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Posted: 11 years ago
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WOW! Mansi amazing analysis 👏 👏
U said it all. There is nothing left for me to say. U described jalal's emotions so beautifully.
The last two epis were really confusing about me. I don't know what to say about them. Jalal is right in his position, Jo is also right and so is Sujamal. Everyone is right Just the situation is wrong
Jalal is not doubting her he is just in pain cause she is not sharing her secrets with him. That she still does not trust her.him as he trust her. He should follow HB's advice and keep patience. But u r right it easier said than done. I feel he should burst out. Cause I feel in any kind of relationship when u r angry and hurt its better to burst out than be silent and keep the anger inside U.This "silent mode" really harms the relationship.
I hated Jalal insulting Jo publicly during Ben track. In precap Jalal is back to insulting Jo but doing it privately. But I don't have any problem with it. Cause he is just showing his anger to her. He is trying to show her that he is hurt. I think the burst out is tomorrow. In the precap in that drunken state he will burst out.
I want Jo to leave harem. But didn't like the way she did it. Jalal and other begums r right she just can't leave it like that. The other begums r scared that Rukku will make their life hell now. And I don't want Rukku taunting Jo on this matter.
I really like the HB-Jalal scene. That's the deference between real mother and so called mother. Ma akhir ma hi hoti hai. HB understand Jalal so well. MA saved Jalal's life bought him up and in return took so many thinks from her in her greed for power. She took away Jalal's all happiness. And here HB gave him life always supports him, always want to see him happy, always prays for him but never want anything in return.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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beautiful post Mansi, writing from my tab, so just few lines today... few of my points, Maddy will add later , as i have requested her...

Friends, let me bypass the full first six minutes of the episode yesterday where Maham was taunting Jodha about her nightly sojourns, and deriving immense satisfaction at seeing a dejected Jalal following her. Let's also leave aside the self-congratulatory stuff that Maham was saying to herself for driving a wedge between Jalal and Jodha.

Let's get straight to the point about how Jalal is feeling. For the whole episode yesterday spoke to me of Jalal's feelings.

Without blaming Jodha for the cause of it, I feel deeply for Jalal's pain after seeing yesterday's episode. I feel his pain like I feel my own pain. Yesterday I wrote a lot about why I will not blame Jodha for keeping her secrets and vachans, so I won't focus so much on Jodha today. But what exactly ails Jalal? What is his angst really that was so palpable in almost every scene of yesterday's episode?

Part of the problem that Jalal seemed to face was not knowing exactly what was the pain he felt. The episode itself took Jalal on a journey through the different aspects of his pain, meeting different people who tried to help him by throwing light for him on his real issue with Jodha.

- Was it the fact that Jodha was going out every night to meet a stranger whom he didn't recognise?

No it wasn't really ... he trusted her to do everything for a good reason, as he himself said.

- Was it the fact that people like Maham were making him feel small that his wife was betraying him with another man?

No that was not the issue either ... for Maham is clearly becoming less and less important in his life these days, and he has started leaning more on his own mother Hamida.

- Was it extreme concern for Jodha's safety that was eating him up?

Not that too ... for how long would it take for him to send a posse of sipahis behind her without her knowing?

- Was it the fact that despite his trusting Jodha so much, she was not trusting him back?

Even though he liked to use the heavy word of "trustlessness" as his reason for angst against Jodha, I think he knew heart-of-hearts it was not even about her lack of trust in him.

Folks, I think he has realised somewhere deep inside (as we all have also realised) that it's about "loneliness". It's about the way he feels so deeply about her, how ready he is to share with her his whole life - and yet she is keeping that little distance still between them, unwilling to tell him about certain parts of her life. It's the separation, the distance, the aloofness, the unhappy feeling of being rejected from her confidences.

