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Posted: 11 years ago
#91

Originally posted by: skanda12

More romance = more TRPs. Hope the CVs get that!

yeh to hona hi tha 😆

Viewers like me felt cheated when they edited feeding scene. We had a lot of expectations from FS trip they showed very little, Maximum episode they filled with "dhakka" ... then Ruku was back ... ruku's arrival was very very annoying.

They cheated us yesterday as well, since they needed TRP they show the precap one day earlier to get more viewers ... but god only knows when the original scene will come ... if comes, how it will be ... most of the time they disappoint us with misleading precaps ... most of the viewers find this irritating.

Now in DKDM Mouni is back, and the repeat telecast is at 9:30 am only, so missing 8:00 pm slot means missing the episode for many. Many people may have started watching DKDM at 8:00 pm and JA at 11:00 pm slot.

Really feeling bad for my favorite show.😭 😭

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Posted: 11 years ago
#92

Originally posted by: surjyotapa


I am following this debate and this is really interesting one. When jodha gave the 'nirdosh balak' explanation that was not 100% correct, but remembering that punishment scene I can say that Jodha's argument was right.

In DEK jalal gave Jodha the responsibility to punish bakshi banu, as a king his verdict was given. HB told that brother won over shahenshah, so jalal gave jodha this responsibility. Jodha pardoned her.

After that Jalal said , "bakshi hamara bhi gunehgar hay,aur aaj se un ke saath hamara koi rishta nehi hay ... etc" ... this punishment was given by Bakshi's brother not by the shahenshah. A brother was hurt that day, his broken heart could not forgive his sisters's 'beimani'. He was bleeding inside, jodha understood that and she was trying to heal that brother inside him, brother and shahenshah fight was on.

Jodha knew that ... so today she appealed to that brother, told him that justice has been done long before, brother should forgive his sister now for that unborn child. Those dialogues were really well written.

What no one can see, Jodha can see, jodha can feel his hurt,his conflict, his inside battle. So jodha helped him, she will do it every time when jalal will be in pain ... she was doing everything because of jalal, not for bakshi, knowingly or unknowingly.



I had written this reply to Sandhya's point above, since we both think it is now brother pardoning I am copying it here

I had actually agreed with Jalal when he had said BB had not just harmed Jodha but him also.
Jodha was plotted against because Sharif has designs on her (😕) but against Jalal it was done against him as well as Shehenshah

What did trouble him more insult against him as a man by his loving sister or a blot on Shehenshah since it was announced that he will get a heir? And it was done AGAINST SHEHENSHAH'S BEGUM?

So Jalal was wounded from both sides, I wonder which was more important to him?
Clearly the brother has forgiven HERE not the Shehenshah

I think Jodha appealed to the man/brother because she felt insulted more as a woman than as a Begum and so she considers similarly that it hurt brother more than Shehenshah

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Posted: 11 years ago
#93

Originally posted by: divyavm


Interesting debate on justice- I would love to get all your thoughts on a question I had in my mind.

Kids without the saaya of their parents was always a soft spot for Jalal- do you remember earlier there was an instance with a poor Hindu couple and their son- he put the couple in jail but then when he saw the boy alone asking what is the order for him he melted and forgave him. So, he has pardoned folks before- Though Adham Khan tried calling him out for it.

That being said ... He is not very consistent. During the fake pregnancy track, he was so angry he ordered that a pregnant women- due to her affair- be stoned.This was when he imagined himself and Jodha as the couple.

But then Hamida made him forgive one of his own begums for having a child with someone else.

I actually watched this episode later online. The way I remember it, she was probably not a Begum but part of kinda war spoils () and she was already either in love with or married to the man she is pregnant from. When Rukayya learns she is pregnant and how much progressed she tells Jalal and they realise the child is not his. So he wants to kill her but HB stops them saying he should not kill her because of the child inside her cos HB does not want bad karma for him in getting a child. So he pardons her and her lover.


The CVs are not being very consistent on Jalal's justice views- and it is not only with his relatives.

I guess we can add it to the list of CVs inconsistencies but would love your thoughts if you have any or perhaps they are trying to show he is impulsive at times.

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Posted: 11 years ago
#94

Originally posted by: MaddyO



Line in bold agree totally.
BTW I have again replied to Sandhya for the above, did you read my 2nd reply too?

Glad to see you here, have you seen I copied your post in my reply, page 8 I think


Yes I saw your post.
I am replying here ...
I think as a shahensah also justice has been done for Bakshi Banu, Jodha had that right and Jodha used it, if Jodha asked for Bakshi's life sentence he would have granted that, so the judgement was fair. Yesterday brother also pardoned his sister.
Now the point is whether he will release Shariff as well? Probably he will do so .. as he had done it before ... his own troubled childhood is his weakness.
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Posted: 11 years ago
#95
Hey everybody just read a post and saw youtube video link

RAHIM IS BACK ON THE SETS WITH JODHA!👍🏼

Does this mean solving of letter MU to come sooon😃😃😃😃😃😃

link of post here
http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3925777

Common CVs, now solve the DHAKKA

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Posted: 11 years ago
#96

Originally posted by: deejagi

Mansi, sorry for the late response and thanks for the lovely update.

