that concocted evidence and not his wife? He was not even willing to inquire thoroughly into the matter before coming to a conclusion? How could Jodha accept that he could marry her at his will and leave her at his will? That he could treat her as he liked and allow others to treat her as they liked without ever thinking how she might feel about it?

Diksha very rightly compared this rejection of Jodha to the dhakka. Just as Jalal couldn't reconcile to rejection by the woman he loved, now Jodha is unable to reconcile to rejection by the man she loves. Just as he took a long time to heal and move ahead, she too now needs time to heal before she can move forward. Hence her decision to not go to Agra at the moment is a very wise one. She has to first heal herself, her sense of self, her self-esteem and her belief in Jalal's faith in her and regard for her before she can live with him again. The time out at Amer is just what she needs.

I am not saying much for Jalal because Jalal can speak for himself and there are many who speak for him. I am deeply distressed by his sense of guilt and remorse, at his willingness to leave his empire to search for her and to pacify her. He is even willing to take help from a relative stranger like Todarmal to search for his wife, which is most uncharacteristic of him. He was the most gracious husband possible when Jodha vented all her angst (just as Jodha was when he was venting to her a few days back). Even now, though he is absolutely dejected that she has refused to come with him, he has not lost his sense of purpose and I know he will move heaven and earth to convince her of his trust and his respect for her. If she doesn't come with him, he will follow her to the ends of the world, till she relents. After all, he is the man who had brought her back from the jaws of death with the power of his love. Jodha needs to also see that though his outward behaviour may have left a lot to be desired, his intentions were never suspect. That she too needs to respect him the way she expects him to respect her.

Mansi, you are right. They both should spend some time alone in Amer where "there is no pressure on them to patch up or break up", so that they are both able to heal their negative emotions. They both need to introspect and see where they went wrong and how they can take their relationship forward. Last year, Jodha had gone forcibly with Jalal from Amer to Agra. But this year, she will go willingly, on her own terms. And this time, Jalal will take her, not as a prized possession, but as an equal partner and lifelong companion.

It doesn't matter where they consummate. What is important is that this consummation is not just physical but more about their emotional and soul-level union.

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RadhikaS0

@RadhikaS0

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Posted: 11 years ago

#104

Originally posted by: MaddyO
Mansi what super ME, I can watch it again and again. Zee cut the ME in half! 😕 So mean of them and so need to watch full episode again.

Jalal and Jodha's both outbursts - his brutal one shredding Jodha with his words and Jodha's emotional hurt to the core painful one were not really about the Sujamal track. They were culmination of all that was left unsaid all this time. All the hurts which were piling up for both of them.

Jalal's slowly changed feelings for Jodha and then "the dhakka".
Jalal realized somewhere that the dhakka hurt more than his pride. The festering hurt was because he realized he had started loving Jodha. So her rejection of him meant to him that she did not love him back. The entire Ben track was about Jalal festering that hurt inside. He did not want to let on to himself also that the hurt was deeper due to his love for her.

When Jodha drank poison and he almost lost her, his love came out pouring from him, but only before God.

Jodha's act made him hope again that maybe she had started to have feelings for him. Baba C prophecy was for both of them - a signal that things will now be great for them.

The Sujamal track made Jalal so scared that whatever he was hoping for, that Jodha is starting to love him, what if he is wrong? He was in agony wondering if again his love is going to be rejected. So it was his deep anguish at what he mistakenly thought is once again a rejection of his love from Jodha. He was so afraid to approach her again fearing rejection and he thought his worst fears had come true.

Whatever poured out of his mouth that night was what all he had inside from the night of dhakka. Jalal is so much in love and like he said he does not know how to express it. I don't think Jalal has ever felt true love from anybody in his life. The unconditional love which was only for Jalal not for Shehenshah.

MA & BK wanted to turn him into what they wanted so that they can continue to control him. HB was not there when he needed. Rukayya is not capable of loving Jalal more than she loves herself, her Audha, her being a BEK, her being Shehenshah's BEK matters more to her than just Jalal's wife.

If for some reason Jalal were to lose his kingdom Rukayya would be miserably unhappy, Jodha might feel bad for his sake but her feelings for him would not change a bit.

So Jalal was so desperate to have the one relationship in his life that can give him EVERYTHING AND MORE he never had. Unconditional, deep total love for him as a man, irrespective of who he is.

Just the thought that all this is never coming to him - made him go berserk. Jalal never has any control on his emotions when it comes to Jodha. He displayed hurt that anger pain in the worst possible way, wanting to shred Jodha with his words for all the bitterness that was inside him. He loves Jodha desperately and possibility she did not love him back, made him just lose it all.

