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Posted: 11 years ago
#81

Originally posted by: Cleo12345

I always love your psychoanalysis on Jalal...you understand Jalal's brain like no one does( way better than Rukaiya😆 ) ...Remember i crowned you a Jalal expert couple of weeks back.

Human brain is so complicated. I will shed some light on one more aspect of what is going inside Jalal's head.

The kind of reaction Jodha brings out of Jalal is unique. He is used to being around people who are flawed and seems to be comfortable with he fact his relationships with them is nowhere close to perfect . I am sometimes surprised that he has very little expectations from people close to him.
Rukaiya is a 'friend' but is never around when he is in the dumps. He knows it and never seems to complain about it.
Salima a loyal friend and a guide...nothing more.
Hamida bano is a mother who was not around when he needed her the most but he seems to have forgiven her for that.
BB is an emotionally weak sister who can never be someone he can count on.
Badi Ammi ...he is not stupid...he never consults her over certain matters . He loves and trusts her but is not completely oblivious to her bias towards certain people.
Adham khan is a good for nothing foster brother who is a good fighting machine...nothing more.


But that is not the case with Jodha. He secretly wants a perfect relationship with her. She brings out the best and the worst in him. Most of us are surprised at his current state of mind and behavior.
He is clearly falling apart...why? Because she is not confiding in him? However, a few things are very clear...
1 . He knows that if she is hiding something but believes that there has be a very good reason for that...that is why the repeated concern for her safety.
2. He is sure that she is not back stabbing him or cheating on him. Someone else touching her bothers him but not to the extent of pulling out his sword right away and kill the man and/ or jodha.
3. Deep down he believes that she is not telling him the facts because she is afraid of him and his reaction. His jungle ka Sher is always alone because people are scared of him waala dialogue gives us the answer.
3. Despite badi ammi's best efforts, I think he still strongly suspects that the person she is meeting is most likely Sujamal.
4. He knows how she values relationships and breaks all rules to do the right thing...he couldn't stop her from going to BB when she was nazarband or even SD, the man she had every reason to hate, when there was a threat to Jalal's life
5. Deep down he knows that she is very attached to her brother and strongly believes that that her brother is not guilty of the two major crimes he was accused of ( Peeth ke peeche waar and attempt on Jalal's life... Attacking another army for land was something common in hose days...Haapened a lot in Rajputana and Jalal himself was doing the same thing... ).
6. The DEK scene, he did not question Aziza's love for Mazhar. Nor did he say anything to suggest that she was having an affair...To him, her crime was that she hid facts from Mazhar. That is why he did not punish her. She lost the man she loves ( though he said the opposite )...and that's her biggest punishment.

Now for someone who doesn't have a lot a expectations from his other loved ones ( they can be accused of bigger crimes), why is he so resless and almost falling apart for Jodha hiding something from him. For those familiar with the cause and effect theory in psychology will understand that the effect( he looks like a zombie) is disproportionate to the cause( she hid a fact and probably for a good reason). ...a normal reaction would be confront her and punish her . We are all wondering why he is not confronting her( will finally happen tomorrow but is delayed by a week) ...of course the fear that she'll MU him. But this and the extreme disappointment stem from another reason as well...subconsciously he has accepted her as his soulmate. For those of us who have been in love understand what a beautiful feeling it is to realize that you have found your soulmate. In the initial stages of this realization, there is an expectation that, this will be a perfect relationship...no fights, lies or hurt...complete trust and transparency...life gradually teaches you that this is not always the case. Soulmates fight too. But Jalal is still in that initial delicate stage when the smallest blow can completely shatter that beautiful feeling . That is what is happening with Jalal...he feels lost and the sense of loss is over the fact that he was wrong ...his relationship with Jodha is not perfect ...therefore, he does not have a soulmate...and will probably never will . That is earth shattering for him.




