Harem politics and relationships! Are both at stake or none?

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Well I tried to be positive but ended up being practical. I wanted to be positive but then I realized I wouldn't be able to speak my heart out if I try to be positive. I just wanted to vent it out. So here it goes.

Even if your intentions are good but believe me when I say this, that when you drag relationships to a place or to a situation where they are not meant to be, it does not serve good to anyone involved in that. According to me, Jodha's motive was good when she approached Jalal and Salima and asked them to vote in favour of Ruqaiya, but this good motive was for a wrong person and a wrong situation. If this reason of Jalal and Salima voting for Ruqaiya ever came to forefront(in case it ever happens) in near future, then Jodha will definitely be blasted off by Ruqaiya because she is not the kind of person who will ever be able to realize that it was her noble thought and not a way to put her down. She will definitely think that Jodha wanted to prove her superciliousness and make her feel inferior and a person of less importance than her. Now who will explain our extra mahaan aatma that Ruqaiya is an airhead. I feel Jodha knows this but her greatness is overshadowing the reality. Its good to be good but not too good enough to be taken in a bad way and along a wrong direction . Doing good to others is not bad, but sometimes it goes the wrong way, something that is not meant to happen.

Further more, I think Jodha was the person who had said that Ruqaiya's arrogance had to be broken and she had even realized that the harem needed her, there were things that needed to be changed about the harem and so she decided to stand against her. But then what was this? Its like you are standing in an election and expecting to win and change things but then you are found promoting your opponent, though not infront of everyone but to some; may be to some, numbers really don't matter but what matters is that its against the true spirit of being part of an election, a democratic election I should say where people have got the voting rights and they can vote according to their wish. Now how much right was it on Jodha's part to influence someone else's views? She should have understood that political and personal opinions can never be brought together. Sometimes decisions go wrong that way. But what surprised me the most is that Jalal and Salima did not make any serious attempt to explain her that she was wrong. Jalal is a just emperor. Right? Ok you love Jodha and her opinions matter a lot to you. But first you are Shahenshah! How could you agree with her on something like this when you were the one who planned this democratic election? So what should I say? Is it justness redifined? Salima Begum is so worldly wise. Not only that, but she has good knowledge of politics too. I've always agreed to each and every word of wisdom she has preached. She has always been straightforward, precise, to the point in her conversations. But why was she silent this time? Why?(Janta jawaab chahti hai😆)This is the reason, for why the election part was no less of a joke for me.

Now amidst harem politics, we have two relationships at stake, one is of Jalal and Ruqaiya(its in the process of getting ruined) and second one is of Salima and Ruqaiya(actually this relationship is somewhat ruined now). Salima and Jalal wanted to vote for Jodha but they voted for Ruqaiya. Now for a moment forget that Ruqaiya is Ruqaiya; I mean her nature.(because unless you do that you can't feel for her, I know its impossible but do it once). Won't she feel bad and cheated?( I am least interested to sympathize with her but then anyone would feel bad.). She may not mind Jodha doing this because she hates her but she'll definitely feel bad if she comes to know about what Jalal did. I would have been satisfied as a viewer(specifically me) if they had shown Jalal and Salima taking the right decision and Ruqaiya realizing her worth. Now there's nothing good which has happened with either Jalal, Salima, Ruqaiya or Jodha.

I'm hopeless about Bakshi Bano and I don't expect anything from her. She is a victim of her own foolish mind. Fault lies on her own side and she is blaming the other side. Actually there's nothing more I can predict other than her and Jodha's changing equation in future due to Sharifuddin. So here we have another relationship on its way to get ruined. In this case a relationship has affected election results(part of harem politics).

Well, now I've nothing more to say. What I expect is some sensible way to handle situations .And I can only hope for the same. Ab to creatives hi bachaye.