All that poured out was the worst he can think of her, the worst fears in his mind that all came out in the worst possible way.

Jodha
Starting from her marriage with Jalal, she has faced the most turbulent extremes filled life in Agra. Jodha's hatred for Jalal, her starting to realize that now she has started to like him, started to notice he is different than her worst imagination - made her start to have feelings for him.

No matter what Jodha has done for everybody else, or her love for HB, SB and Rahim - it is nothing compared to the love Jalal ignited in her. For Jalal is was like bursting of feeling inside, for Jodha it was like a lamp that is slowly getting brighter.

All the hurt that was inside her after "the dhakka" was as real. After Jalal started his insults and humiliations - she still took them cos somewhere at back of her mind was the acknowledgment in her that her rejection had hurt him deeply. She started to feel bad for his pain and the threat to his life by Ben and her just shoving everything away but for Jalal and his safety was unacknowledged unrealized love for Jalal, that even Jodha was not aware fully.

After the vishpaan she was so happy at Jalal's changed behavior she just shoved aside all her hurts and insults and wanted to have a fresh start with him. This time with slow realization that she has maybe started to love him. Jodha is the kind of person who takes longer time she needs to analyze her feelings but once she acknowledges them there is no going back. So her every hesitation was about what if I am wrong?

Baba C prophecy made Jodha feel she is going to finally have a life with Jalal - that will include his love, his respect and his trust in her.

For Jodha trust has to come first before love, and she felt she has finally wiped the dhakka hurt from him, and by her action shown him that he can now trust her fully.

So when both of them starting to truly believe in love - the Sujamal track shocked them.

Jalal's outburst where he said every worst possible thing she cannot even imagine he could even feel for her in the deepest recess of his mind - he said it out loud to her. Her most selfless act for him to save his life and her almost giving up her own, he turned into an act of revenge from her. It was for Jodha like Jalal does not even have an iota of inkling of what kind of person she is.

Jodha felt her very best is never going to be enough for Jalal, he will never trust her fully, he will never accord her the respect without reservation that she has to have just for being his wife, but that she has earned many times over.

What all Jalal said to her that night was also for Jodha crushing up of all hopes of a different future with Jalal. Her worst fears came true when he said all of those things.

It was not he said it for Sujamal MU - it was that he thought Jodha perfectly capable of doing all this that broke her to the core.

Jalal and Jodha both know they love each other.

Jalal who has never had an ideal relationship did not understand only love will never be enough - he has to give her trust and respect.

Jodha who has had wonderful ideal loving relationships her life KNOWS only love is not enough. She has to show Jalal that she needs his respect and trust also.

After Jalal faked his death to trick her, all of Jodha's pent up hurts just came out in the best way. When she said to him when you wish you smile when you wish you wound me - she was talking about their entire relationship where he one min put her on pedestal and one min made her feel the worst she has ever felt. For Jodha it has been like just wanting to breathe steadily in this roller coaster ride.

Both of them after having this outburst will now need to think what they want from themselves, from each other and for themselves.

What an epic love story.
I love both Jodha and Jalal so much.

Loved it, Medha. Just loved it. You have really expressed my thoughts too about both of them. 👏

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RadhikaS0

@RadhikaS0

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Posted: 11 years ago

#105

Originally posted by: MaddyO
I do not want Jalal and Jodha to be apart. Their problems have always been about communication. When Jalal is hurt he talks in riddles and Jodha is one for hiding her feelings from HIM.

So staying apart even though might be good for them to understand what they did wrong will not help in bettering communication.

I think separation track is needed more for understanding love they have for each other, what the absence of other in their life means to them. Both of them know they love the other and also the other person knows it.

Jalal said when he was pretending that I know you love me. Jodha knows Jalal loves her.

So the issue is about trust. How can separation help them in building up trust? For that they need to air the grievances.

They both understand they hurt deep - themselves and the other due to love. The hurt occurred not due to love but due to lack of real trust.

Jaya made brilliant point that for Jalal to trust blindly will be difficult as he has faced betrayals all his life. But Jaya Jalal trusts MA blindly! Jalal trusts Rukayya totally. Jodha has SEEN this trust and faith he has in them. So why should she not expect that same trust from him now? When she has shown him in innurable ways that he SHOULD trust her.

I can understand if she feels she has not given him reason to love her, when she has not reciprocated it. How can she not expect him to trust her?

They both need to just talk things out.

