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Posted: 11 years ago
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aunty, great work..⭐️ and friday was a special episode made by jalal aka Rajat's speech at it's end to his awaam..👍🏼..it was fantastic, appropriate, emotional, heart wrenching,.
And as you pointed out in your last post that jodha and jalal are incomparable, hence how Jodha sees a thing is not how Jalal sees it, if she forgives BB, she needn't to give any explanation to anyone, hence she must never have pondered on this fact that Jalal can't take so lightly this issue, otherwise he have to give explanation for this,as he is the law n order of this whole empire..

she is very naive in politics, almost zero knowledge in it, hence most of the time zeroed in on problems herself that so unknowingly, and so is not strategist at all, that thus not mean she is idiot, no,

she is very intelligent, but what she needs a mentor badly who can guide her in making strategies to get her work done,how she wants, and I don't find anyone better than MA as a mentor in this,and hence she should spend more time with MA than HB , who good for nothing only does pampering her ..😉

actually this serial has chosen a backdrop of 16th century but the leads are from 21st century it seems, that's why so much contradiction on Jodha's behavior,😕,

one more thing sujamal betrayed her and her family but he is not the only member in her family whom she loves and respect, yes she loves and respects him more than her other brothers but he is not the only one, and neither he directly betrayed jodha, he betrayed the king on the throne,that is Bharmal, and Jodha has other family members who love her very much, laugh with her, cry with her, a very loving and supportive family,

where as BB may be the only one Jalal loved unconditionally,truly, whole heartedly.. No other in his family is sympathetic to him except maham and maham also doesn't love him selflessly. And since his childhood he has always lived under threat untill he raised to the throne as the king..He has very few one whom he can trust and among them most probably three persons he loved till now, BB, maham and Bairam khan, and BB directly back stabbed him.Hence his pain and her pain are again incomparable..
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Phewww...you really write a THSIS & I ove it.😛.Thank you so much..🤗
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Shyamala ma'am

Watching Jodha i feel like this..
Even Rahim has more brain cells working than she does!😲😆

No wonder Ruqaiyya is nt worried about her..🥱...she is equal to 10 Jodha begums😆

I'm not surprised this is Jodha Jalal love story...she is the only one of his begums who doesn't make him 'think'...men hv a hard time understanding women na?🤣
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Posted: 11 years ago
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nice post aunty...
rajat is always great as jalal ..


paridhi is too wonderful but jodha's character does not have much variations till now


i wish they improvise jodha so that paridhi can show her full talent like rajat


for me both rock



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Posted: 11 years ago
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lovely post was missing ur post n was thinking how were aunty !
hope ur keepin in good health!

n coming to the epi i liked the speech of jalal to his awhaam !

n the constant turmoil of king u xplained the judgement part nicely all laws of muslims n courts how vast knowledge u have 👏

and precap even i had same thoguhts jodha begum on mission phd on love hehe
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Shymala,
All I have to is with reagd to Jodha's aquired intelligence on Love. You have covered the other parts to full extent that there is no scope to write anything further.
I have no objection in her forgiving bakshi Banu as she knew very well that she is Jalal's adorable sister and he will be devasted if she had to go through any hard punishment as only punishment for that crime in those days is death sentense which she could not give it to Bakshi Banu or to any other human being to that fact. We have seen her kindness to living beings which almost caused Jalal's death. So I am not at all surprised and even today, we have been taught the forgiveness is teh best punishment you can render to any (offcourse may not to criminals) culprit as that will make the man to remeber his crime through out his life and how he was pardoned, which results in reformation.
However her judgement relieved all and one in the courtroom, be it Hamida who was clutching her fist for the judgement on her daughter's crime or Maham who was aware of Jalal's inner turmoil which might have dropped him down to earth, had she proclaimed death sentence or anything to that effect.
Once in her room, the moment Jalal entered, she gave him to lecture on Love and its effects and how a person in love will lose his sense of reasoning and just think and act according his/her loved one. It was like theone in love will act like a programmed robot which doesn't have its own mind and hence eben if it commits a mistake, one should not punish it and that too when is has lost its creater as well as its patron. He as a patron should overlook the crime and recharge it with addional battery power (forgiveness & love)
Coming precap: I am don't think Jodha here is teaching or questioning the love quotient of Ruqaiya towards Jalal. Looks liek Ruqiaya would have quaestioned her about how could her forgive BB when she had wronged not only her but also Shehanshah. I think she is using ruqaiya's love theory as simili to comape bakshi Banu's love towards Shariffuddin and in a way boosting Bakshi's love for Sharif as greater compared to Ruqaiya's love for Jalal as she feels that Even Ruqaiya's love are based on reasoning and with allotted quota like (teh way she told Salima Begum about her liking towards her first fiance SuryBhanu), she loves him 20% sisnce he is her child hood friend, another 20% since he is her husband 50% since he is the king and the rest of 10% since he gave her power in the harem. So once Ruqaiya is out with her answer, our aspirant student of lovology will proclaim her judgement that BB's loves for Sharif is above all this as she loves him as her husband and can go to any extent to have him and safeguard him.
Jaya

