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Posted: 11 years ago
#41

Originally posted by: divyavm

Dear Shyamala Aunty,

Thank you so much for posting on the 200th episode ... I loved the entire post, particularly your description of the lost emperor.

I now you do not like us blaming the CVs ... But I think they are overdoing showing Jalal's new found trust in Jodha to save people from bashing him for distrusting the Jodha Begum who saved his life. However, I do not understand the point of that if they are going to have him explode this coming week so everyone can criticize him for distrusting Jodha.

And all this mess- when Jalal could easily confront her ... That he does not distrust her ... But cannot see her risk her safety and lie to him. I like simplicity ... And I feel all we would need is one dialogue from him: I do not distrust you ... I know your intentions are not wrong ... However, I just do not understand why you would risk your own safety in the middle of the night to go meet with someone when you know how important your life is to me l.. Why someone who has always told me the truth ... No matter how bitter it is ... Is now afraid to tell me the truth ... This is not the Jodha Begum I know.

Ah well, I am not a CV nor do I know the drama that drives TRPs.

Thanks again for a beautiful post - While as an emperor he is lost, I still cannot help feel bad for Jalal.

Best,

Divya



divi, very good point but all this is to raise our BP and dramatize the situation..now all week was spent on her going out..him seeing her..and then his state of mind..i think the whole scenario was stretched more than it was required just to lay foundation to the lid coming off scene as they could not show it rt away esp his trust in her after the vishpan..how could he have mistrusted a person who almost gave her life for him..but then the shahenshah in him should have taken the action..as going out in the middle of the night and meeting a traitor is against the law..he must have succeeded as a lover and a husband to some extent but he failed big time as an emperor!!!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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divi, very good point but all this is to raise our BP and dramatize the situation..now all week was spent on her going out..him seeing her..and then his state of mind..i think the whole scenario was stretched more than it was required just to lay foundation to the lid coming off scene as they could not show it rt away esp his trust in her after the vishpan..how could he have mistrusted a person who almost gave her life for him..but then the shahenshah in him should have taken the action..as going out in the middle of the night and meeting a traitor is against the law..he must have succeeded as a lover and a husband to some extent but he failed big time as an emperor!!!


But Mandy that is my frustration... I buy that this week they showed him succeed as a lover /husband by trusting her ... But next week when he blows his top they are going to destroy that to. Then Jalal will not be a good lover, husband, or emperor. at least , i wish the CVs would let him succeed as a lover. am I not viewing this right?
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Posted: 11 years ago
#43
You reciprocated my feelings to the T. I will not re-write what I wrote yesterday in adiansar's post, I am cutting and pasting it here.
I don't know what sadistic pleasure does the CV's get after upholding the male protagonist to an unthinkable pedestal and then butchering him down to make the female protagonist superwoman! Maybe the TRP tear-jerkers that work wonders!

Anyway great post as usual! 👍🏼

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Thank you for this post! Finally a sane post where Jodha is not put on the pedestal and worshiped or sympathized. I now have the feeling that Jodha soon will be put at the same position of Kanha and will be declared a devi! Her Halo is glowing and growing bigger and bigger day by day.
So many posts about poor "bechari" Jodha and how much she suffers, humiliated and insulted gets on my nerves. I stopped writing here and after ages I am writing to vent out.

First of all forget about being the Emperor and the conservative mughal dynasty of 16th century even at this day and age I want to know and ask which husband after knowing and witnessing his wife in some one else's arms at middle of night will not question his wife and specially when the wife is hiding and concealing herself to go and meet this person??!! I want this answer! Forget about all the glorious feministic ideas and hail to women power, it sounds all fantastic but in reality all women will be asked questions if this happens. And if that woman is not married then parents will ask questions.

