Jodha Akbar 160: Cat and mouse game with the ghrinit jantu - Page 5

Originally posted by: meghanajain

The line below made me laugh, only you can come with such humor Shyamala. But, you are so right. Jalal understands that Jodha is one stubborn lady and does not give up easily. That look may be made him understand that even if I challenge her openly, she will continue with her mission to save him from Ben. Its good that Jalal knows that this stubbornness is not just for him only. As MS informed him in Amer, how Jodha always broke the rules and did what she wanted to do.
I am sure that glare - which she met with an unwavering butter-will-not-melt-in-my-mouth look back till he turned away

I do not want the guilty majnu Jalal either, so am praying that Jo does not get bitten. I would instead like Jalal realizing that Jodha loves her, all the running she did was only because she was very concerned about his life. Then, with his trademark smirks and flirty looks he questions Jodha in every possible way about her feelings.

Originally posted by: sashashyam

Don't fret so much, my dear, and read my comments above re: Salima and Hamida. And Jodha too, of course.

I am delighted to have you here again. Why should you apologise? I would like you to drop in whenever you have the time and the inclination, that is all.

I love your posts, the pleasure is mine actually 😳

I have not watched any of Ekta's serials except Pavitra Rishta. Jodha is like a combo of the 2 paragons there, Archana and Purvi.

No, my dear, given the way in which she got married to him,and the differences of faith, culture and upbringing between them. for Jodha to be blindly and one-sidedly in love with Jalal would not be realistic. It has to come by stages.

I agree, it will and has to come in stages but I do hope that it happens one day and that the bachao Jalal campaign is a step in that direction. But the manner in which the character of Jodha is sketched, I have my doubts. We are more about women standing up for themselves than for giving themselves up for a reason. Both are acceptable ways to be I suppose.

And yes, a man with so many responsibilities and wives can be biased towards and wrapped up one person, one of the aforesaid many wives. Dasharatha was obsessed with Kaikeyi, Jahagir with Nurjahan and Shah Jahan with Mumtaz.

I am not good at history, but I'm sure you know many emperors like Akbar. What I meant was for a ruler like Akbar it seems less plausible to me. But who knows. The kings you mentioned, I do not regard highly as rulers. They were more men who were ruled by their hearts, not Akbar I would presume who was more just. I feel for us as viewers (read me) it would be more acceptable to see Jodhas journey from a repulsed wife to loyal passionate one while Jalal remained the same good man that he always was. Anyway, I cant find the words to express what I'm trying to say here. 😔

As for why Salima falls for Jodha, it is because Jodha is a transparently good person - so instantly loving to little Rahim, which is the surest way to his mother's heart! - and not given to backbiting, plotting and scheming to do others down, or to oneupmanship. It is true that Jodha's goodness and kindness vanish when it comes to Jalal, but when his own mother, Hamida Banu, does not seem bothered about that, why would Salima be bothered an d blame Jodha for that?

I meant if she has reason to believe Jodha, she also has reason to believe Jalal. She also reason to believe Ben is good when she hasn't seen anything yet. So why suspect her? The only thing that makes sense is that she investigates every cause that may be a threat to Jalal. Not necessarily believe Jodha.

But as a mother myself I completely agree with you have said in red.It makes complete sense about why she takes to Jodha.

For Salima, who has been sheltered all her life by Bairam Khan, Jodha must seem like an oasis in the harsh desert of the harem and its squabbling inmates. No wonder she takes to Jodha.

Once again, do not let this show get so much under your skin. It is not worth it.No show is.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: sashashyam

Thank you, Meghana.

I am glad to find someone who is also not at all happy with the Jodha-getting-bitten track. Lashy and the rest have been bombarding me with counter arguments till I have had to duck for cover! I hope the eventual sorting out is less cliched and more elegant.

Originally posted by: sashashyam

Sandhya, now this is not being tenacious, it is being pigheaded!😉

I do not remember about yesterday, for he was already seated in the DEK when they began the session, but in the one with the milk test and the awaam getting after the GJ (ghrinit jantu) there were 2 DEK sessions and each time Jalal lugged his shamsheer along, though I never understand this universal practice in those days for the aristocracy and royalty. As I remember writing to you, even my mother remarked that both tiimes, as he came in, he was carrying it in his right hand,but as soon as he was seated, he switched it to his left.

You have developed selective amnesia, my child!

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: lashy

kuch bhi aunty 😆

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Hmmm waise, can a man not be dignified (and not turn into a doormat) when depicting care towards for his wife and repenting for his recent mistakes... or is that much to ask for? 🤔

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Originally posted by: lashy

Hmmm waise, can a man not be dignified (and not turn into a doormat) when depicting care towards for his wife and repenting for his recent mistakes... or is that much to ask for? 🤔

and cheee...NEVER will I be '' over a romeo Shehenshah who's always ''

I want a guy who's -> 😛 + 😉 + 😎 + on the outside and in the deepest darkest parts of his zehen that only lashy can read 😆

Originally posted by: sashashyam

Thank you, Meghana.