Originally posted by: sashashyam

Folks,

No, no, I do not mean to sound pompous by quoting a Latin tag - it means The Emperor reigns supreme - but somehow I love the word Imperator, so do bear with me!

As for our own Shahenshah, unki hukumat to na sirf unki riyaya ke dil aur zehen par hai, jaise unhon ne farmaya, par hum jaise anginat darshakon ke dil aur zehen par bhi hai. After watching Rajat's Jalal, on Friday last, sweep all before him despite the complex and demanding script, I was simply mesmerized.

By episode end, I had all but forgotten that there was a Rajat. For me, and I am sure for many of you as well, there was only Jalaluddin Mohammed, Shahenshah-e-Hind. Which is the ultimate compliment you can pay an actor.

Jalal explaining in the Diwan-e-Khas , with painful but candid dignity, why he was recusing himself from sitting in judgment on his sister's crime. Visibly struggling, as he called on Jodha Begum to pronounce judgment in his stead, to veil the trauma of betrayal by perhaps the only one whom he had ever loved, unreservedly, deeply, truly.

Jalal in Jodha's rooms, deeply troubled, his zehen wracked by bitter anger, unable in the end to hold back his tears as he insists that he can never forgive Bakshi Banu for what she had done.

Finally Jalal, because he feels it to be his duty to prevent Jodha Begum from becoming the subject of salacious and defamatory gossip across the empire, battling overt grief and hidden hurts that constrict his throat, for an unprecedented face to face with his riyaya, his awaam.

On Friday, the Shahenshah was, as Jodha would have said in her shudh sanskritised Hindi, sarvavyaapi. Wherever you turned, there was only Jalal. A Jalal angry, but even more so, distraught and devastated by the most painful of betrayals - like Julius Caesar. who exclaimed, when he saw his dearest friend Brutus stabbing him, Et tu, Brute? Then fall Caesar! Achingly lonely and bleeing inside, but yet somehow dredging up the strength to live up to the image of the Shahenshah that his awaam expects of him. And even amidst such personal despair, finding it in him to go out of his way to protect the wife who, he believes, cares nothing for him or worse.

Hamari riyaya hamari aulad hai: They used to say of Mahatma Gandhi that he could draw millions into a circle with him. Jalauddin Mohammed that day might not have managed millions, and then the distance, literal and psychological, between the emperor and the awaam in those days was huge and almost unbridgeable.

It was thus all the more remarkable that Jalal too could, in those few brief moments, with words so simple and direct and sincere, draw the mass of his subjects into his inner world. To take them into his confidence. To communicate to them both his sorrow at having been deprived, for so long, of the joys of fatherhood, and his stoic acceptance of whatever the Almighty might have in store for him. To speak to them from his heart about his hopes that had been dashed, about his fear that what he sought so desperately might never be his. And all this without any holding back, any sense of shame, any false pride.

Above all, in the final, climatic affirmation - that it mattered not if Jalaluddin was childless, since an emperor, whose riyaya were all his children, his janasheen, could never be beaulad - Jalal's peroration reached heights of eloquence and conviction worthy of the great orators of ancient Greece and Rome, of a Demosthenes or a Cicero.

