Jodha Akbar 155: Dawnbreak ahead, or a mrigtrishna? - Page 23

Originally posted by: Sandhya.A

Trips

Just as aunty has said, it could have meant a whole lot of other failings, and he lists two after that - the Shivani and the Benazir ones - which only reinforce my point that at least Jalal wanted to drive home the point that he was not talking solely about marital relations.

What has she done as a begum/biwi - except for cooking a lunch and singing a song? She has always shown him disrespect and taunted him, terribly in private and sometimes in public too. And most of her taunts have been false accusations.

If she reached out to him in BB affair, it was because she was involved and felt guilty of all her false accusations. She didn't help him in Ruqaiya affair till Ruqaiya blasted at her for double standards. She has never reached out to him for his sake at all.

She has never made him comfortable around her . Whenever he enters her kaksh - it has always been Shahenshah ...aap is waqt yahan? Even when he comes to thank her for the birthday gift it was the same question. And this was AFTER the fake pregnancy track. Even if Ruqaiya screeched at first, she did comfort him to sleep the other day. What little comforts has Jo ever offered?

It is Begum ka farz to blend with her shaahi family. But she has not accepted anything of his. Even the one day that she wore the Mughal libaas, she declared that it was ONLY for Ammijaan

After all this, and the shove and the Shivaani fiasco, when she declares, patni-pati kartavya , such wth reactions are natural.

Moreover Jodha has made more public display of boudoir happenings. On day 1 of their marriage she demanded a separate tent. On the way to Ajmer too she discussed it with some strange daasi. On the thunderstorm night when she stomped out, the whole group who was present in DEK yesterday was also present, from Atga sahib, to AK to all the ladies. So their boudoir happenings wasn't a secret exactly to these people. Actions speak louder than words. So he wasn't letting slip a breaking news in anger yesterday. Was he? Though I did feel uncomfortable at the mention yesterday, from his pov, it is not a sin afterall.

Originally posted by: Sandhya.A

I take this as a compliment aunty🤪 But whatever, I also admit that it is true 😆and I completely agree with you that we ARE fretting and spending more time on the serial than it deserves. I have already received hearty disapprovals at home.😭

The only other time I used to fret over something it was the Harry Potter Series. Having liked Snape from the start I was aghast at the Half Blood Prince. I read it and re-read it to find some loop to justify Snape. My only hope lay with Dumbledore's last words...Severus ...please. Dumbludore was not a man who would plead to be spared. I was relieved only when I read the final book .

But that was a highly logical series with steady characterisations despite the bizzaire premises. But this serial has been so inconsistent in the characterisations that we cannot apply logic to it at all and we are still trying to draw as much sense out of it as possible!😲 I seriously am thinking that I must ration the time I spend on this show

Originally posted by: Sandhya.A

Originally posted by: Bobby13

Dear Sandya, You too are Harry Potter series fan? I liked that series so much. We can probably talk about Harry Potter instead of Jodha Akbar (Just kidding 😊).

Originally posted by: sashashyam

Sandhya dear, you know that I would agree with you on all the rest, so I need not say that.

This is about Severus Snape, who single-handedly redefined love and made even a hardboiled character like me weep at the end of The Prince's Tale. Even earlier, in fact, when the dying Snape looks at Lily's green eyes in Harry's face.

Now that is love. Remember the time when Dumbledore, after seeing that Snape's Patronus is also a silver doe,the same as Lily's, asks him After all these years, Severus? And he answers Always.

I do not know if you have read Dickens' A Tale of Two Cities. Sydney Carton there, who dies on the guillotine to save the husband of the girl he loves, is often rated as the epitome of selfless love. Snape does something much, much harder than dying for his love. He lives for it, as a double agent in the most spinechilling of conditions, year after year, hated and reviled by those who knew not what he was and what he was doing. No wonder Harry's second son, the one with the green eyes. is Albus Severus, in honour of "the bravest man I have ever known".

And no, the premises of the Harry Potter series were anything but bizarre. In fact it was a completely internally consistent alternate world, far better than those of Philip Pullman, for example.

Shyamala Aunty

Shyamala Aunty

Jodha Akbar 158: Matters of the heart

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/100097570

Originally posted by: divyavm

Dear Shyamala Aunty,

My name is Divya and I have been following your posts and the forum for a while but have been able to participate only now as I am on leave from a very time consuming job. My timing couldn't have been worse given the current track. However, I have always loved your posts for their depth and your perspective, especially how a sixteenth century king should be portrayed and treated.

Your defense of Jalal's actions is very accurate as a sixteenth century shehenshah- he should not put up with a rude wife, can be with and marry whomever he likes, etc. My concern is that it doesn't gel with the image of Jalal that the CVs have built for this show and I think that is what bothers me.