And the other way around as well, a woman has the right to question her husband if she finds him in a compromising position with some one else at middle of the night. So a person's character and integrity is not put to insult if a query is put to know who that stranger was with one's spouse. A spouse has a right to know and ask! Period! And here Jalal is the emperor who is there to set moral, social, ethical standards for his country, masses and family. If the emperor follows something then his masses will follow it too thinking that is an example set for the nation. The emperor allows his queen to have a rendezvous middle of the night then it will be an example for all the couples in his kingdom!!

I am surprised to see this understanding, lenient and calm Jalal even after knowing all this. If this Jalal was what we saw back in August / September he would be asking or screaming at Jodha with his sword at her neck. Here he has learnt from his past mistakes and is being cautious before crossing his limits of temper. But is it always Jalal's onus to be understanding and learning from his past mistakes? Not Jodha's?

I am so furious with the CV's for showing Jalal this way. He can't and doesn't take any decisions without being probed by Jodha. Imagine he was imprisoned for not paying pilgrimage tax and what did he do after returning back? Nothing, absolutely nothing!!! I am sure Jodha has to tell him in future that 'teerth kar dena dandaniya aparadh hai' and only after that he will get up from the stupor to pass a law against it.

Jodha has to tell him in future to hire Tansen and Todermal as his navratnas and only then he will do so. He will realize then that they are good men and he needs their company to be the greatest emperor of all times.

Jodha has to instigate him to ban 'sati' and only then he will notice and realize that such a heinous act should be prohibited at all cost!

Jodha has to tell him that he should invent a religion that will incorporate all the great aspects of hinduism, islam, christianity and persian culture and then he will have his own 'din-i-ilahi'.

I am sure in trade and commerce too later Jodha will train him and he will then expand his wisdom in that arena!

He didn't know what was going on in his harem and kingdom, slave culture was very much prevalent and how they were treated unless and until Jodha brought him in to illumination. He didn't know his masses needed a well and there is a shortage of water in his kingdom unless and until Jodha showed it to him.

I don't know what next! Jodha will also train him in war techniques? In taking political decisions? Maybe also a lecture in 'birds and bees' to carry on the lineage of mughal dynasty?! And all he will say is "Jodha begum aap ka yeh hunar bhi kamaal ka hai! Aap wajah farmati hai!"

CV's please spare us, show him as a MAN and show him as the greatest emperor that he was who knew what to do and when to do and did all that was necessary to become the famous ruler of Indian history. Jodha was a big influence on him - yes, she was his inspiration - yes, she was his love - yes, his motivation - yes, his guide - yes, his friend - yes but please give him some merit and credit as well CV's. All you are doing here is showing Jalal as a lost emperor who doesn't have any clue on anything unless and until he is being told or shown every thing by Jodha. All he does is talk to Atgah Khan, MA, Ruq or laze around, if he is not going back and forth to Jodha begum's hojra.

I am sick and tired of this holier than thou attitude of Balaji heroines who can never be wrong and even if they do wrong it is for the good of others. Jodha knows she is doing wrong but her innumerable tears to Kanha complaining of her 'asahai paristhiti' and her guilt dialogues to Moti is all that is required for all the sympathies to be out for her. If she wanted she could have told Sujamal she will not lie or hide anything from Jalal but she did not. Sujamal didn't force her into a promise, he requested her not to tell Jalal. She is intelligent enough to realize what is right and wrong and what will take to keep her marriage secured.

And now after Jodha will be questioned and banished or rather self-exiled then it will be her family and brother who will save Jalal yet another time by exposing Sharif. Whatever good happens to Jalal it will always have to be because of Jodha or some one related to her. Jalal ka khud ka toh koi wajood hi nahi hai! He is there only to roam in and around Jodha's room and apologize to Jodha for all his mistakes and wrong doings.

Jalal has no clue what is going on in his palace and kingdoms and neither does his minister Atgah Khan has any clue nor does his so-called 'jasoos' has any clues of what is going on! The omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent villains knows everything even before the emperor does or his men does and the emperor is nothing but a puppet in the villain's hands. So worthless are his men and army and guards that a prisoner can escape from his prison. any body can come and go from his harem (even men like Tejwant who came to see Shivani) without being noticed, his begum can leave and go any time of the night unless some one like MA brings it to his notice! What 'faltoo' army and men he had!