perfect..👍🏼

Jalal will heal if he stops calling the problem "trustlessness" and accepts that he's hurt by her "unreadiness" to share her 100% self with him. I think he will either have to listen to his mother and have patience till Jodha is ready to share. Or else he would have to vent before the pressure-cooker situation inside him erupts spectacularly!
I know that Jodha is also in a tight spot here and is unable to share everything with him, even as she wants to ... because circumstances have put her in a nasty place where the lives of both her brother and her husband are at stake. She needs her brother to live so that with his help and information she can help Jalal to be saved form another assassination plot. But meanwhile Jalal is taking the "loneliness and feeling of rejection" badly. He knows he should exert patience but it's easier said than done. He may need to vent very soon for his own peace of mind.
I think Jodha can help him even if she cannot share her secrets with him yet. She can be there for him to vent, and forgive him for all his harsh words he says to her in the anger of spewing out whatever is troubling him. She can say to herself "Let me help him get it all out if he's feeling so bad about my keeping secrets from him. Circumstances are forcing me to be secretive, but that does not mean I cannot be compassionate. I can be there for him if he wants to vent, and I will show him that I always will be there for him, even if he has to occasionally show me his worst side!"

Jo might forgive him easily, but the question is, will he be able to forgive himself after knowing that she was innocent all the time, and was doing everything for him only...

Zee have told many of us phone-callers that after this track Jalal will discover a new positive side of Jodha that he has never seen before. I have a feeling that he will see the compassionate side of Jodha. He will see that even when he is at his worst behaviour, and her hands are tied, she can still forgive him for his rudeness or off-behaviour, and help him through his problems. He will see that a really solid relationship is one where they are not just fair-weather friends, but can also take the stormy days in their stride. And he will see that this is not just a one-way street, they both have to be there for each other in their respective bad times.
I know that in the next few episodes Jalal is going to burst (as that promo showed us) but I want Jodha to be strong enough to let him be that way. I don't want her to take his anger personally or be unforgiving about it. I want her to realise that love is also about being there when the person you care for is spitting back at you unable to bear his own inner tortures.
Can Jodha do it? Jalal needs her now to do it for him!

My comments on all these scenes of Jalal above:

Friends, throughout this episode, in all of the five scenes above, Jalal was with different people ... but on the slow boil. His anger with Jodha , instigated by her secret meetings with the stranger he saw her with, is simmering away waiting to come to a head and have a spectacular blowout. We can all feel that tension in the air. Atga, Hamida and the ladies of the harem could feel that. And I am sure even Jodha could feel that.

Through these five scenes above we saw a pattern of inner turmoil, and inability to handle it, emerge in Jalal step by step.

- With Atga, he felt some distress in himself but was unready to talk about it. He wanted to privately nurse his inner tumult. He was remembering and rehashing all the flashbacks of Jodha with that man - and stoking his own anger.

- He then met with Jodha near the Tulsi plant and got a chance to show his sarcasm at her. He spoke in innuendo about how the ones closest to him seemed to be the ones ready to backstab him. It seemed fortunate to him that Jodha was talking about treacherous close ones in his family - because he seemed to want to see her also as one of the treacherous ones. But try as he might, Jalal I think was unable to sustain his anger and sarcasm at Jodha. He was unable to call her actions a "treachery" for he himself knew that he was over-reacting and carrying his irritation with her too far. Her injury to his heart was certainly not of the "treachery" class! He needed perspective and a way to handle his pain, but he didn't know how.

- After much thought, he went (not to his usual venomous anti-Jodha Badi Ammi) but this time to his kind and wise Jodha-loving Ammijaan! He put his head in her lap like a little lost boy and asked her what he should do if he trusted someone so close to him, and yet they did not seem to trust him in return. His mother advised patience and healing in the fullness of time. But even that perhaps didn't sound so right. For it was easier said than done to wait in patience.

- At the harem and later in the garden he found himself biting at Jodha, insulting her, showing his own arrogance and trying to make her feel small. The feelings inside were not willing to wait .. they were already beginning to give expression to themselves and pouring out of him as if he couldn't control them. But I doubt if that gave him enough satisfaction either. Mere arrogance and sarcasm was not going to help him feel spent and able to think again.

Will Jalal go back to being the jallad? No, I wouldn't say that at all. He is just smarting under the fact that the one he loves isn't seeming to love back in "equal measure". For if there was that equal love, would she not want to bare her heart to him and tell him everything?

What does Jalal need to do? He needs to just vent and let out the pent up emotions!

I think it will take a blowout from him to clear the cobwebs from his mind and show him that he was not wounded by betrayal, treachery, under-handedness, backstabbing or any of those heavy words. He will discover the truth, that he was wounded by the simple act of her not being ready to share her troubles with him, take him into her confidence.