The characters of Jalal and Jodha have been tampered with to suit 21st century sensibilities from the beginning. Jalal is shown less ruthless and more patient than in reality, and Jodha more strong willed and independent to the extreme.

This is why I was not at all pleased with Jalal's behavior over the past few days because the CVs have gone against whatever they built of his character over the past few months:

- the CVs portrayed him as a king who promised his wife not to touch him ( I know they never showed that scene- maybe they forgot we saw that scene only in the movie and not the serial but given everyone has seen the movie it is now known as fact). As a character who keeps his promises, Jalal kept this promise. Now, how can he hold it against Jodha that she did not due any of her wifely duties. Either he makes the promise or does not. If he was a true sixteenth century king he would have never made the promise so how can he suddenly behave like a pure 16th century king today.

- and this show's Jalal not only respects Jodha's wishes on this point but Salima as well in this show, agreed that Salima was willing to do whatever he wanted as a wife but that is besides the point- it is more Jalal's behavior In is manner, I don't think Jalal would ever say that Salima did not perform her wifely duties.

- a 16th century king would force Jodha to change religions and not give up his throne but not the Jalal of this show because he is a man of his word and made a promise to retain her religion. I don't see this as him having a soft corner for Jodha.

- the CVs have shown him as very smart and calculative and this is where I think I agree with the entire forum that the fact that he does not know Ben is a spy and how he was deceived by Ben yesterday as an insult to the intelligent Jalal the CVs created.

I know that you are not a big fan of Jodha's character and to be honest there are times I was surprised by Jodha's coldness and rudeness- especially during Sukanya's wedding track especially when she should have been apologetic after the Mohan tiger attack. The only thing I would say is that would say that Jodha was always shown as independent and strong willed then a real sixteenth century even before her marriage. One scene that comes to mind was when she stopped her father from killing Abdul - her dad asked her to go back and she refused. The CVs always wanted to show her that way because the typical tv viewer wants the heroine to embody what she dreams to be - standing up for herself, independent, victorious. That is the state of Indian TV for better or worse.

If I looked at it from a sixteenth century sense, I would absolutely agree that Jalal is in the right and Jodha in the wrong. However, based on the show, this Jalal is not the one I have grown to like and respect and has gone completely against his character. And I have gotten used to this strong willed Jodha as well - though I am glad she has realized that there are some things that are more important than her swaabhimaan.

I also do not want Jalal to become a puppy dog in love as this would also go against the character they built.

So in conclusion, if my ramblings made any sense, I am mad that the CVs have gone against the characters they have built and concerned this trend will continue. The CVs were never true to the sixteenth century norms so I cannot be mad at them when they go against it nor justify their actions when they are in line with them- isn't that why they have a full 30 second disclaimer. I just want them to be consistent with themselves- is that too much to ask?

Just wanted to share my thoughts as I realized why this track and Jalal's behavior was bothering me so much.

Divya

Originally posted by: Mallika-E-Bhais

Originally posted by: vinitaj27

"This is not the desperate fear of a woman out to save the life of the man she loves. While Jalal will not accept to himself that he loves Jodha, Jodha has, as yet, no idea she is moving towards that most uncomfortable state of being.

It remains to be seen for how long she is safe from that. For love is rarely a bed of roses. It brings insecurity, vulnerability, and often great grief, more often that it brings roseate happiness. As I wrote earlier, when love comes, it is mostly not cock a hoop with fine feathers, but slowly, dragging itself on bleeding feet."

Loved the way u described love. It's true while jalal is not ready to accept the fact that he has a heart, jodha is still not close to even entertaining the thought of being in love. It will be interesting to see not only how they will come to accept being in love but also how the relationship will progress once they confess as both will be taking baby steps on a path never travelled before

Originally posted by: sashashyam

Dear Tripti,

Remember the time when he kneels in that old deserted house, that of the Blacks, if I am not mistaken, and tears off the half of Lily's letter, the half with her picture in it? It gave me goose pimples.

Shyamala Aunty

Oh me too, aunty!!!

And the time when he grabs hold of Harry in the hut that Voldemort had just left from, and asks him in a whisper, "look at me."

So that his last glimpse could be a pair of those beautiful green eyes.

That scene was so clear & was brought to life right in front of my mind's eye! That one gave me goose-bumps too!

He was a horrible person and yet, yet yet.. Losing the one person who he Loved beyond measure, made him that person. Made him nearly as or rather, far better than Lily!!

It is as the late Pope John Paul 2 said ( and for some reason I am reminded of it right now) ...

"In the Designs of Providence, there are no mere coincidences." 😊