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Posted: 11 years ago
#71

Originally posted by: akdha

Mansi, for you positive post, take my saashtang pranam, Mansi, u r great👏. i was little happy after seeing the promo yest, that somehow this issue is outbursting, and not kept in silent vengeance. I am sure , because of this outburst, we could find an immediate reconciliation between akdha.😳

Yes in a way having a good outburst is better than letting the mess fester like an open wound!
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Posted: 11 years ago
#72

Originally posted by: deejagi

Guys,

I don't need to vouch for neither Jalal's nor Jodha's trust on each other. They trust each other and also care for each other. That is one thing which gave strength to Jodha to venture out in the darkness of the night to meet her brother & kept silent even after Jalal asked her repeatedly. Jalal trust Jodha so much that he can't even think of doubting her and looks for reasons for her outings. Despite seeing her talking to a completely stranger (to him and close one to Jodha), he didn't felt like asking her about whom she were meeting and what she was talking to him. He even advocated the same to Maham who was eagerly waiting to see the lion ounce on the lamb. Alas, it didn't happen, so she had counter plans. Jalal must have been thinking that Jodha would have met her brother Sujamal and will reveal the truth to him later but when the appointed spy entered the room to inform him that there is news that Sujamal had escaped from Agra. He gave the expression which Maham had been waiting for, he was alerted and said he neds to talk to Jodha begum about her night out meetings. But still I don't think he doubted her fidelity.

The moment he heard Sujamal escaped Agra, he just felt may be Jodha would have helped him to escape but for that there should be some more people involved. Who might be helping her? What if they miss use this opportunity and do some damage to the system as well as Jodha. As a husband, he is worried for Jodha as a shehenshah, he is worried for his Sultanate. When he reached Jodha, he saw Jodha in a sad mood feeding the caged birds and when he asked her she said she doesn't like to keep the birds caged but again she could not hurt his other Begum who gifted these caged birds. Can she need to be more vopcal on how she is feeling for her brother who is entrapped in Agra? Jalal understood it and freed those bords and said now the birds are free, are you happy? we can even manipulate his words as now that she has helped Sujamal to escape from Agra, she must be happy' but to his surprise she didn't seem to realize that and was deeply absorbed in her thought that he had to put himself as her Friend to ease her agony and asked her to empty her heart to him so that she will be lighter. However hard she wanted to share her pain, she was unable to do so for 2 major reasons.

1 Jalal's angry words towards Sujamal and how he has asked his captivity dead or alive.

2 Her prmise to Sujamal on secrecy of their meeting

The moment she open her mouth about her meeting with Sujamal, the angry Shehnshah might capture him and behead him and even after knowing the truth that her brother is not at fault, she can't endanger his life by revealing the truth to Jalal.

Sujamal didn't ask for her promise of secrecy to save his skin, please don't blame him for his request. If he was so worried for his life, he would have escaped Agra long back and would not have stayed in Agra to look out for the real culprit. He knows how Jalal will feel the moment he comes to know that someone close to him is plotting to kill him and this will be discussed in open DEK there by alerting the insider. If the insider is alerted he might change his plans or might attack Jalal in private than in disguise. To nab the criminal, it is needed to keep their plan secret. Sujamal was thinking of Jalal's life when he took the promise and not his life.

So now that Jalal has seen Jodha meeting the same person in a different place (Jalal had already got the temple location screened and found no clues about the person) and was shocked. So now he is more worried as Jodha selected a secluded place in the midst of the forest than the city centre temple to meet this person. The person might be a trust worthy one but what if some else, harm Jodha? Why she is taking so much of risk? If she is taking this much risk, then the issue had to be strong and what is that which is eating away her time and energy which she can't even share with me, he friend, her husband and the great emperor of Hindustan.

The earlier case during Ben issue was different as they were not in talking terms and he was hating her hence, she had to risk herself to unearth the criminal but now, despite his open support and him trusting her more than himself, if she can't confine in him about her problems, how hard they muct be or how weak she thinks of him?

Even if he talks to her in hard tone and hard words, he will not doubt her fidelity but in hurt or with the flow of emotions, he might shout at her whom she had been meeting that she can't even share those details to her husband? That will be an hurt husband not suspe4cting Shehenshah.

For sure she will not open up and the circumstances might force him to take some precautionary measures for her safety and he might order her to leave for Amer. Again, not because he is angry with her but because to get to the bottom of her problems. To unearth that person whom she was meeting and also to know the exact reason for her silence. While she is Agra, it will be difficult for him to investigate on her.

He wants to help her, so he had to act as a bitter medicine not as sugar syrup which damage the health.

Jaya, what a fabulous post. ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️These days you are in supreme form. You are just hitting all the right points one after another.
This is my position exactly on why Jodha is silent. She has no choice here, she has to be. She is really between a rock and a hard place, and both lives are at stake here ... Sujamal's and Jalal's.
And you're right, Jalal is getting not only frustrated with his curiosity in the face of her silence but he is genuinely afraid also for her safety in these midnight meetings which are shifting places every day!
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Posted: 11 years ago
#73

Originally posted by: skanda12

Even with a powerful female villain the fatigue factor can set in! Audiences may get bored seeing the same sort of chaals day after day! A fresh face may bring new angles to the story.