Superb points !Nice observation. Loved the last part.
Edited by ashpat - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
#82

Originally posted by: skanda12

Please call me Mansi! And welcome to this thread ... thanks for reading my posts and I hope you will now start contributing your ideas also!😃



Hello mansi...😊😊 thanks a ton!! to you and this forum for welcoming with 🤗 ..and i said, i <3 reading your analysis...soo thank you for such beautiful analysis👍🏼, yup i do have started contributing little bit... you may check this link
http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3960656


Edited by nini06 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Guys, Sorry I am not saying much about Jodha & Jalal here as you people have covered every option possible but for sure Jalal will not say he will arrange to send Jodha to Amer, he will just tell or or order her that if she can't open up then it would be better she packs her baggage and left for Amer. If he had to send her, tehre is no need to wait till next day to arraneg her trip as she will not be going on a jolly trip to visit her mother, so that she nned to pack tegh gifts for her entire family. Now it is like she is being banished from Agra, so he would have just called ManSingh or Mirza and asked them to drop Jodha to Amer. So all i can say is that, though he says her to leave for MAer, he doesn't mean it practically and would not even think that she would have left already even without a parting word. So let us wait for Rahim to narate the story back to Jalal where in Jodha would have talked about how the Begum is trying hard to save Shehenshah from the attack from his nearones, how she is upset for keeing secrets from Shehenshah as he doesn't believe in her doubts unless there is a clear proof etc.
somehow I feel Sujamal will be put in service of Bakshi and not somewhere away from the real culprit. If he is posted with some other Begum or even Ruqu retains Suja's service, how will he be able to wander around the Harem in search of the culprit. We have already seen that BB is facing difficulty without a Bhandhi and HB has asked Ruqu to hire soem for BB soon as BB, the pregnant lady should not do physical work. So once he is in Hwarem, he will be all ears and eyes to look for any suspecious person in the palace and accidentally comes across Sharif (he might hide himself to avoid face to face meeting with Sharif fearing him to recognize him. So while in hideout, he will hear Sharif talking to his henchman about his plot to Kill Jalal even before Adham's entry to Agra. Yet again Sujamal might not recognize the culprit as he had not seen teh face but while coming out of his hideout, he might stumble with Jodha's portrait or witness Sharif leching Jodha's pic. This will give him the clear idea about the criminal and as he is short of time to inform Jodha on this he might just rush to Jalal to alert him but ends up taking teh arrow himself.
Once Sujamal testifies his identity and the story narrated by Rahim will give the clear picture of Jodha's agony to Jalal and he might just rush to meet her and to apologies and by then the bird had fled out of the cage.
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Posted: 11 years ago
#84

Originally posted by: skanda12

Wish I could have your perspective for one day at least so that I can get through this Tuesday episode!😲

Only for one day????? It isn't that bad after all! And I forgot to say one thing! I loved your analysis... specially those last lines
Edited by Reemirocks - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
#85

Originally posted by: skanda12

How true your words are! Beautifully put!👏👏👏👏

these many claps??😲 i am dead😆
Edited by akdha - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
#86

Originally posted by: deejagi

Guys, Sorry I am not saying much about Jodha & Jalal here as you people have covered every option possible but for sure Jalal will not say he will arrange to send Jodha to Amer, he will just tell or or order her that if she can't open up then it would be better she packs her baggage and left for Amer.