Indeed, as there was , in this emperor reaching out to his subjects. no striving for effect, no attempt to make an impression, he was far more more appealing, far more touching than those legends could ever have been.

And this all the more as he made no attempt to maintain the traditional imperial stoicism, no attempt to hide the grief that pervaded his zehen. Instead, he literally bared his soul to his people, heedless of the likely pity that so proud a ruler would resent. Heedless of those who might mock him for a supposed lack of manliness, or those who might, as he said, rejoice at his loss.

There could not have been a single dry eye in his audience as his voice finally died away, and he turned to one side, surreptiously wiping away a rebellious tear that clouded his vision. There surely was no dry eye among his court (bar only Adham Khan).

Jalal probably did not see it, nor was he, lost in his own thoughts, looking for it. But as Jodha Begum, for whose sake he had done all this, wiped her own tears and looked up at him with unfeigned admiration and pride in eyes that glowed like stars, I was reminded once more of what Cleopatra had once said to Julius Caesar, with the same admiration and the same pride, but also with deep love. But for you, the world is full of little men.

Maybe Jodha is not yet quite where Cleopatra was, but she has taken her first step on the path that leads there. And I, remembering all that she had said and done which had constantly set my teeth on edge in recent weeks, was duly grateful.

In the Diwan-e-Khas and later: The opening sequence, which saw Jalal ceding to the main affected pary, Jodha Begum, his judicial powers, as the Shahenshah, to pronounce sentence on Bakshi, was perhaps less dramatic than the closing opening up to the awaam, but it was, in its own way, as emotionally powerful and, for Jalal, emotionally draining.

One could see that in every frame as Jalal stood up to explain why his sister was now being judged for a crime, and then why he was not judging her himself but commanding Jodha Begum to do so. It was visible in his lowered eyes, in his straining to appear at least partly normal, to retaint the aura of an emperor who has to be above all sentiment, above all ties of blood and affection, when he ascends the throne and becomes solely a dispenser of justice.

That he chooses not to do that is not - as Hamida Banu states with characteristic lack of understanding, whether of her son or of the issues involved- that the Shahenshah in him has not been able to prevail over the brother. It is rather that for the Shahenshah, the imperative of not just doing justice, but being seen to do so, is paramount. If he were to decide the case himself, no matter how harsh the sentence he pronounces, keeping in mind that Bakshi Banu has no blood on her hands, the feeling will always linger among the awaam that he let her off lightly because she is his sister. There being no way of proving a negative, this impression would have remained as a black mark on his reputation.

Moreover, as I had mentioned in my last post, there is , in Islamic jurisprudence, the option, even in cases of murder, of a compromise settlement between the accused and the victims of the crime, even a full pardon, which can then be approved by the court.

So what Jalal does here is neither irregular nor extraordinary. Nor is the reason that he advances for it at all flimsy, and in fact it is the only logical course for him to take in order to preserve an image of strict impartiality. Even today, in the courts, no judge will hear a case in which he has any personal interest, such as the defendant being a close relative or friend.

A 16th century Portia ?: Jodha's preamble, the sentence she pronounces (after the mandatory suspense, while they show the reaction shots of everyone present ), and her final explanation of the sentence, as it is called in legal parlance, were all done very well, with compelling dignity and lucid eloquence. Paridhi looked lovely - sunny yellow seems to suit her the best - and put up a very convincing performance.

As for the rationale Jodha advances for her pardoning Bakshi Banu outright, and, in effect, letting go scot free, it sounds lofty and superficially convincing. It may or may not hold in this particular case - though I am pretty sure Bakshi Banu, if she were once more in Sharifuddin's orbit, would soon revert to her old, slavishly obsessed wife pattern, ready, as she says herself, to kill for him.

The point is that Jodha sees the redemptive power of forgiveness not as something applicable in this one case because of the circumstances, but as a general and universally valid principle, which it most assuredly is not.