For a change I liked even the Ruqu & Maham scene. it had lots of message.
Loved the way Ruqu retorted him that if he had already decided to not to pardan BB, then why did he ask their opinions? Even though every one pointyed about the crime and the law of the nation, they still insisted in their own way, why BB should be pardaned. That was qquite nice.
Jodha had felt that she lost her ground in getting forgiveness for BB from Jalal and Salima Begum's words gave her the ray of hope and she caught it tight like a drwoing man gets hold of a floating starw for his help. Immediately she appealed to HB about her mindset that she will try her luck yet again by approacing Bakshi Banu's brother. Now she was clear that, Jalaluddin Mohammad, the Emperor is too strong and his will is much more styronger than his outer shell. Hence she thought of sneaking through that outer shell and reach the brother and convince him to help her in bringing some hope and happiness to her SIL. Despite the discouragement from Ruqu & Maham, she marched back with the blessings of HB and silent support from SB.
The sulking brother was near the weighing machine as he was unable to weigh the justice to WOMAN who happens to be his brother and yet a traitor, who happens to be a pregnant and yet had played dirty games on someone using teh same theame, who happens to be lonely and yet who affected a lonely new comers with henious crime, who happened to pray for his wife's health and yet unfortunately who was the one who betreyed the same wife by belittling her.
He was unable to weigh the 2 women in his life one who was his life and the one who was affected by her is his life. The one who was affected is advocating for the one who affected her was killing him. He wa sunable to weigh his love for his sister v/s his love for his wife. He was covered with guilt, if he accept his sister back to his folds, will it do unjustice to his wife? If he doesn't, wont he do unjustice to his siter and what about the coming guest, wont he welcome him with hs open arms and enfold him ith affection? But at what cost? The cost is high, it is his wife's honour, her feminity and her integrity. he was LOST.
The came the angel in the right moment when he was unable to decide on who weighs more, a sister or a wife. She came and explained him well that by forgiving his sister he is not faulting his wife as they hold different position in a man's life. To safe guard his wife's integrity, he need not have to hurt his sister and there by himself for not taking care of that unfortunate sister who is all alone now in this world despite having a whole lot of people to call as her own. Because of her (wife), he should not depirve her husban dthe happiness of welcoming his nephew who happens to be the first child of the family. Who happens to be the miniature of his lovely sister. WHo happens to bring the happiness and laughter in teh family which had been deprived of it with the evil effect of dirty people. Who can bring out the softer side of her husband from his coconed dry and hard shell of a shehenshah.
In all her reasoning, I could see her caring for her husband who was grieing for his inability to hug, console congratullate his sister just because his hands are tied in the rope of Justice. She wanted to free him from that bond, so that he can enjoy the life with his beloved sister.
Though it was in the bad taste, but she did felt what it feels to be alone during those days, how a lady long to be with her family, with her brother, sisters, mother and offcourse a caring husband. Under those circumstances, Jodha was deprived of those joy, but she knows how a lady wants all her loved one round her. The memory od those moments had made her eyes moist and in those moistr eyes she asked him (the brother of the accused) to forgive the sister and relieve her husband form the guilt, so taht he can enjoy his life.
I really don't know, whether Jalal forgave Jodha because of her love for BB, or his love for BB or his love for Jodha or did he really saw that immense love for him in Jodha's eyes which was covered behind the stream of tears and accute pain. But end of the day, he was relieved from the big boulder which had been on his shoulder for a long time and had rushed to his sister in right time to save her from teh great fall. Should I presume this as an indication to the future where he saves her from fall into the trap of Shareef and the supposed to be the loss (wither her child, if she really is pregnant now, or from betreying them again unknowingly with her foolish love for her husband by showing her the true face of SD).
I would have watched it with great interest even if Jodha had talked for few more minutes also as each an dvery word she spoke had volumes of meaning.

Beautifully written 👏 👏
I hope Bakshi is really pregnant, don't want to see heart broken Jalal again. MC or stillborn child is ok ... but another betrayal !! ... no no no don't want that.😡
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Posted: 11 years ago
#97
Hi Mansi, nice post😛 i was not able to reply to the tuesday post😭, my manager gave me loads of work to do, that i was not able to open the forum also, but i have the habit of reading ur posts in the morning before my manager comes😆 and hence i read all ur posts. i was touched on jalal-bakshi scene more. when jalal said aap teek tho ho na, hmmm?? that hmmm made my mouth wide open😆 i saw that scene alone for more than 4 times😳
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Posted: 11 years ago
#98

Originally posted by: deejagi

Mansi, sorry for the late response and thanks for the lovely update.