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Posted: 11 years ago
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when i watched the entire issue...i couldn't understand a single thing what is happening...jodha needs to learn to keep personal and professional relationship separately...it was wrong of her to drag relationships in b/w so that so that ruku doesn't get hurt...her intentions are good and noble...and she has been always a humble soul...but then when it comes to politics relationships are not meant to be drag...
the real winner its actually jodha only becos jallu and salima voted for jodha...but since she blackmail them with their relationship...they had to give their vote to ruku...both of them look so dejected while saying ruku's name...they give their verdicts out with a very heavy heart...

well personally i felt...relationships should not have been drag into the election...

as for BB...she is brainless...i have no expectations from her...jodha was a fool to help her out...she is truly going to make a mess in Akdha relationship along with her cheap husband...
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Great analysis and I agree with most of your points.
The whole election was a joke, to make it worst it was an open one to put enmity among people. They should simple had nominated Ruqu
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Agreed. Her motives were selfless but it was not right thing to do. I couldn't believe that Salima and Jalaal yielded too.. Overall it made the election look like a joke and left a distaste.
Moreover I may have liked it if she had limited herself to making the request just to Jalaal. But Saleema too? I was disappointed. Bottonline-the election was fixed and rigged.
And all of them forgot that Ruqqu needed to be tamed for everyone to live in peace...Instead they ended up fanning her false pride...No wonder now ruqqu is getting stronger in her resolve and plan.
But I for one found this episode creating loopholes and inconsistencies in the harem track.
Edited by prejudiced - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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I am of the different opinion here. Once again listen to what Jodha says to Jalal carefully . She says it may not affect ruquaiyya if she wins or loses the election, but it will affect her friendship with you that is there from so many years. What she is trying to tell jalal here is she may be the one whom he loves, but love cannot blossom on the grave of other relationships which are existing for many no of years. Every relationship is important. Even the boat incident when she says she would have been hurt if in place of ruq ,she also mentions to jalal that it is also your duty to spend time with all your begums because they deserve being your wives.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: konron

I am of the different opinion here. Once again listen to what Jodha says to Jalal carefully . She says it may not affect ruquaiyya if she wins or loses the election, but it will affect her friendship with you that is there from so many years. What she is trying to tell jalal here is she may be the one whom he loves, but love cannot blossom on the grave of other relationships which are existing for many no of years. Every relationship is important. Even the boat incident when she says she would have been hurt if in place of ruq ,she also mentions to jalal that it is also your duty to spend time with all your begums because they deserve being your wives.


I respect your point of view. Its ok. And I agree that Jodha's motive was good but as I mentioned in my post the concern of Jodha was for a wrong person and during a wrong situation. According to me there was no need to drag relationships over here. I agree to each and every word about what you said about relationships but dear what work does it have in politics? Do you think you should allow your personal relationships to affect your political decisions? How far can it ensure a right decision? And further more did you see that displeasure on face of jalal and salima after they took Ruqaiya's name. Even they weren't happy. So it was a mistake from their side as well. But its ok! I think you are right in your place👍🏼 and this is what I think.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Respect your opinion, but i disagree !!! 😊
Jodha as shown in the show is inherently a person who even though is always seen fighting for the right she is also someone who would never want to hurt someone to do that right.
As far as her going to Jalal and Salima requesting them to vote for Ruqs is concerned thats just her way of trying to make sure that their relationship with Ruqs is not ruined coz she knows Ruqs would be heart broken and get nuttier if these people were to openly support Jodha. She does not know that Jalal knows that it was Ruqs who did the Murti kaand, she does not know that Jalal has very less respect left for Ruqs and she does not know that the RuqLal relationship is in a very perilous place right now. She also does not know about the blowout that Ruqs and Salima had before the elections.
So her going and asking these 2 to vote for Ruqs is something that I respect.
Didn't she say something along the lines of "Sambandho ki dor bohot nazuk hoti hai shehenshah" to Jalal once, isnt she just standing by it???
Wasn't she also seen being practical by voting for herself when asked for her vote??? If she was in her mahaan devi mode without any worry for the slaves everyone knows she would have voted for Ruqs, thats how she is.
So practicality is all well and good but expecting the same from a person who is always seen making decisions with her heart would not be very logical now would it 😊
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: JeannieJA

