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Posted: 11 years ago
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Falling in love is like that, enjoying the silences and speaking with eyes. Seeing this beautiful episode, I was reminded of my days of falling in love with my would be spouse, having those flutter like movements in my chest and eyes speaking their own language surrounded by a blanket of comfortable silence around us, and even the simple innocent hand holding was like fire searing through its veins, simply magical and enchanting. I am reliving my memories of that magical moment going backwards in time and loving the present with this beautiful episode and looking forward to Jodha and Jalal's future golden moments.

Thank you for taking the time for penning this magical feeling in words, it is absolutely wonderful.❤️
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Sandhya I have never commented on Ruqu's situation till date and wont do so today either.

But the Q is about Jalal. So just one point - Jalal has always called her his closest friend and that has not changed till now. So just look at his actions as one friend to another. I do think he has never thought of her as a 'woman in love' instead has always looked on her as a 'friend whom he loves and who loves him' - It is a very interesting situation becoz many say that a man and woman can never be friends in the true sense of the word - here Jalal actually thinks of Ruqu as a friend sans gender is my guess whereas Ruqu has gone from a 'friend' state to a 'pyaar karna' state - but I dont think hers is a 'pyaar hai' state - for her Love is doing and not being - and Jalal has gone straight to Love is Being state.

Yes it is sad and unfair but then who said life is fair?!?!?!
Edited by adianasr - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Sandhya.A

Aunty,

Sorry for interposing Ruqaiya in this thread exclusively meant for Jalal-Jodha magic...
But, I recently re-watched the old episodes, where Jalal plays the unfinished chess game with Ruqaiya, that pehli aurat, doosri jawan, teesri Hindustan ke shahenshah ki dil-o-jaan...zid hamara haq hai.
then the one in which that painter is introduced where she says that he doesn't stay much in Agra so she has to be content with his painting most of the time with such a throb in her voice though she is smiling.
(Gulp!...now he is fevicol stuck to Agra😲)
then 'woh begum hi kya jiski apne shohar se shikayat na ho'
the one where she quietly expresses sadness at being called to darbar to be questioned saying that any questioning in public might raise eyebrows on the strength of their relation ...
And of course the last episode of Smiley...her silent tear at his brushing away mohabbat.
Even in the Lavina version, their riddles to each other...where Jalal becomes Rahim's horse and Ruqaiya looks on with tears
During her pregnancy and miscarriage. Even during all these she has always been conscious of her status as chief queen and her being special in Jalal's life.
During the fake pregnancy track when Jalal felt guilty for checking on Ruqaiya's hand for the green bangle and coming out to console her where she wishes best for his child.
In all these, there is warmth, closeness, sentiment, intimacy beyond mere friendship, a genuine care and attatchment for each other, playfulness, teasing, lighter moments like the one we had on Friday too between Jodha and Jalal ...They have shared every good and bad thing in life, every secret, are husband and wife and they almost had a child.
Where did it all go wrong? Why does Jalal suddenly feel lonely? There is no doubt that Ruqaiya loves him like crazy. Where did Jalal fail? When does he change? Certainly not after this poison-drinking. Till this there is nothing exceptional Jo has done for him either.
I would like to have your opinion on this aunty. You always understand boys of this age better.😉 If it could be said that he simply fell in love and behaved and felt like all love-struck boys do, what on earth is the relation he shared with Ruqaiya all these days? Please throw some light on it.
PS: Jalal's attitude to Ruqaiya has always nagged me as I consider him excellent or justified on every other angle. Of course, all this is only upto now. I know very well that Ruqaiya is going to be made into a perfect vamp, all her greyness are going to be made into tar-black from now on... it is essential to make Jalal into a perfect halo-ised one-woman-man to match his halo-ised Jodha Begum as Ruqaiya is the only hitch.