True hope the CVs realize that
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Posted: 11 years ago
#74
Very nice post as usual.👏👏

I was in awe seeing Jalal's trust for Jodha. What a long way have these two come? So much care and trust was so amazing to watch. oh Maham Anga. What is this lady made of and how more sharp can she get? Think she must have sense that maybe Jalal thought this stranger is Sujamal that's why he didn't show distress even after seeing them. So the ever so smart Maham had to play this dirty trick.😡
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Posted: 11 years ago
#75

Originally posted by: ayushimehra

Again good analysis, i liked,

love, unspoken, is like a burden, sometimes,
but when unspoken love, comes after hurdels,
flows with the shape of tears.
after;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;love blossoms, with full of
passon & count with himself, so much, anyone can not destroy, then.

episode was good, jodha prays to kanaha, feeling guilt, she can't tell jalal about sujamal, because, she promised sujamal.
feeling guilt is a good sign, we are aware, but situations are demanding us to do this,
it's not a ques, she is hiding, why she is hiding that's imp?
if she told jalal about sujamal, sujamal will be arrested, maybee jodha will be punished;
then which information sujamal provided, one another man is invloved , who want to kill jalal
how both will investgate?
here ques is kings safty?
if jodha directs talks to jalal, then sujamal life will be unsafe, jodha knows he is innocent.
how can put jodha, a inncent man life is danger, if he is not her brother then she will do that which she doing now. A women have many duites, so sometime imp, not speak sudden but when speak when necessary

Maham &jalal watches jodha, but here jalal shows some patience, He not intrupts them,
so character point he has clear, i think so,
maham with the help of spy, poisions jalal again, but jalal's faith on jodha not tolaring maham,;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;so she is going more down which she can go,😡 😡 😡 😡 😡 😡

Ruk & hosh talks, Ruk now knows jodha is not night time Hozara last two nights, now ruk how use this situation,;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;😕 😕 😕 😕
(when ruk do some stupidness is she feels guilt,;;;;;;;;;;;;;;No, here difference, Jodha & ruk.

jalal go to jodha Hozara, he wants jodha share
as a friend, but jodha not share,
then Birds freed,;;;;;;;;;;;;is jalal hinting i know
you freed sujamal
or another meaning, you tell all problems to me & free herself, ( i am with you)
when jalal says, i don't knows why you hiding
from me, maybee i not capable to win your trust, i not douting you, but i am worring you,
so i do my best, (shows both are same thinking at a point same;;;;;;;;;which belongs to eachother safty.

Atgha khan, is fine now, jalal give him indirectely duty to find sujamal,
is jalal want to confirm, maham is saying right
sujamal is gone?
but then he sees jodha to going another way to meet sujamal;
curious jalal follow jodha, &sees she is talking another man;;;;;;;;;;;;;;now he is feeling worry
if sujamal has gone, who the another man?
but one thing he says, i am worring for your safty;;;;;;;;;;;;;;poor jalal, &innocent jodha,
but now this track will come;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;TRUST, after some tusslebazzy;;
but Ela thread, posted, pic's of Sujamal in lady guise;
why sujamal is comeing to Harem?
is he help jodha to finding another culprit?
or jodha is going to punish, mughal gaddhar?
sujamal will help her.😕

after seeing precap; now harem is going to again ruk;
jodha ans some personal cause, she will not able to do the harem duites;
is jalal will understand this?i think 80 %yes
now jodha is going to do imp work,
king's safty⭐️ ⭐️
jalal is doing work for jodha's safty.
both are busy😆 😆 😆😆 (but i think no MU,
but Maham little downfall start)






Ayushi, I agree with all your points, but the point you have made on Atga stands out. maybe he is the key to the solution of this whole mess that everyone is in. Thank God Atga is well again. Now if he tries to nail Maham it will be great. remember, that man who attacked Atga may also have been a Maham man if he was from the Treasury. If Atga gets a scent of any plot of maham's to eliminate himself, he is sure to turn against Mhama and may well expose the lies of that spy!
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Posted: 11 years ago
#76

Originally posted by: Abie10

Very nice post as usual.👏👏

I was in awe seeing Jalal's trust for Jodha. What a long way have these two come? So much care and trust was so amazing to watch. oh Maham Anga. What is this lady made of and how more sharp can she get? Think she must have sense that maybe Jalal thought this stranger is Sujamal that's why he didn't show distress even after seeing them. So the ever so smart Maham had to play this dirty trick.😡

That is exactly the point Abie. This maham is at least two steps ahead of Jalal, that is the problem. He doesn't automatically suspect her, which he should. Only if he starts suspecting her will he be alert to her ways!
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Posted: 11 years ago
#77

Originally posted by: MaddyO



I really like your post but I do not want to see Jodha being sent to Amer. Jalal's intentions might be different but it will look like he is doing that out of doubt on her and like MA & Rukayya winning in their chals.