Respect your opinion, but i disagree !!! 😊
Jodha as shown in the show is inherently a person who even though is always seen fighting for the right she is also someone who would never want to hurt someone to do that right.
As far as her going to Jalal and Salima requesting them to vote for Ruqs is concerned thats just her way of trying to make sure that their relationship with Ruqs is not ruined coz she knows Ruqs would be heart broken and get nuttier if these people were to openly support Jodha. She does not know that Jalal knows that it was Ruqs who did the Murti kaand, she does not know that Jalal has very less respect left for Ruqs and she does not know that the RuqLal relationship is in a very perilous place right now. She also does not know about the blowout that Ruqs and Salima had before the elections.
So her going and asking these 2 to vote for Ruqs is something that I respect.
Didn't she say something along the lines of "Sambandho ki dor bohot nazuk hoti hai shehenshah" to Jalal once, isnt she just standing by it???
Wasn't she also seen being practical by voting for herself when asked for her vote??? If she was in her mahaan devi mode without any worry for the slaves everyone knows she would have voted for Ruqs, thats how she is.
So practicality is all well and good but expecting the same from a person who is always seen making decisions with her heart would not be very logical now would it 😊

Dear frankly speaking, I am more upset with Jalal and Salima than Jodha. If not Jodha, I can expect them to be practical atleast. Jodha being Jodha did this but Jalal being an emperor first and Salima being such a sensible person should have clarified things and made her explain that it was not right on her part to influence someone else's votes. I have already mentioned in the post that she is that extra mahaan type aatma who can never be practical. But again I'll say that her good intentions were for a wrong person and a wrong situation. Even I respect her for approaching Jalal and Salima but I just feel had the situation been different, had it not been for purpose of elections, I would have taken it in other way round. She has succeeded in being a family member but not a queen of her praja. But even I respect your opinion. So no worries! But then if she had ever realized that the harem needed her and she wanted to bring the very much needed changes by winning the elections, then one question came to my mind that was she so sure that without the votes of Salima and Jalal she would have won?
Edited by Reemirocks - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Reemi, I posted this on Mansi's thread and on Preeti's thread and am copying it here.

Pls recall Jodha's word to TE - hum aapke aur Ruqaiyya ke beech nahin aana chahte.

TE did not vote for Ruqs just becoz Jodha told him so - he realised that Jodha's words are exactly what Ruqs ka problem is - and he voted for Ruqs for 2 reasons is my opinion - 1) so that Ruqs can realise that she has her place in his life just as Jodha has hers, 2) to protect Jodha from Ruqs.

Pls let us not call TE Jodha's poodle - I do agree that his and Salima's voting for Ruqs on Jodha's say so was not right but my opinion is that both did so to protect Jodha from Ruqs since both have realised from the murti kaand how negative Ruqs is to Jodha.

I think had Ruqs become the harem in-charge again, both TE and Salima would have kept her under constant surveillance and one wrong step and TE would have thrown her over and put another in-charge. There is a time for confrontation and a time for conciliation and this was not the time for confrontation with Ruqs - that needs more finesse

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Reemirocks

Dear frankly speaking, I am more upset with Jalal and Salima than Jodha. If not Jodha, I can expect them to be practical atleast. Jodha being Jodha did this but Jalal being an emperor first and Salima being such a sensible person should have clarified things and made her explain that it was not right on her part to influence someone else's votes. I have already mentioned in the post that she is that extra mahaan type aatma who can never be practical. But again I'll say that her good intentions were for a wrong person and a wrong situation. Even I respect her for approaching Jalal and Salima but I just feel had the situation been different, had it not been for purpose of elections, I would have taken it in other way round. But even I respect your opinion. So no worries! But then if she had ever realized that the harem needed her and she wanted to bring the very much needed changes by winning the elections, then one question came to my mind that was she so sure that without the votes of Salima and Jalal she would have won?


Thanks for the reply 😊
Again I am not upset with Jalal or Salima either, they know Ruqs, they have seen her dislike or hatred for Jodha and they knew she would practically breathe fire if they didn't vote for her or at least Jalal didn't vote for her, hence the reactions out of all the people when Ruqs voted for Jodha. Jalal and Salima have started seeing Ruqs for the person she really is and disliking it but they are still not at that stage where they would want to hurt her or not care about her feelings or actions.
Also Jodha's good intentions were not only for Ruqs, they were for Jalal and Salima too. She did not want their relationship with Ruqs to get ruined, if that were to happen it would hurt Jalal and Salima too right?? not just Ruqs
Na I think she knows that if she sets her mind to it, she can take her case and the slaves plight to Jalal. She has started trusting Jalal and does see him as a just Shehenshah too (which he is), she would have found a way to solve the problems but never at the expense of relationships 😊
Mannn I sound like a freaking character expert, sorrry 😆 but thats how I see their actions 😊

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