He will discover that it was such a superficial hurt - but it hurt him a lot because he had learnt to love her and trust her so much that the loneliness and rejection he felt from her non-reciprocity was taking on the dimensions of a major inner wound for him!

And what does Jodha need to do to help him here (knowing she can't help him by telling her secret out to him yet)? She too needs to allow him to vent and not take it too personally. She needs to give him a helping hand to pour it all out and bear it with grace when he spews venom at her.

There's a beautiful quote just apt for these two people now. "Love is being able to bite your tongue when he wants to tear his hair out". Jodha needs to bite her tongue and take his verbal lashings as a different expression of his love, in a situation where she too is unable to do anything else to help him.

once again very positive and perfectly written...


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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Akanksha_33

Great analysis Mansi.

I quite liked the episode but I couldn't watch Jalal's rising temper over the episode. It was sad. 😭
This matter seems to be getting very serious now with Jalal loosing his cool, I think Jodha again will get a shower of insults from him today and in the monday episode.

What I won't like: Jalal insults Jodha in the precap and then goes to Ruqaiyya's room and then tells Ruqaiyya all this and Ruqaiyya influencing him. I want this matter only between them and not like the very horrifying Benazir track.

and in today's episode maybe we have Sujee's( Sujamal) entry in the harem?

Don't worry Akaknksha, Jalal will not share this with ruquiyya. He might go to Ruquiyya but will not discuss his hurt with her. he might praise her ability to manage the harem and also taking care of him blah blah but not discuss Jodha with her. If that was teh case he would have spell out teh name to Hamida. If at all, Jodha's Ghostly walking comes into public, that will be through maham's chal not because of Jalal.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Mansi I just came online but I HAD to read your post before, so read it from mobile even when I was busy😃

For you for this
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👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

My reply soon when I read your post savoring every word of it again😃


Diksha has requested me to add her post about yesterday's episode so just doing that also first.
Edited by MaddyO - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: -ambrosia-

Wow yaar absolutely correct

Great analysis yaar 👏..

Agree with u

Yes jallu hurt hai bohot zyada because usko yehi lagta hai ki jodha usko apni life mein itni importance nahi deti jiyna ki jallu usko deta hai
Jalal sab kuch share karta hai uske saath but jodha nahi jodha uske liye sab kuch hai uski har pal ke jine ki wajah but jalal yehi socha hai abhi bhi ki jodha usko itna nahi maanti jitna vo jodha ko isiliye bechara upset hai..

But but vo ye nahi jaanta ki jodha ye sab uske liye hi kar rahi hai sirf uske liye jodha ne harem ki job uske liye chodi taaki jodha uske bodyguard ki job ache se karey😆😛...
Ab jodha sab kuch chod chad ke uski bodyguard ban chuki hai nd he is still unaware of all this becoz of that stupid vachan of gadhamal😡..

Hate that suji ka halwa plz. Koi isko hosh mein laao or samjhao ki jalal jodha ka husband hai iska nahi😡..

So apne halwe ka jalwa inke relation mein naa laaye😡

Actually even Sujamal is not to blame. he is not deliberately trying to break up the Jo-Ja marriage like maham is doing. He too is a victim of circumstances. This is a typical case where Fate puts three people at a disadvantage for no deliberate fault of theirs. This too happens in life, so we have to weather it out as best as we can without looking for a scapegoat to blame!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Akanksha_33

Great analysis Mansi.

I quite liked the episode but I couldn't watch Jalal's rising temper over the episode. It was sad. 😭
This matter seems to be getting very serious now with Jalal loosing his cool, I think Jodha again will get a shower of insults from him today and in the monday episode.

What I won't like: Jalal insults Jodha in the precap and then goes to Ruqaiyya's room and then tells Ruqaiyya all this and Ruqaiyya influencing him. I want this matter only between them and not like the very horrifying Benazir track.

and in today's episode maybe we have Sujee's( Sujamal) entry in the harem?

Yes Akanksha this is a private matter between Jodha and Jalal. I don't think he will talk about it to Ruq. Those days are over!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: dipti123

super duper like your post mansi!!!!😊

I went thru the exact feelings that you have mentioned in the first para of your post...
Some many thoughts ...on so many levels going on in Jalal's mind, you have put them down very accurately..👏

Yes the solution as you suggested in the last para is what will take their relationship to the next level...