So I do not want to see that, hope CVs do not show this.

I would rather after his outburst, Jodha will realize how hurt Jalal felt by her lying and her actions and somehow she is able to tell him and together they solve this.

That way they come closer and MA is defeated - her purpose to drive them apart failed.

For WHATEVER reason showing Jodha sent to Amer will be like a defeat of their love.


Maddy, I don't think Jodha will share the details about her meeting Sujamal. May be Maham in her eagerness to see the shame on Jodha's face and to humiliate her by calling a traiter might reveal the fact that Jodha was meeting none other than Sujamal, the enemy of Jalal & the sultanate.
It is oK if it lloks like Jalal suspected JOdha, it is required to tie a bite to the hook to catch teh fish. So to unearth the real culprit, if Jalal had to mock show his Misplaceed trust on Jodha is OK because Jodha will realise that sooner though hurt initially. The moment Jodha is out of Agra, Maham will start her filthy actions is full swing and will attract the eyes of HB & SB and if SB showsw some light rays to Jalal, he will try to believe it.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: deejagi

Maddy, I don't think Jodha will share the details about her meeting Sujamal. May be Maham in her eagerness to see the shame on Jodha's face and to humiliate her by calling a traiter might reveal the fact that Jodha was meeting none other than Sujamal, the enemy of Jalal & the sultanate.
It is oK if it lloks like Jalal suspected JOdha, it is required to tie a bite to the hook to catch teh fish. So to unearth the real culprit, if Jalal had to mock show his Misplaceed trust on Jodha is OK because Jodha will realise that sooner though hurt initially. The moment Jodha is out of Agra, Maham will start her filthy actions is full swing and will attract the eyes of HB & SB and if SB showsw some light rays to Jalal, he will try to believe it.



I am sorry but to me it will look like CVs do not have any other idea than to show Jodha hurt and humiliated again - so MA has to win even in her downfall

I hope they can find better way to solve this. Just like Mansi said, let them show their creativity where they AGAIN do not have to show Jodha humiliated for the track to be solved!

BTW MA is ALWAYS upto her filthy actions and she is never in half swing so if CVs need to again show Jodha humiliated I do not get this!

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Hi Mansi,

Well written, especially the way you have described the agony of both Jalal and Jodha and how deeply they feel for each other. I am so happy that you have not blamed either one of them for circumstances beyond their control. They are both so dignified and graceful in the way they are behaving with each other.

I just want to say one thing - Jalal doesn't know she is meeting Sujamal nor did he ever feel so. Maham only prevented him from thinking in that direction in the future. In a way, this is good. Jalal may feel just that little bit of jealousy that will give a shot in the arm to their relationship (the way Jodha's jealousy of Ben did). He trusts her definitely but is also aware that Jodha is more comfortable with another guy than with him (Jalal) and he wants to know what he can do to rectify this.

Regarding the caged birds freed by Jalal, here is my interpretation that I had also given on Adi's thread. Jalal perhaps feels that Jodha is feeling like a caged bird in her relationship with him and wants/needs to be freed from the burden of any such relationship.

It's like he wants her to know he values her freedom and space, that he wants her to open up to him of her own volition and not because she is bound to him by some relationship. The old Jalal had boasted that he would keep her in a golden cage and there would be no one to save her from him. Now he wants her to be free from his power - like they say, if you love someone, set them free. If they are yours, they will come back to you. If they don't, they were never yours. Since Jodha has never confessed her love to him, he is now testing her this way. He wants to see whether she will stay with him or choose someone else and walk away from him (Jalal).

He will confront her out of frustration and not anger. But I don't think he will send her to Amer. He cannot bear to part with her for any reason.

I think Jodha wants to give up harem responsibilities because she feels she is doing injustice to her duties by neglecting them. She is the kind who will either give her 100 percent to something or give up totally instead of doing a half-baked job. And Jalal may understand her position and allow her to step down. Many times he has said she is too emotional and gets too carried away by other people's problems for her own good and is getting burdened by harem duties and has no time for herself. So he may actually support her decision to quit.

It's not as if she is running away. She just wants someone who can do justice to the position to carry on with the work and Ruq is already there for this. We can't compare this with Jalal and say can he run away from his responsibilities because he has a personal problem. He is an emperor and has immense experience and is practical enough to know how to balance his personal and official work. But she is just heading a post that can be easily headed by anyone else. She is a novice and cracking under pressure. She is too emotional to be able to demarcate between harem duties and her personal life. So instead of letting things get into a mess, she wants to gracefully move aside.

PS: Want the CVs to wind up this track at a good dramatic pace and not drag it on like the Ben track, where viewers had got all fed up.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Brilliantly written post 👏

I loved reading ur description about JaJo's helplessnss about not able to share their concerns to each other, awesome dear!!

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