Actually Maddy, now that Jalal knows for sure that Jo loves him, he will trust her fully. Earlier it was not an issue of trust for him. It was his anger and despair that she was not loving him back the way he was. This despair came out the night he vented on her. He couldn't accept that she was loving another man when he (Jalal) was dying for her love. Now that both know for sure that they love each other and the other loves them back, they have won half the battle. Now they need to heal all the negative emotions they had suppressed in their hearts for so long and let in light and positivity. Actually nothing is missing from their relationship. Everything was always there. It's just that they were blind to it. They have just now acknowledged love. Slowly they will acknowledge trust and respect too. Like Salim Chisti said, the dark clouds are passing and soon their life together will be filled with the light of true love.

Jaya is right how would Jalal know she was meeting her brother? I think for Jodha it was not that Jalal accused her of having feelings for the other man to have EMA but rather he thought her capable of it! Her saying she would commit jauhar rather than let any man touch her - meant for her it should be obvious to him that she was meeting some relative.

Here is what I would love to see - Bharmal can tell Jodha that Jalal has promised Mainavati he will find her. Mainavati had told Jodha she should not go to Amer alone. Bharmal should say he wants Jalal to come with them to take Jodha to Amer. He should do this in the hope that they can sort out their issues by discussing them and the more time they spend with each other the better.

Even Jodha cannot refute Jalal coming along to take her back to Amer.
Bharmal can point out even for Jalal's safety it is better he is with them and has protection of Bharmal's army. He blew his cover in Mathura.

Jodha who loves Jalal so much should see the merit of this. Jalal can later go back to Agra with all the protection Bharmal's army can provide him.

What about Jalal's vachan to both MV and HB that he will not return to Agra till Jodha is with him. Jalal's vachan is also very important to him. Also he is still tedha Jalal and when he knows Jodha loves him why will he meekly stand aside and let her walk out? SB told him it is only Jalal who can bring Jodha back.

He didn't let death take her away from him. Surely he will not let a living, breathing Jodha just walk away? 😆

Jalal also should know he had time to think about the burstout and repent, Jodha has NOT seen his repentance. Jalal has talked about his regret at his action with HB, SB, Rukayya and also Bharmal and Mainavati.

Jodha has NOT. She was all alone and she never got a chance to vent out her feelings. So all that came out on Jalal. This was the first time she allowed herself to bring out all the hurt and pain at his words. All this time in Mathura she was alone, she had only herself to depend on and she knew she cannot afford to break, so she did not want to think. Meeting her loved ones, meeting Jalal and taking it all out will now cleanse her of the pent up hurt, Jalal had time to talk it out. Jodha can do so now.

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diksha

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Posted: 11 years ago

#106

hi friends,

sorry, i m very late with my take... but was busy full day... so will post my take in some time..

anyway abt promo i think... they r going bit filmy style... Jallu will be badly hurt, and Jo will be blamed for his condition... but then he will gain consciousness only when she will call him , same way he did when she was dying after Ben track...

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ayushimehra

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Posted: 11 years ago

#107

Originally posted by: sweet_diksha
hi friends,

sorry, i m very late with my take... but was busy full day... so will post my take in some time..

anyway abt promo i think... they r going bit filmy style... Jallu will be badly hurt, and Jo will be blamed for his condition... but then he will gain consciousness only when she will call him , same way he did when she was dying after Ben track...

Maybee you right Diksha.But jalal pic's in Amer.

is it means, after hurting, he is going Amer. because i not see promo.

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diksha

@sweet_diksha

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Posted: 11 years ago

#108

wonderful, awesome, amazing... just superb take , Mansi... very much balanced and as usual very positive...👏

there was every chance of negativity or bashing any character...but i knew u won't do it... and as usual u did just what i thought, a very balanced analysis of both Jodha - Jalal characters and the situation they r in... and so with agreement to ur every word, here is my take...

finally Jo burst out, that was long due and necessary else keeping every pain in her heart, and loving and caring for him silently would have killed her in few days... and killed her, i mean it... a natural death coz just in few days, her detachment for life would have caused her giving up her willpower to stay alive... and when one lose his willpower, death comes very naturally and silently...

so now this outburst of her , will atleast keep her alive, coz though she has turned down his apology, her heart must have registered his pain... and now his pain will keep her alive to bear it in her heart though she may be away from him for a while... not necessarily there should be any contact btw them, eye-contact or speech or any type of contact, still the news u get from anywhere makes u feel the emotions of other person, his desires, his sorrows and happiness... this is what will happen btw these two...