For a change I liked even the Ruqu & Maham scene. it had lots of message.
Yes, Jaya, I agree, yesterdays Ruq Maham scene was different than the ones we've seen before because it was really loaded with sankets!
Loved the way Ruqu retorted him that if he had already decided to not to pardan BB, then why did he ask their opinions? Even though every one pointyed about the crime and the law of the nation, they still insisted in their own way, why BB should be pardaned. That was qquite nice.
Jodha had felt that she lost her ground in getting forgiveness for BB from Jalal and Salima Begum's words gave her the ray of hope and she caught it tight like a drwoing man gets hold of a floating starw for his help. Immediately she appealed to HB about her mindset that she will try her luck yet again by approacing Bakshi Banu's brother. Now she was clear that, Jalaluddin Mohammad, the Emperor is too strong and his will is much more styronger than his outer shell. Hence she thought of sneaking through that outer shell and reach the brother and convince him to help her in bringing some hope and happiness to her SIL. Despite the discouragement from Ruqu & Maham, she marched back with the blessings of HB and silent support from SB.
The real insight into the situation came from Salima. She is the one who said the brother in him had shown itself even though the King in him was opposing the forgiving of Bakshi. And as you say Jodha jumped at the opportunity to "sneak into his psyche" via that angle. But jaya, it was at the mention of her own pain that he responded actually. Even to that brother angle he was still facing away from Jodha as she spoke. But when she talked of her own pain, he turned and looked at her sharply!
The sulking brother was near the weighing machine as he was unable to weigh the justice to WOMAN who happens to be his brother and yet a traitor, who happens to be a pregnant and yet had played dirty games on someone using teh same theame, who happens to be lonely and yet who affected a lonely new comers with henious crime, who happened to pray for his wife's health and yet unfortunately who was the one who betreyed the same wife by belittling her.
He was unable to weigh the 2 women in his life one who was his life and the one who was affected by her is his life. The one who was affected is advocating for the one who affected her was killing him. He wa sunable to weigh his love for his sister v/s his love for his wife. He was covered with guilt, if he accept his sister back to his folds, will it do unjustice to his wife? If he doesn't, wont he do unjustice to his siter and what about the coming guest, wont he welcome him with hs open arms and enfold him ith affection? But at what cost? The cost is high, it is his wife's honour, her feminity and her integrity. he was LOST.
The came the angel in the right moment when he was unable to decide on who weighs more, a sister or a wife. She came and explained him well that by forgiving his sister he is not faulting his wife as they hold different position in a man's life. To safe guard his wife's integrity, he need not have to hurt his sister and there by himself for not taking care of that unfortunate sister who is all alone now in this world despite having a whole lot of people to call as her own. Because of her (wife), he should not depirve her husban dthe happiness of welcoming his nephew who happens to be the first child of the family. Who happens to be the miniature of his lovely sister. WHo happens to bring the happiness and laughter in teh family which had been deprived of it with the evil effect of dirty people. Who can bring out the softer side of her husband from his coconed dry and hard shell of a shehenshah.
That line I have marked in blue is simply brilliant! Jaya, hats off for that thought!⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
In all her reasoning, I could see her caring for her husband who was grieing for his inability to hug, console congratullate his sister just because his hands are tied in the rope of Justice. She wanted to free him from that bond, so that he can enjoy the life with his beloved sister.
Though it was in the bad taste, but she did felt what it feels to be alone during those days, how a lady long to be with her family, with her brother, sisters, mother and offcourse a caring husband. Under those circumstances, Jodha was deprived of those joy, but she knows how a lady wants all her loved one round her. The memory od those moments had made her eyes moist and in those moistr eyes she asked him (the brother of the accused) to forgive the sister and relieve her husband form the guilt, so taht he can enjoy his life.
Jodha knew what Bakshi was feeling because during her own "fake pregnancy" track she had no supports except for Salima!
I really don't know, whether Jalal forgave Jodha because of her love for BB, or his love for BB or his love for Jodha or did he really saw that immense love for him in Jodha's eyes which was covered behind the stream of tears and accute pain. But end of the day, he was relieved from the big boulder which had been on his shoulder for a long time and had rushed to his sister in right time to save her from teh great fall. Should I presume this as an indication to the future where he saves her from fall into the trap of Shareef and the supposed to be the loss (wither her child, if she really is pregnant now, or from betreying them again unknowingly with her foolish love for her husband by showing her the true face of SD).
I would have watched it with great interest even if Jodha had talked for few more minutes also as each an dvery word she spoke had volumes of meaning.
Jaya even I thought the Jodha speech was really good. I can't understand why some people are saying the bvhashan was too long!

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Posted: 11 years ago
#99

Originally posted by: MaddyO

Hey everybody just read a post and saw youtube video link

RAHIM IS BACK ON THE SETS WITH JODHA!👍🏼

Does this mean solving of letter MU to come sooon😃😃😃😃😃😃

link of post here
http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3925777

Common CVs, now solve the DHAKKA

🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳
Oh teri!
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: akdha

Hi Mansi, nice post😛 i was not able to reply to the tuesday post😭, my manager gave me loads of work to do, that i was not able to open the forum also, but i have the habit of reading ur posts in the morning before my manager comes😆 and hence i read all ur posts. i was touched on jalal-bakshi scene more. when jalal said aap teek tho ho na, hmmm?? that hmmm made my mouth wide open😆 i saw that scene alone for more than 4 times😳

Hope you don't lose your jjob because of my posts!😆😆😆😆😆😆

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