Sorry Sandhya, I am entering your convo. 😕 I wanted to add one point too. Like in the case of Jo, Jallu too at one point was wanting to see if Ruq is feeling jealous. So he has been wanting that too from her.
Despite all this, somewhere I feel that in Ruq-Jallu story, the scenes were mostly from the POV of Ruq and the CVs didn't show more of Jallu's true feelings other than one line that you are my closest buddy. As for Jallu-Jo case, it was more from Jallu's POV (many scenes/flashbacks/his inner feelings being shown to the audience) so maybe Jallu's feelings can be seen more clearly than Jodha's. Again, my opinion only. Hope Aunty responds to this query of yours, as I am also interested in the reply.😛
Edited by Pals2411 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
#84

Originally posted by: Sandhya.A

Aunty,

Sorry for interposing Ruqaiya in this thread exclusively meant for Jalal-Jodha magic...
But, I recently re-watched the old episodes, where Jalal plays the unfinished chess game with Ruqaiya, that pehli aurat, doosri jawan, teesri Hindustan ke shahenshah ki dil-o-jaan...zid hamara haq hai.
then the one in which that painter is introduced where she says that he doesn't stay much in Agra so she has to be content with his painting most of the time with such a throb in her voice though she is smiling.
(Gulp!...now he is fevicol stuck to Agra😲)
then 'woh begum hi kya jiski apne shohar se shikayat na ho'
the one where she quietly expresses sadness at being called to darbar to be questioned saying that any questioning in public might raise eyebrows on the strength of their relation ...
And of course the last episode of Smiley...her silent tear at his brushing away mohabbat.
Even in the Lavina version, their riddles to each other...where Jalal becomes Rahim's horse and Ruqaiya looks on with tears
During her pregnancy and miscarriage. Even during all these she has always been conscious of her status as chief queen and her being special in Jalal's life.
During the fake pregnancy track when Jalal felt guilty for checking on Ruqaiya's hand for the green bangle and coming out to console her where she wishes best for his child.
In all these, there is warmth, closeness, sentiment, intimacy beyond mere friendship, a genuine care and attatchment for each other, playfulness, teasing, lighter moments like the one we had on Friday too between Jodha and Jalal ...They have shared every good and bad thing in life, every secret, are husband and wife and they almost had a child.
Where did it all go wrong? Why does Jalal suddenly feel lonely? There is no doubt that Ruqaiya loves him like crazy. Where did Jalal fail? When does he change? Certainly not after this poison-drinking. Till this there is nothing exceptional Jo has done for him either.
I would like to have your opinion on this aunty. You always understand boys of this age better.😉 If it could be said that he simply fell in love and behaved and felt like all love-struck boys do, what on earth is the relation he shared with Ruqaiya all these days? Please throw some light on it.


I want to add a few words here too, I can't help but always feel bad for ruqaiyaa, the worst part is she can't escape of this relationship and move to a new one..

Actually I fell in love with the ruqaiyaa character initially portrayed by smiley, the characterization was a rare kind in Indian soap history,,but then they realized that if the character goes this way, people would end up being emotionally connected with ruku and won't accept Jo in jalal's life happily, that's the cause they have avoided any kind of physical intimacy with salima too..

But still, I feel sorry for ruku seeing her insecurity, her lonely life, craving for her husband's love..I wish she could move from this relationship to a new one, but it's not possible..
Edited by pallavi003 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
#85
Adi
Even I am concerned more about Jalal. I can never respect him if he spurns an old relationship for the sake of a new one. What does he think about Ruqaiya? That is what I don't understand and want aunty's opinion.
Jalal and Ruqaiya almost had a child. They are certainly not merely friends. Whatever she is Jalal has always encouraged her to be that way. He has always taken her and her loyalty for granted. Jalal has never taken any step to correct or patch up his relationship with her the way he has done with Jodha.
And Pals, you are perfectly right. We have seen Ruq-Jalal relationship only from Ruqaiya's pov and Jo-Jalal relationship from Jalal's pov, not even from Jo's. Hence the curiosity as to what is Jala's view to his relationship with Ruqaiya.
Pallavi, yes Smiley's Ruqaiya is magical. If she had continued, we would have always thought that Jodha is the other woman. May be that is why they replaced her.😕
Edited by Sandhya.A - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: pallavi003


I want to add a few words here too, I can't help but always feel bad for ruqaiyaa, the worst part is she can't escape of this relationship and move to a new one..

