hakim in jodha's room?

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aanchal_c

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Posted: 11 years ago

since other than the shehenshah no other man is allowed in the harem how come hakim was in jodha's room?wont jalal mind this if he came to know of this...

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Ananya

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Posted: 11 years ago

Even I found that very improbable. No men, even male relatives, are not allowed inside. And here we have Hakim and Jodha having chit-chat at night in Jodha's room.

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AbHer_neha

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Posted: 11 years ago

Me thought the same...it was a blooper as today only they showed Ben-Zakira conversation where Zakira said no man is allowed to enter the haram except Shehensaha...and after that they are showing this aur woh bhi raat ko bhabhi k room me devar...it looks inappropriate if we talk abt 16th century.

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Mihrimah Ahmed

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Posted: 11 years ago

Hakim is a baccha...I dont think he will mind...

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aanchal_c

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Posted: 11 years ago

hakim is almost the same age as maan singh,when maan singh isnt allowed why will hakim be allowed.

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myviewprem

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Posted: 11 years ago

i think close male are allowed like son, brother, father

how can they not be allowed to speak or meet babhi's, mothers and daughter-in-laws?

although men lived seperately after age of 14 in men's chambers i think close family like i mentioned above could go and meet

Will salim, murad, daniyal not go meet their mothers after they become big by that logic 😕

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aanchal_c

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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: myviewprem
i think close male are allowed like son, brother, father

how can they not be allowed to speak or meet babhi's, mothers and daughter-in-laws?

although men lived seperately after age of 14 in men's chambers i think close family like i mentioned above could go and meet

Will salim, murad, daniyal not go meet their mothers after they become big by that logic 😕

u've got a point.

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Ananya

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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: myviewprem
i think close male are allowed like son, brother, father

how can they not be allowed to speak or meet babhi's, mothers and daughter-in-laws?

although men lived seperately after age of 14 in men's chambers i think close family like i mentioned above could go and meet

Will salim, murad, daniyal not go meet their mothers after they become big by that logic 😕

could be, perhaps. They would be allowed to meet their mothers, aunts, grandmothers etc. But they couldn't have had free access to the harem at large. Before you knew, the sons, brothers etc would be sharing people like benazir among themselves along with the Shahenshah. 😆

Bhabhis and devars meeting alone at night would cause a furore even now.

Allowing a devar meet the bhabhi-jaan in harem at night won't be kind of toeing the line at that time?

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myviewprem

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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: ann2012

could be, perhaps. They would be allowed to meet their mothers, aunts, grandmothers etc. But they couldn't have had free access to the harem at large. Before you knew, the sons, brothers etc would be sharing people like benazir among themselves along with the Shahenshah. 😆

Bhabhis and devars meeting alone at night would cause a furore even now.

Allowing a devar meet the bhabhi-jaan in harem at night won't be kind of toeing the line at that time?

You are right what are body gaurds there for in harem? To provide all this info like who went to meet whom and when etc

I am sure these gaurds and a few spies would keep watch on emperors relatives too?

Pls this Devar babhi relation of jodha-hakim is pure. Its not like both are after each other. If your heart is pure why not meet Devar or bhabhi in harem only?

Akbar understands that because i had read that Akbar took some of his best friends like Ram Singh Maharaja of Rewa to harem to meet his wives/family etc.

Benazir kind of dancers/bandi's is different matter. Pls do not compare them to wives of emperor. That was 16th century all men knew where to draw lines and maintain family relationships atleast.

Like that Akbar himself married Daulatshad by making her divorce her nobel husband in delhi. In those times girls were not simply saying stay behind curtains/veils men were scared what if a powerful man sees his wife, sister, daughter and wants her and just snatches her. There was no police and law in those times that you could go and file complaints against powerful people like akbar himself may be. Even today powerful people in position cannot be questioned if they do such things and will not be punished in many countries including india. Imagine 16th century? They were anarchy times really and sacry too. Its not about woman's rights but safety of life first.

But to answer your question on salim he need not ever go to harem his mom, salima, ruqu and hamida all three moms and grand mom whom he loved had their seperate palaces and did not live in harem anyways. He could just go and meet them in those palaces. If i am not wrong his mom lived in that Jehangir palace at agra fort with him. That is the one palace still in good condition in agra fort.

Another point to note when Daniyal and Murad died their wives and children came under Jehangir's care and they all lived with Jehangir at agra fort/lahore forts/delhi fort/kabul fort(not in harem) in palaces wherever he went. Jehangir also acted in place of father in marriage ceremonies/school going cermonies of his brother's kids as they were given in his custody after their father's death. So he was like family head of a joint family in his family. Definetly that role would have made him interact with his bhabhi's. So this rule was not followed that strictly.

Indeed when Daniyal died at Deccan his family stayed at Allahabad fort where Jehangir was subedhar on way to agra. Jenhagir's conflict had just started with Akbar at that time as he was 30-31. And for majority of his rebellion his wives/kids stayed at agra for not with him in allahabad but with akbar. So all these harem rules etc devar- bhabhi cannot meet rules were not for close family atleast not sons, brothers, fathers etc. Otherwise Salim would not sit peacefully at allahabad in rebellion while majority of his wives/kids was in agra if their life was in danger. He knew they will be taken care off even if he was away.

Edited by myviewprem - 11 years ago