Agree with you jaya, he may be talking of sending her back but not actually sending her nor expecting that she would leave without a word!
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f he had to send her, tehre is no need to wait till next day to arraneg her trip as she will not be going on a jolly trip to visit her mother, so that she nned to pack tegh gifts for her entire family. Now it is like she is being banished from Agra, so he would have just called ManSingh or Mirza and asked them to drop Jodha to Amer. So all i can say is that, though he says her to leave for MAer, he doesn't mean it practically and would not even think that she would have left already even without a parting word. So let us wait for Rahim to narate the story back to Jalal where in Jodha would have talked about how the Begum is trying hard to save Shehenshah from the attack from his nearones, how she is upset for keeing secrets from Shehenshah as he doesn't believe in her doubts unless there is a clear proof etc.
Ooh that sounds interesting ... maybe Rahim will tell all to Jalal!👏👏👏👏
somehow I feel Sujamal will be put in service of Bakshi and not somewhere away from the real culprit. If he is posted with some other Begum or even Ruqu retains Suja's service, how will he be able to wander around the Harem in search of the culprit. We have already seen that BB is facing difficulty without a Bhandhi and HB has asked Ruqu to hire soem for BB soon as BB, the pregnant lady should not do physical work. So once he is in Hwarem, he will be all ears and eyes to look for any suspecious person in the palace and accidentally comes across Sharif (he might hide himself to avoid face to face meeting with Sharif fearing him to recognize him. So while in hideout, he will hear Sharif talking to his henchman about his plot to Kill Jalal even before Adham's entry to Agra. Yet again Sujamal might not recognize the culprit as he had not seen teh face but while coming out of his hideout, he might stumble with Jodha's portrait or witness Sharif leching Jodha's pic. This will give him the clear idea about the criminal and as he is short of time to inform Jodha on this he might just rush to Jalal to alert him but ends up taking teh arrow himself.
Jaya this whole paragraph above is brilliant! So Suja will overhear Sharif's plot and also see the painting if he is baandhi to bakshi!👏👏👏👏
Once Sujamal testifies his identity and the story narrated by Rahim will give the clear picture of Jodha's agony to Jalal and he might just rush to meet her and to apologies and by then the bird had fled out of the cage.
Jaya, Maddy and I just had a PM discussion that if Jo stays in the forest for too long it should not hopefully become another Ramayana, and create a need for agni pariksha of her chastity.
My suggestion was that maybe she can be shown staying with some very old banjara couple in their hut in the forest (the man should be so old that he is incapable of izzat looting!) What do you think of this idea?

Edited by skanda12 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Hope sujamal will witness Shariff's lust over Jodha thru her portrait.
Any chance of phir Mohammad coming back as he is drowned in water.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: katana

Hope sujamal will witness Shariff's lust over Jodha thru her portrait.

Any chance of phir Mohammad coming back as he is drowned in water.

As a bhooth?😲
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Posted: 11 years ago
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In all spoilers one thing is weird afrer outburst and telling jodha to leave agra
Jalal ginna let go jodha alone without any guard or security will he ginna miss jodha the very moment she leave
jodha gonna leave without telling anyone so will jalal after outburst reakising he was little harsh and will gi and talk to her

irna confusing hai na
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Reemirocks

I am looking forward to today's episode. I was waiting for this very moment. I can't expect them to progress in their relationship and behaviour without this confrontation. I see this confrontation as a much needed emotional outburst, a passionate one! And a conforntation with such an impetuous passion cannot let the sentiments of both go nowhere, rather would conspire to bring them together, taking its own time.


Sometimes love is not always about holding on to someone, but letting them go. So, be it Jalal's decision to ask Jodha to leave Agra or Jodha's own decision to leave Agra, I don't have any problem with either of them. I will only have problem if they make any one of them apologize to the other. If both are not at fault, then both are not right even. Why should Jalal apologize and not Jodha? Why can't for once they show both of them apologizing to each other?????


About aplogizing part: i have similar views.

I am going to paste what i had pasted in mansi's prediction thread:

EITHER I want BOTH of them to apologize each other for unintentionally causing each other pain and hurt or NEITHER of them apologizing. It could go like this: Jalal saying sorry for telling you to go to Amer but u were not telling me what was the problem. Then, Jodha saying no I should be apologizing to u because I could not tell u due to vachan and u did not know about vachan. Then, at the end, both telling each other, it is both of our fault that neither of us were open with each other and hidden things due to fear of being misunderstood or upsetting other.










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