Actually I fell in love with the ruqaiyaa character initially portrayed by smiley, the characterization was a rare kind in Indian soap history,,but then they realized that if the character goes this way, people would end up being emotionally connected with ruku and won't accept Jo in jalal's life happily, that's the cause they have avoided any kind of physical intimacy with salima too..

But still, I feel sorry for ruku seeing her insecurity, her lonely life, craving for her husband's love..I wish she could move from this relationship to a new one, but it's not possible..

I am sure Aunty will explain and might have an answer.

What I think is, Jalal got married to Ruq at a very early age when they both didn't know what marriage is.

They grew as friend. Since Jalal actually didn't know what is love(and he used to always say he doesn't have Dil and he believed it).

He might not have dreamt he might fall in love one day and thus had leant to live with what he has. Plus, Ruq is his friend and very intelligent, they shared some kind of bond but not love. But everything changed after he met Jodha. Jalal has always said Ruq to be his friend and kaas Begum. He has always shown to be caring for her, but never love. It's not that their relation has changed now. But its just that he loves Jodha and wants to be with her, thinks about her and gives her importance too. But Ruq is not ignored, he still says Ruq is kaas and am sure he will maintain it. The truth is, Love cannot be forced, it just happens and here Jalal fell in love with Jodha. If you see, he married her due to hatred and wanted to punish her. Yes its a different story that he was fida on her beauty too. But he certainly wanted to punish her and wanted to take her home as some victory award and decorate his haram.

I too feel real bad for Ruq. She does love Jalal but I might be wrong here - but its not selfless love.

If we imagine Ruq to be in Jodha's position(in Ben's case). Instead of Jo knowing about Ben, if Ruq had come to know and Jalal not believing her, would she had drunk that poisoned sevaiah? Would she have sacrificed her life for Jalal?

Ruq might been shown as a grey character in this serial, but I am not sure how the real Ruq was?

Edited by Joja - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Sandhya.A

Adi
Even I am concerned more about Jalal. I can never respect him if he spurns an old relation for the sake of a new one. What does he think about Ruqaiya? That is what I don't understand and want aunty's opinion.
Jalal and Ruqaiya almost had a child. They are certainly not merely friends. Whatever she is Jalal has always encouraged her to be that way. Jalal has never taken any step to correct or patch up his relationship with her the way he has done with Jodha.
And Pals, you are perfectly right. We have seen Ruq-Jalal relationship only from Ruqaiya's pov and Jo-Jalal relationship from Jalal's pov, not even from Jo's. Hence the curiosity as to what is Jala's view to his relationship with Ruqaiya.
Pallavi, yes Smiley's Ruqaiya is magical. If she had continued, we would have always thought that Jodha is the other woman. May be that is why they replaced her.😕


The problem is the other woman factor which actually shd not apply. Whether hindu or muslim - till the law was passed both religions did let multiple wives for men and this was not something new especially in a royal household. Ruqu or Jodha neither can claim exclusive rights on Jalal and nor can Jalal give either exclusive rights. This has a 3 point perspective - How Ruqu accepts Jodha and yet maintains her space? - How Jodha makes her space and yet does not interfere in Ruqu's space? And how Jalal ensures that both his wives have their space with him? Abb yahan all 3 need to make the effort - and neither Ruqu nor Jodha shd impinge on what the other has. And Jalal needs to ensure that one will not loose her space becoz of the space he has given to the other. Abhi tak Jalal has ensured this and I do believe that he will do so in the future. But if Ruqu does impinge on Jodha's space with he will move swiftly just as he did with the hojra issue.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Joja

I am sure Aunty will explain and might have an answer.

What I think is, Jalal got married to Ruq at a very early age when they both didn't know what marriage is.

They grew as friend. Since Jalal actually didn't know what is love(and he used to always say he doesn't have dil).

He might not have dreamt he might fall in love one day and thus had leant to live with what he has. Plus, Ruq is very intelligent, which is an added point.

But everything changed after he met Jodha.

I too feel real bad for Ruq. She does love Jalal but I might be wrong here - but its not selfless love.

If we imagine Ruq to be in Jodha's position(in Ben's case). Instead of Jo knowing about Ben, if Ruq had come to know and Jalal not believing her, would she had drunk that poisoned sevaiah? Would she have sacrificed her life for Jalal?