both Jodha and Jalal r standing at the point where physically they may be poles apart but there hearts do recognize each other's pains... both know that over the time they have wronged each other...both know at certain times they were right in their own places... still at times they blame each other , knowing very well that other one is not completely guilty, still they hurt each other... reason???? simple... somewhere deep inside there heart they know this is the only person who can take out every single pain , every hurt, every hatred in his/her heart , and help them heal the wound with his/her love...

in Ben track, Jo took every blame, insult, pain, Jalal gave him, when she was completely innocent... even later she forgave him without any expectation... so now when there was a mistake of her own of hiding the truth from him , still she is putting all blame on him... is it justified? i ll say yes, it is... coz this time, though her words blame him for this particular MU btw them, still the pain behind that hurt is for all those insults she bore without any mistake of hers, her anger is due to the helplessness come to her due to her love for him, her frustration out of the fear she feels for another MU next time and one more questionmark on her dignity , on her loyalty and mostly on her love...

Jodha and Jalal... their journey from hatred to love... how much it has changed them... for the world , this love will always make them unite , they will always stand together , becoming eachother's strength , support , but for just the two of them, this same love is proving to be their weakness..

both r broken... both their hearts r bleeding for other's pain... and though they may get their family's support and love and care, still the only thing that can heel their wounds is eachother's love, trust and support... and till they don't get it, their hearts will keep burning with those pains , though they might put brave fronts in front of the world...

Fear... fear of rejection...fear of losing the most precious thing in their life that is eachother's love...only this same fear , i wish ,should become their strength... after that Ben episode, Jalal was broken... had Jo refused to forgive him then, he would have broken completely... but her silent support and strength and her unspoken love that time helped him overcome his guilt then... now Jo is at same point where she needs his strength and support... and his love... coz this time her heart is shattered... reason... her changed feelings... her love for him... his accusations have made her lose her confidence... confidence abt everything... her love, their relationship, their trust...and till the time she doesn't get her confidence back, she won't be able to relate to his feelings for her... and only Jalal can help her in getting back her lost confidence... not by mere words of love and respect but only by his actions...

and actions doesn't mean, following her everywhere and pleading for forgiveness... he has to prove his respect to the values of her life... for that he doesn't need to keep telling her how much he respects her ppl, or herself, or her feelings or her loyalty... but taking care of the things / of ppl she likes, or values, will make her open her heart for him again... and so Jalal has to be very strong... coz this time his strength needs to work for both of them... for him as an emperor and for Jo as her husband...

and i m sure Jalal will understand this... he will become her piller of strength and support by his own actions, and his love and trust will help Jo get back her confidence very soon...

anyway... new precap and promo... BM will take both Jo and Jalal to Amer...but Jo may refuse to go back with him... and so Ameries will request Jalal to go back to agra for alongwith Jo's husband , he is also a shehenshah and that duty also should be taken care of... So Jalal may leave for Agra , promising to come again after some time to take Jo back to agra... while going back, Mali, SD and AK will attack him and Jalal will be hurt badly...may be Sujamal will save him in time and the news will reach to Jo and she will rush to him...

and so if as per spoilers , they r to reunite by end of april, then this whole track need to end this week only... so let's hope for the best...

Edited by sweet_diksha - 11 years ago

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Mansi

@skanda12

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Posted: 11 years ago

#109

Originally posted by: rishbala3018
Awesome analysis as always Mansi 👏

I totally agree with all the points, they need to give eachother time and space to heal!!

As for ur prediction for future episodes i think first option is the best where Jo goes to Amer and Ja follows and they can peacefully solve their issues without pressure from others!! Another reason i think this shud happen is that Jalaal had told Hameeda he wont come back to Agra without Jodha so he cant actually go back anyway so he might as well go to Amer and win her heart with his actions like u said!!
I wud love to c Akdha moments in Amer away from the Agra pagalkhana!! Hope cv's take this route only!!

In the new promo it looks like Jalal goes back to Agra and Jodha to Amer. I think on the way Jalal gets attacked and maybe Jodha gets a premonition and turns back halfway to Amer to go back to Jalal's rescue?

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Mansi

@skanda12

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Posted: 11 years ago

#110

Originally posted by: nini06
REALLY 👍🏼 you annalysis...!!!
But more than annalysis i 👍🏼 your predictions...!!!
Believe me i was also thinking in same lines...😊
ya, i also don't want them both to b back at agra soo soon..which is according to me a saazish factorry..!!!...n amer scenes have alwayz been romantic...😳😳

Ps. quite a possibility of prediction two plus 1 combined ...that is he may go to agra n then prediction 2 ...wolaaa...!!!
since , they r ustaad from companying from movies...😉 (actually all indian soaps are)...😆😆

Did you see the new promo? What do you think?