Interpreting it thus would knock the bottom out of the entire judicial system and the very concept of crime and punishment. In fact, most hardened criminals, and criminals in the making like Sharifuddin or Adham Khan or Mahaam Anga, would laugh their heads off at such indiscriminate generosity, and promptly take advantage of it, only to revert to type very soon.

Not that Jodha, with her limited vision, can be expected to understand any of this. It is curious, however, seeing that she must have been used, even back in tiny Amer, to harsh punishments for traitors or even spies, witness Bharmal condemning Abdul to beheading without an instant's hesitation. Jodha was able to rescue him only on what would be called a technicality, not by citing the sweeping principle she enunciates now.

Bakshi Banu's crime is no less than treason, and she is also, indirectly, the cause of the murder of the Hakima. In fact, if the Hakima had managed to tear off her veil the first time, Bakshi Banu, with images of her husband being executed by Jalal flashing thru her mind, would very likely have stabbed the Hakima in blind panic. There is no one so violent as a weak person who has been cornered. But the gravity of even what she did do, which is considerable, does not seem to weigh with Jodha.

It was precisely this kind of self-indulgent leniency which led Prithviraj Chauhan to not even imprison the defeatedMohammed Ghori, but let him go home, only to have him return the very next year, 1192 AD, defeat Prithviraj, and wreak unimaginable horrors on the population across North India. It is typical of our national psyche and our passion for being thought of as mahaan that he is never criticized for this irresponsibility which had such horrendous consequences for his subjects.

Jodha and Jalal: I was not overly impressed with the follow up scene in Jodha's rooms, where Jalal questions the rationale for Jodha's pardoning Bakshi Banu. She parrots what Salima and Bakshi Banu herself told her earlier, like a lesson learnt by heart, as if it was Holy Writ, while the fact is that she does not know anything about what she asserts with such assumed certitude.

What is more, she ends up portraying Bakshi Banu to a mindless puppet, which she most definitely is not, neither now, nor when she lied about her husband's role in the Ratanpur fort fraud. Both times, she is perfectly conscious of what she is doing, and this time she is, moreover quite ready to take the initiative and prepare more of the ark for spiking Jodha's food and drink. Is this a poor, helpless, manipulated wife, or a willing accomplice currying favour with her husband?

Most serious of all, Jodha's argument, that a woman's blind adoration of an evil and manipulative husband is enough of an extenuating circumstance for pardoning her even a deliberate and serious crime, amounts to a complete negation of the universal moral and legal principle of personal responsibility for one's acts. This sort of exemption is valid only for a child, not for a grown up, twice married woman.

Moreover, for Jodha to equate her relationship with Bakshi Banu, the nanad with whom she has had barely a few cordial meetings, with Jalal's lifelong bond of deep and protective love and caring, and using this false equation to demand that as she has forgiven Bakshi Banu, so should he, is nonsense. That she even advances this thesis, and does not have a word of understanding or empathy to offer about the depth of Jalal's grief at the betrayal he has suffered, only reinforces what I had written in my last post.

"Jodha clearly has no notion of what Jalal is going thru, of how his innermost feelings are being put thru a wringer. She does not have the imagination, the perceptiveness, to feel his anguish ... She cannot understand how it feels to be betrayed by a dearly loved sister, the terrible sense of alienation that it creates; she sees it simplistically, as a case to be solved by magnanimous forgiveness".

So, when he turns away to hide his helpless tears, she interprets that by her lights, as proof that he loves Bakshi Banu regardless of whatever she might have done and will soon pardon her. She cannot see that while he might well still love his sister, his tears are an expression of a pain too deep to hide, and a heart too lacerated to heal any time soon. That there are hurts that are too visceral to be healed by facile, pious pronouncments.

The only lasting foundation of true love is understanding and empathy, which in turn means the ability to see situations thru the eyes of the other. As far as Jalal is concerned, Jodha, as of now, has neither. I am left wondering as to how and when this state of affairs is going to be remedied.

The precap: I was bemused by the vision of Jodha, who till the day before was affirming to all and sundry that she has nothing but ghrina for her imperial husband, lecturing and quizzing Ruqaiya, who has been thru thick and thin with Jalal from the time she was a child, about the nature of her love for him. It sounded most presumptuous and ill-advised, and no wonder that Ruqaiya reacts so sharply.