And CV's what nonsensical logic of Jodha to leave harem responsibilities! If I were any one of the begums I would have given her a piece of my mind. Why did she pick it up in the firs place? Only to do one reform and then leave it in the lurch? What was she busy on? She was going to meet Sujamal in the night then what stopped her from doing the work in the day time? Utter nonsense!

CV's not only are you ruining Jalal's image but you have spoiled Jodha's image as well by making her super human! I can't even relate to her any more.

But I will say this I am grateful for toning her down and making her gentle towards Jalal of late. Kuch toh raham kiya hum sab par!

And last but not the least, where is that passion, the flirting and teasing? Now the emperor is too goody goody, he doesn't look at her with that passion, that cunning look, that sly smile, that desire anymore, he is too scared to do anything! I want Ajmer trip Jalal back, after ages I saw that cunning sly look only once when after Jodha got better after Benazir was killed and when Jalal told her only one Rajvanshi is capable of stinging him and looked up at her with that naughty look. I want that emperor back! I want that look of Jalal of Ajmer during 'ooh aah' scene, the hand massage scene, when Jodha leaves all puzzled not understanding why Jalal agreed to give the Ratanpur qila to Dhawalgarh king and slowly Jalal looks at her retreating back and slowly gives a all-knowing cunning smile, the aarti scene look...I want that Jalal back!

Wonderful post! 👏 Thank you for letting me vent up my pent up frustrations!

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Posted: 11 years ago
#44

Originally posted by: sashashyam

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I love to read different takes on Jodha Jalaal so i enjoyed 😃
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Posted: 11 years ago
#45
Welcome back and as usual its a treat to read you.
Although I would have preferred something light-hearted coz. for the past few days the forum is teeming with heavy -hearted posts of pro-Jo or Ja variety. I have just realised that until these 2 come on same side and become a team, the posts will either favour Jo or Ja.
And that day is too far... The debates are enjoyable but it gets tiring and emotionally exhausting. ...
I for one have been absolutely flabbergasted with Jalal for not marching in on the bro-sis duo and catching them red-handed and lecturing them both endlessly on propriety..? What stopped him? And because I am generally very pro-Jo, people assumed I am being unkind to Jalal. Reading your very similar take, I am happy to find company. He cannot let a besotted lover take over the king!
But I found the scene where Jo approached Jalal and he asked her to stand very offensive. Even though he later said its a joke...we all know it wasn't fun.
I do hope Jo stops taking advices from Moti. 👎🏼 It seems very unqueenly..And I am happy that jo quit the harem warden post. For once I liked her complacent answer to Salima Begum"Yes you are right. That work is not for me. (meaning: I am made for better and bigger things)"
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Posted: 11 years ago
#46

Originally posted by: divyavm


But Mandy that is my frustration... I buy that this week they showed him succeed as a lover /husband by trusting her ... But next week when he blows his top they are going to destroy that to. Then Jalal will not be a good lover, husband, or emperor. at least , i wish the CVs would let him succeed as a lover. am I not viewing this right?



i agree divi at least cvz should have made one of them win..for me i would have been far happy if the emperor would have won because a true leader is the one that thinks rationally and applies his force when needed..never ever should he be taken over by sentiments and emotions..he should follow the law and give justice accordingly if he wants to set a good example of fair and just ruler..he cannot be great unless he proves to be one!..he cannot be watching a queen breaking all laws and sneaking in the middle of the night meeting a traitor..i will not respect such an emperor who is spineless and scared of facing the truth!
Edited by mandyg - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
#47
Auntie, I agree, the emperor has lost it. This woman has driven him crazy and this when she is a clear flowing brook as you stated. How would it have been if she did have those treacherous eddies and complexity - what mess we would have been in then!