Till that time, Jodha and we have to bear the brunt of the sadness going on in Jodha and Jalal's life..

Thanks again for a wonderful post..😊

Very well said (the line in blue). Sometimes that "bearing the brunt" is also an act of love!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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This is Diksha's post about yesterday's episode. She is busy traveling today, so copying it here.
She had made it on Divyam's thread so it is like a point wise reply to Divyam's - so DIKSHA's REPLY IN BLUE

I see Diksha you have already read and made small comment also, cannot keep away from reading and replying to Mansi's post!😃😃😃

Jodha giving up haram

first thing, Salima had adviced Jo to leave harem, if u remember, on polo match day.. i know Salima asked her to do it for another reasons, but Jo took the decision for her own reasons... and i will say she is not exactly wrong... if she can't do justice with her work, it's better to give up than complete negligence...

Was is public insult?

right... coz it wasn't public insult... it was inside four walls of harem, not in DEK... public insult is what Jo faced in DEK while Ruku MC track, or Ben track...

Jodha was insulting the vote of the harem and her role by resigning without telling anyone and that to citing personal reasons that her husband does not even know- can Jalal not show his displeasure?

surely he can... but nothing new in it... he every time does it... and apologizes later... even that we r used to, by now... coz same thing is going to happen here too...

Beyond all this, again Jodha had not lived up to his expectations yet again- I heard more disappointment than insult

right, Jo has not lived upto his expectations yet again... but has he? remember he has said her, after that slavery track, that he will trust her no matter what...but is his trust so shaky, that coz he sees her with some unknown person 3/4 times , every night, and just coz she isn't telling him, so he loses his trust... then sorry, he doesn't know what trust means...

coz if seen this way, his track record is much worse, and if seen to that Jo should never trust him in her entire life...coz one tricky situation btw them and he is the first person to back off from so called trust, and start humiliating her. that too publically , in DEK.. Jo hasn't backed any time... coz frankly speaking he hasn't given her much reason to trust him...


and as for his disappointment, then he was the one who pushed her to take charge of harem... secondly, that election time also i had said, that she cared more for Jalal's reaction , and his dilemma btw her and Ruku, and she tried to solve it by putting him out of dilemma... for her he comes first, harem and every other thing comes later... same thing is happening here.. suja has told her that somebody wants to kill Jalal, and so her priority has changed... it's Jalal's safety, than harem's well being... and abt her telling him abt her meetings, then what she can tell him? that she is meeting suja... first thing she will be hold responsible as traitor... second thing, few days back when she tried to talk abt suja, Jallu has brushed her off saying he doesn't want to talk to her abt suja... so how can she tell him?

the main difference was one more thing... till date Jo never flinched even when his word was at her neck , not even that first time while practicing with him...but today she flinched... what does it mean... AkDha relationship, back to square one... ???

i wish he takes HB's advice seriously... he will be saved from being proved wrong one more time...

If he shows anger in private, I am more than happy.

good for him to keep it btw two of them...

Let's see what tomorrow brings ... I am pretty sure they will reserve the major dhamakka for next week.


Good episode... but the way it turned today, i didn't like... I really don't want Jallu to be proved wrong one more time when this track will be over... coz if he ever blames her for betrayal, and later when the truth comes out that she was doing all this for saving him, then one more repenting time for Jalal... and this time i don't want to see him feeling ashamed for thinking wrong of her, or insulting her, and then apologizing and asking for forgiveness for MU her... no , I want to see smart Jalal who will solve the entire puzzle, in his own right way, without hurting Jo... coz that will be the only way their faith /trust in each other will be reinstated... else... ????


Edited by MaddyO - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: history_geek

Wonderful post.!.

You said it all.
I don't feel there can be a better explanation then this. 👏

Will be back if 'required' 😉 .

Abhay, don't vanish! I may have some questions for you by this afternoon. I'll put them on PM, okay?
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: mandyg

Mansi, I want to write so much but am on cell, will do so shortly, could not stop myself from commenting, this is ur best post till date!

Thanks Mandy!😛

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