But then I read Ritu99's delightful thread, and light dawned on me. Obviously apni Jodha is now a PhD candidate, and the subject of her thesis is The varying kinds of love. Do look up Ritu's thread at http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3822097.

Shyamala B.Cowsik

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Excellent points by all no matter where you stand or who you support, if we take it all sportively it is all in good fun and guess how boring would be if we all thought the same thing.

I see a few posts have touched on Jodha's inability to understand what Jalal is going thru in regards to the betrayal of his sister, she didn't spare him a few words or thoughts in this matter. Obviously her comparing her relation to Bakshi to what Jalal shares with his sister was done in poor taste by Jodha. That is a smack my forehead moment. I think CVs are trying to maintain a record, there should be one silly Jodha moment in every episode where we have to go oh thou Jodha why are you so tactless.

Ok lets overlook all this but I am certainly confused someone clarify this for me is Jodha questioning about the importance and impact of love. Ok my brain is rewinding here has everyone forgotten the crucial scene where Jalal is punishing Farida and we had a Jodha parallel scene where she talks about love and how it is the be all and end all of life. So what happened to that Jodha exactly, her never been in love is one issue, but are we to now assume she is so clueless about the subject of love itself that she has to go to Salima for answers. That is what irked me about the scene between Jodha and Jalal. Jodha rushes to Salima for answers and she reiterates that to the Shehenshah on a matter she just got schooled 10 seconds ago completely wrecked the emotional weight of that scene for me. I saw no heart in Jodha no emotion it is like she was regurgitating someone else's preachings. I wish they cut the Salima scene out and had Jodha do some inner reflections of her own thoughts. But from what we know of her she understands true love very well and then if they shot that scene with Jalal it would have had a different impact. Oh how tragic were those tears in Jalal eyes timed perfectly as it slid down his cheek, perfect expressions he couldn't have conveyed his pain in anymore grievous fashion. This goes to show you even an emperor can cry, it doesn't take anything away from his aura.

The last scene the big speech off the balcony. Every great emperor is got to have one such scene, I knew Jalal turn was coming I just didn't know when but friday the moment was upon us. If we listen to this speech Jalal has made some significant clarifications. He starts off with talking about his responsibilities as an emperor stating in no uncertain words that he has always fulfilled them obviously this leading into his next statement of not providing an heir which is also one of his main responsibilities as king, heir means stability. He sets the stage for declaring he is not to be a father, no heir is coming anytime soon, he doesn't sound apologetic that he has failed them in this regard and assures them there is nothing to be sad about. This leads in to the final moment of his speech where he feels no such loss as for a king his praja are his children. I had a total Raja Ram feeling here as that was one of Ram's standing glories highlight of his Raj Dharm, fictional he might be but he exemplified the motto of prajja hamari santhan hai ideology. I must admit that I was slightly taken back how great this speech was because i was anticipating such a speech before Jalal gets named Akbar. But nevertheless this means we have more great speeches to look forward to hurrah for us.
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My dear, as usual, I agree with you 101%. So there is nothing much for me to comment on.

I particularly liked your stand on the Jodha-BB and Jalal-BB equation, which is meaningless and unfeeling. In any case, Jodha does not understand complex characters at all. She and Hamida are the perfect match.

I am with you on the regurgitation business, which could so easily have been made both thoughtful and plausible. As it was, it was neither.

Plus, I do not at all buy this Love made me commit this crime, so it is not really my fault argument. At this rate, everyone would trot it out and go free!

As for the end peroration, it was magnificent, and your comparison with Lord Rama's attachment to his subjects is an apt one. But if it was so breathtaking, it was Rajat as Jalal who made it so. The voice control, to produce the effect of speech suspended by a throat choked with grief, the sudden pauses and suspension of all action as he struggles to get hold of himself, the high pitched emphasis on the clinching, ringing pronouncement - it was a master class in emoting and he did himself proud. It gave me goose pimples.That is why I spent as much time parsing his performance as praising it!