I am glad to find someone who is also not at all happy with the Jodha-getting-bitten track. Lashy and the rest have been bombarding me with counter arguments till I have had to duck for cover! I hope the eventual sorting out is less cliched and more elegant.

Originally posted by: sashashyam

Very nice and elegantly expounded, Adiana. but @blue is not true.

Not only does Jodha constantly assert to others, when it suits her to claim the rank, that she is Shahenshah ki Begum, but she says that to Ruqaiya as well when she is trying to meet Jalal in Ruqaiya's room and is told by her that she is the Begum-e-Khaas. Jodha then retorts I am also his Begum.

She tells Jalal the same thing when she is helping Rahim fly a kite and Jalal comes up to them. She says then I am your begum, and I do not need any reason to meet you and talk to you. Of course that was before The Letter and The Shove.

So Jodha never hesitates to claim her position as his wife when it suits her, but backs off when it comes to fulfilling the responsibilities that go with it.

Today, I do not think she could have asserted herself vis a vis Ruqaiya without descending to an undignified catfight. I think she left gracefully, with her dignity intact, and of course Ruqaiya was appallingly rude.

Jalal would never interfere when 2 women fight over him - not that Jodha was fighting here - he enjoys it. Moreover, the anger against Jodha is still there within him, lurking in the wings.Whence the oblique barb directed at Jodha while being ostensibly meant for Ruqaiya I know that you are really worried about me, you are not just doing it for show. It registers, and there a flicker of hurt in Jodha's eyes.

The main change in Jodha of late it that no matter what Jalal does or how he behaves with her, she does not fume and rage as she used to do. She might wipe away a surreptitious tear, as she did today, but she does not flag in her single minded focus on protecting his life, and as she herself confesses today, she is never upset with him and she continues to fret about his safety.

Baby steps,but she will get there!

I found what Salima tells Hamida - that they should not interfere in the Jalal-Benazir affairs as Jodha was tackling it energetically and she should get the full credit with Jalal for striving so hard to save his life - so stupid as to take one's breath away.

Here is a vishkanya who will look for every opportunity to come close to the Shahenshah and assassinate him,, guards or no guards. Jodha is not a sarvavyapi, so how can she make sure she is around every single time the GJ (ghrinit jantu) makes yet another attempt? Instead of tackling the matter head on, and Hamida Banu is the only one who can do so by right, Salima wants her to back off so that Jodha can get all the credit for trying to protect him. Now how irresponsible and idiotic is that ?

Let us hope they at least manage to exploit the poisoned well revelation properly.

As for Adham Khan, I suspect he is going to try and encourage the GJ on to eliminate Jalal, with the promise that she can then become the Malika thru him! Or else he might ask her to kill Jalal, and offer to help free Abul Malu in return for that.

Anyhow, 2 new and promising developments. Not bad!

Shyamala

Edited by adianasr - 11 years ago

Originally posted by: sashashyam

Thank you, Meghana.

I am glad to find someone who is also not at all happy with the Jodha-getting-bitten track. Lashy and the rest have been bombarding me with counter arguments till I have had to duck for cover! I hope the eventual sorting out is less cliched and more elegant.

Shyamala

Originally posted by: Sandhya.A

🤣. The dunce-headedness of jalal of late is making me pigheaded in frustration.

Yes I rewatched that milk test day entry into the dek. It was there.😲

I must hereafter limit my lament to its having become a decorative addendum to his shaahi libaas like his pearls and opulent coat and nothing more than that.😕

I was shocked at salima/hb to allow continued danger to jalal so that jo will get complete credit. Of all hb's partiality to her bahu and lack of concern for her son this was the worst. The real hb must also be squirming in her grave now.

Why does jalal enjoy bickering between his wives over him? Feeling important? Silly. Even earlier he used to tell ruqaiya 'jalna chaahiye'. Yesterday he was so pleased.

Aunty, you probably didn't see my response in pg 2 or may be you didn't like it. 😕

And who is this Kamaal Khan that GJ went to meet? Has he been mentioned earlier? And how will he know how to free abul mali? And how has abul mali made arrangement for kk and gj to meet? Well in the mughal prison anything is possible though.

Originally posted by: Ariel

Hi Adiana,

I love your take on this. But I'm hesitant to take it seriously. I think CVs write things and then forget about it.

He did this to Ruqs too. There was a time when he taunted her about her being jealous and when she said no I'm not jealous he said to her that she should be jealous. All that needless taunting led to nothing and we never got an explanation for it. Even at that point he seemed very much like he was urging to Ruqs to take their relationship beyond friendship. And she never got the point.

I always wondered why he pretended to not sense what Ruqs feels for him. I was hoping that was what it (i mean taunting) would lead to and him saying he regrets never giving her the love of a husband but alas that was not to be.

So I am hesitant to think that he is really giving her a third chance. He is in love when CVs say he is and the same goes for Jodha. It will be sudden, much like the bachao Jalaal campaign. 😕

Sorry if a sound like a buzzkill. I would be happy to be wrong.