Ruq might been shown as a grey character in this serial, but I am not sure how the real Ruq was?




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dear i will like to say we can not predict ruqu can't sacrifice her life

becoz even mahamanga has sacrificed her life for saving jalal


when she was running away with baby jalal ,she saved his life by bearing the arrows on her chest



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Posted: 11 years ago
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Ok so am butting in now too.. 😆


I LOVE the character of Ruqaiyya. I too, like all Ruqaiyya fans , first fell in love with Ruqaiyya after seeing Smiley play Ruqaiyya.


She managed to bring such subtle layers to Ruqaiyya that she begun to fascinate me & suddenly!

... I didn't want Jodha anywhere on the Scene. All I wanted was for Jalal to reciprocate her intense yet silent Love for him, for him to read the longing in her eyes & preserve her self-respect, her identity as a woman which was so naturally & completely bound by Jalal's.

But she still possesses all the Hope of Youth with the Entitled Arrogance of Mughal Royalty.

But of course I knew that Jodha HAS to come & steal away Jalal.. Which is why I feel EK had her replaced. People had un-consciously, begun to favour this Ruqaiyya with Jalal & then what would've happened to her Epic Romance?

Another reason why I feel I am sure that Lavina is made to act in such a loud,screechy & almost one-dimensional manner... So that viewers sympathies by default are routed towards Jodha! And it works like a charm , does it not. 😉




Ruqaiyya for me is the one who is trapped. Trapped in a situation, trapped in a relationship, in a marriage with a man that she has come to cherish, come to love passionately & madly, despite her trying NOT TO.

Despite Jalal's repeated , by turns, angry, fierce, subtle, mellow, sad ,declarations of not having a heart, of not believing in Love.. And so Ruqaiyya plods on ,believing the same... And yet, somewhere.. SOMEWHERE, she does not believe so. She knows that within Jalal there beats a heart, but with the naivete of Love, she presumes that if he did, it would belong to her. How can it not? When she has been his life-long & most faithful Companion since childhood?


If I step in Ruqaiyya's shoes , this is what I would feel -

Anger towards Jalal. For not giving me his heart, for taking me completely for granted, for not understanding that my love for Position is somehow, far more intrinsically attached to him than probably anyone, but he, will understand.

Bitterness towards him for cheating me of that very deewangee that I always craved for, yet did not know, but know now.... Towards myself for not letting my relationship stagnate by knocking my head to believe something that I never really did believe - That Jalal has no dil.



Self-loathing, self-pity.



This is what I feel Ruqaiyya would feel & is feeling.




If I was in her place, I would want to burn down the palace, Agra, and everyone who lives there

. I would feel angry; painful anger towards Jalal for DENYING ME what was MINE!

How could he? Can he not see that all these years I've believed a Lie? For his sake? For our relationship? For our Love?


Without realising that it wasn't 'ours'. It was just Mine.




The advantage of having a Painful Heart-Break where your lover leaves you, or cheats on you, are incredibly hard to deal with. But there is always the assurance of a New Day, of a New Beginning.


But, there are far quieter heart-breaks that occur , the kind that take place , every-day, and yet , we don't talk about them or let any-one know.


The kind that fester within, and naturally, cause the heart to ache & the eyes to shed little rivers. The kind where we have to see our Beloved, crying.. But those tears, that pain, that anguish & fear isn't really for me. They are for Her. The Beloved is a Lover, just not mine. 😊

Where does One go from those sort of Heartbreaks?


This , is what awaits Ruqaiyya.



What makes it far more painful & far more painfully difficult for her, is that she doesn't have the advantage of speed, of running away. Where does One run, from One's own family?



Jalal will be very sensitive. By turns, caring & loving.. Which would make it even more painful.









You can hate & harm the Bad, but how can One turn away from the Good?





Edited by Mallika-E-Bhais - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Joja,

Undoubtedly Ruqaiya would have drunk the sewaiyan. Or atleast forced it down the throat of some baandhi, ghulaam or cat or dog. She would have saved Jalal at all costs.
Ruqaiya may be selfish when it comes to anyone, but not to Jalal. As she stated in her letter to Jannat-Aashiyani-Humayun sahib, she has neither known nor cared for anyone other than Jalal.

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