Shyamala

Originally posted by: loveanime

Excellent points by all no matter where you stand or who you support, if we take in all sportively it is all in good fun and guess how boring would be if we all thought the same thing.

I see a few posts have touched on Jodha's inability to understand what Jalal is going thru in regards to the betrayal of his sister, she didn't spare him a few words or thoughts in this matter. Obviously her comparing her relation to Bakshi to what Jalal shares with his sister was done in poor taste by Jodha. That is a smack my forehead moment. I think CVs are trying to maintain a record, there should be one silly Jodha moment in every episode where we have to go oh thou Jodha why are you so tactless.

Ok lets overlook all this but I am certainly confused someone clarify this for me is Jodha questioning about the importance and impact of love. Ok my brain is rewinding here has everyone forgotten the crucial scene where Jalal is punishing Farida and we had a Jodha parallel scene where she talks about love and how it is the be all and end all of life. So what happened to that Jodha exactly, her never been in love is one issue, but are we to now assume she is so clueless about the subject of love itself that she has to go to Salima for answers. That is what irked me about the scene between Jodha and Jalal. Jodha rushes to Salima for answers and she reiterates that to the Shehenshah on a matter she just got schooled 10 seconds ago completely wrecked the emotional weight of that scene for me. I saw no heart in Jodha no emotion it is like she was regurgitating someone else's preachings. I wish they cut the Salima scene out and had Jodha do some inner reflections of her own thoughts but from what we know of her she understands true love very well and then if they shot that scene with Jalal it would have had a different impact. Oh how tragic were those tears in Jalal eyes timed perfectly as it slid down his cheek, perfect expressions he couldn't have conveyed his pain in anymore grievous fashion.

The last scene the big speech off the balcony. Every great emperor is got to have one such scene, I knew Jalal turn was coming I just didn't know when but friday the moment was upon us. If we listen to this speech Jalal has made some significant clarifications. He starts off with talking about his responsibilities as an emperor stating in no uncertain words that he has always fulfilled them obviously this leading into his next statement of not providing an heir which is also one of his main responsibilities as king, heir means stability. He sets the stage for declaring he is not to be a father, no heir, but he doesn't sound apologetic that he has failed them in this regard but assures them there is nothing to be sad about. This leads in to final declaration of his speech that he feels no such loss as for a king his praja are his children. I had a total Raja Ram feeling here as that one of Ram's standing glories and signified his Raj Dharm, fictional he might be but he exemplified the motto of prajja hamari santhan hai ideology. I must admit that I was slightly taken back how great this speech was because i was anticipating such a speech before Jalal gets named Akbar. But nevertheless this means we have more great speeches to look forward to hurrah for us.

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Thank you, my dear.

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Very Nice Analysis

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Many are feeling that jodha didn't feel for Jalal's missery and didn't spare few words to ease his pain. But I don't think she was cynical or not wise enough to understand his pain. In many a cases whe the pain is too deep, it is better to leave the person to cry it out and empty his heart rather than consoling him with kind words. Jalal is one such person who doesn't want anyone's simpathy and he had expressed it openly to Jodha in Amer when she said she simpathise his for havinng only the people who hate him and he had to be on his guard 24x7, fearing of emeny and as he can't even trust his own shadow. If she talks of any words to ease his pain, wont it rub salt to his wounds. Had he needed sympathy, he would have gone to Ruqaiya or Salima Begum but he went to MA as she had reade him from childhood and he will not feel ashamed to shed tears on her shouder.
Instead of pricking his memory lane on how BB's act hurt him and how deep is him wound and how long it will take for him to heal it, it is better that Jodha ignored that aspect altogether, as if to show him that it is nothing, this type of things keeps happening when you are in a substantially higher post, you need to forget it and move forward. There is no point in mulling over the spilt milk and cry instead of shouting on the chef for the loss of milk, just forgive him saying its ok, it happens at time, but be careful next time. So even you will be relived and the cook as well. Since you share of bond of blood not just few oaths and the bond of love can't be broken just by pain caused by the other, so it is better for you to forgive her, and eventually, you will be out of pain. You will be more hurt carrying the grudge and pain than ease it by forgiing the culprit who happens to be your dear sister.

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