Jalal just does not understand Jodha because if he did then he would have known that she would not have suspected him of doubting her innocence - she would have actually have felt guilty and would have been continually asking him to forgive her for doing such a thing. She knows she should not be sneaking out of the palace at night like a teenager. I almost forgot about that moonlit boat ride with Suryabhan! Look at how Bharmal had reacted to that - Jalal should learn a thing or two from his father-in-law.

I wrote about this on your previous thread - you have probably not read it but I absolutely loved these lines:
The abject helplessness in his face as Mahaam was pushing him, inch by subtle, camouflaged inch - with endless repetitions that Begum Jodha could do no wrong as she was paaksaaf, nek neeyat - into suspecting that very Jodha. The desperation with which he was resisting it, again inch by inch.
I felt so bad for Jalal - how he is used by all his near and dear ones!

And no words for Moti - she should be thrown back into the dasi training school 😆. Did she never learn that she should not speak until spoken to and that her gaze should always be downcast when she is in front of the emperor? And here she stands as bold as brass in front of him!

And lastly, I actually let out a laugh when I read this:
During that scene, I was amusing myself by imagining Sujamal tumbling out of the tree right on top of Abul Mali, like Alibaba's unfortunate neighbour. Alas, no such thing happened!😉
🤣 Auntie, how do you think of such stuff - a natural jokester you are! 😆

Edited by Jaz713 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
#48
Aunty, I am so happy that you posted after a long time. I love reading your intelligent, well-written posts with some humorous parts regardless if I agree or disagree with few parts.
If I get time later I will come to edit post. I have a big exam on tuesday so I have to study for it.

Take care Aunty!



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Posted: 11 years ago
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Dear Aunty,

I was in the mood for being funny. Because I am really so so annoyed with this Jalal. I would love to wrangle his neck...so here is my little piece on your writing, which as usual is fantabulicious!!

How shall I compare thee (thee here referring to your writing)to a Ekta's serial?

Thou art more logic and more sensible

Sharp words dost line the pages on the dear Lord

Rightly deserved for the folly of his unleashed heart

For the brave Lord hath lostest not only his bles'd heart

But the faculties of his imperial mind

Tears do not become a man

Prithee, man up! Nought be gained by thy wondering aloud

Ever thou more astute in thy painting of the fair maiden

Caught in her pitiful illogics and frightful antics

Wherefore are her instinct and God blesseth grace?

She doth not understand her Lord and Masters pain?

Verily his Lord royal brain hath gone sojourn

Yet...

Fie! My fair lady thou falleth from grace

How shall I compare thee?

Thou are more knowing and infinitely delight

Hie thee hither with thy balen' and something hard

Hit the lord

Whack the Maiden

Spare us all

Spare us all.

-Cheers-

AJ

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Wonderful post Aunty and thanks for the PM.😊 Hope you are recovering well😊 Maybe I am late for the day, but still my heartfelt condolences for losing someone close
As for Jalal and why he didn't stop Jodha from entering the hut when he saw her with a stranger, as for why Jodha moves out to meet Sujamal in all her finery (when she can lend a dress from Moti and keep her jewellery aside), the least said the better. The CVs sometimes show some idiotic things that anyone sitting at home can point out. In fact finding logic or making sense in such things/circumstances is only a waste of time I feel.
As for your analysis on Jodha, I hold a slightly different view as always. In this track particularly my heart goes out to both Jalal and Jodha and not just one of them. But I will leave it here and not elaborate. Making your own analysis, putting your POV, the dissecting thereafter is one of the reasons why nowadays I don't tend to comment in a lot of analytic threads (In fact I have stopped reading also). It causes a lot of tension, unpleasantness and spoils mood thereafter. Plus taking sides is another thing that has pissed me off completely and it also robs of the enjoyment of watching JA. Hope you understand.😊 That is why I am watching JA as is and primarily because of the acting skills of the leads - Rajat and Paridhi, the wonderful supporting cast - MA, AK, Shareef, Salima and company and beautiful onscreen chemistry that Parijat share.😊
Edited by Pals2411 - 11 years ago

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