Weekend Analysis Thread 19:Truth always Triumphs - Page 2

Originally posted by: skanda12

Jyoti, help, this site is freaking out! Its not editing my posts and is adding a new post if I try to edit the old post. Is there any way to remove all these double posts?

Sorry folks, I am all thumbs!😲

Originally posted by: prejudiced

Oh Wow...That was a lovely recap of all that happened during the week.

Such a Bakwaas concept but because of the beautiful way the track as such was executed, we all ended up actually enjoying the episodes and found it much much better than what we had expected at the outset when we heard about the track,

I totally agree .. if I just tell the updt to someone about Jodha's fake pregnency track , they will laugh loud and mock it buit all thanks to superb execution in last 2-3 episodes , that the overall thing in the end dint look too bad and we all ended up applauding both Jalal and Jodha's actions in the end 👏👏

Salima: Standing ovation to this lady. Grace and goodness personified. Am glad that she's a genuine well-wisher for Jo-Ja. Jodha will do great under her guidance.

Yess .. I loved the way she handled it all 👏👏

Jodha: She was a wounded soul. But like u pointed she had indeed shed her Ghrina even before learning the truth...she viewed anything Jalaal did with distaste until she learnt the truth.I would not blame her given her emotional state. What I loved was the instant she learnt the truth, the first thing that hit her was how wrongly she had judged him...The fact that she was a victim of a conspiracy, what all could've happened, why her...none of these bothered her...but it was her mistake in recognizing Jalaal that was eating her up...Showed the good soul she was... Her going to jalaal for a change to apologise (and not ask a question) was welcoming. She was very genuine in her apology..

Oh yess I too loved her self talk and repenting act the moment she was told the truth 👍🏼.. I so wanted to see this in Jodha .. just a realisation that she can b wrong in her judgements too and I m glad CVs showed it 👍🏼

Jalaal: The MC track did teach him some good lessons and loved his approach here in the way he handled the conspiracy. He put up with Jodha's so called hatred, as he was able to see through .

He handled the situation like a true leader..His apology to Jodha was again very genuine...My only complain was Ja-Jo seemed a bit too formal in the scene together but perhaps considering that Jalaal was very deeply wounded they couldn't have played the scene any other way. Him not having a heart...Hmmm... He needs to ask himself why he goes to such lengths when it comes to Jodha Begum.

Well I guess the formal way of asking for apology was needed for the situation .. Jalal was all heartbroken ..first his own sister backstabbed and played with his emotions and second the disappointment of no waaris coming yet again .. so he was in no mood to b sarcastic or act playful with Jodha there and even Jodha was filled with all guilt for misunderstanding Jalal , so she too cannot really show her usual agression ... so I guess there was no other way in this case 🤔

Maham: Somewhere she does care for Jalaal and we could see that.

Ruqqu: I don't think she will ever think past herself...

Yes maham does hv emotions for Jalal .. its just that in front of Adham , her motherly concerns overshadow her loyalty for Jalal at times .. and coming to ruqaiyya , she wants Jalal to b happy but is more of a self centered type of woman ...

My favourites of the week:

1. Jodha telling Jalaal -if we go by the words we say to each other you and I wouldn't be together today...

2. Jalaal's speech to the crowd: Who says I don't have children...what are u then to the king?

3. Jodha crying following the speech: Ha! so Madam was moved by Jalaal!

4.Walk through the corridor: Wish there had been more corridors for them to cross before the Jashn😆 In spite of all the tension, Jalaal couldn't help briefly being his usual naughty self!

Aahhh me too loved these 4 scenes especially the corridoor walk the talk 😛 and Jalal's speech to the crowd which was so damn touching 😭 ..

overall I enjoyed each an every episode this week...Today's episode the most as it was very moving...Tear in jalaal's eyes brought my crocodile tears too and hope the upcoming track is executed as well as this one...

Haha it brought out all our crocodile tears I guess 😆😆

Originally posted by: hagen

well one thing I dont understand from the pregnancy track is that the same sitution happened before when farida got pregnant but it was not akbar's child so he was mad a little but when his asked him to release them he did.But when the same thing happened with jodha he got so upset and mad like he was out of control.I Understand that he needs to be angry but it was too much and then he says he doesn't love jodha

Originally posted by: -Khush-

One more trusted person of his who shattered him today! :'(

Bakshiii... tu toh gaay se bhi battar nikli!

Poor guy... he was more hurt that Bakshi made fun of his childless life more than the whole ugly position she put him and jodha into... (Rapist...Adulterer)

It is INDEED a rude joke BB

Looks like my prediction will be true... Shareef has fled and will now come back only to attack Jalal like in movie!

Mayb Shariff will now secretly play his games by instigating the likes of Adham khan and co 😛😆... since its a daily soap , so Shariff-Jalal war has time ... befroe that I m sure Shariff through other people will do all sort of chota mota attacks on Jalal

PPPS: Jodha: CVs are toying and eating her brains day by day like deemak as they wish !

STOP this nonsense of her prejudiced nature CVs... How can you even make her think that Jalal is SUCH a leech to only have it all day with all women!
Like seriously? At that rate, ALL men in mahal are Leechads= Dhadham Khan, and ALL other females of harem too should be despo lesbos since they don't even get to drool on Jalal!??? So they all summon daasis to have it ? 🤣

I guess Jodha is too influenced with Adham khan and his acts .. so she assumes all Mugjals r of same nature 😆😆

MA (apni wali ) da ladla bigad Gaya ! 🤣

I LOVE the Amer wali jodha during sukku ka wedding... And the one after this fiasco ! Bas Haan !

the rule of life ! You must give something to take something ... You must give up relations to be the only king of the clan !

Felt so bad for Jalal... Shehensha ke dost nahi hote ! Sigh!

Bakshi ! You excuse on womanhood !

Salima ... Wish they made more like you !
Both her scenes were amazing !
You can totally applaud the CVs for sticking to her real character sketch of being that guiding force for Jalal and here jodha too !

I so hope CVs never play with Salima's characterisation ... she should b the same till the end 😳.. about Bakshi , she is a typical example of girls who r blind , dumb and deaf in one sided love 🤢🤢

UFff yeh mohabbat ! ek chutki bharose ki keemat Tum kya jano Jalal babu...
Jodha ke sar ka taj Hota hai ek chutki bharosa...
Ruq ke badan ki aag Hota hai ek chutki bharosa! 🤣

Well I knew Jo would forgive BB after the love lecture ! It's a good way though that jodha talks strict to her ! It's debatable like Lashy said ... Someday even MA and Dhadam will use this as a counterattack to Jalal himself and get scot free ! Well but Jodha is right too ... If BB ka blind love ends here than the guilt will eat her up ! 😡 like Vicky said Bokwas Bano ! 🥱

well yeah the punishment Jodha chooses is debatable but then its a rule in daily soap world , till the show ends , all culprits got to survive .. so even in future if Maham or Adham does such act , they too will hv to go scotfree for show to continue for ages 😆😆

Today ...

RT was brilliant ! 👏 and that pride of jodha on his speech ! ⭐️

I like you mentioned his voice mods ! He was so choked up but kept his voice loud ad clear as a king !
😭

Truee .. he was outstanding today 👏👏👏

MA and her twisted love for Jalal !

Maham is confusing .. she loves Jalal but falls weak with her motherly emotions for adham at times 😕

Special chops to Ruqi ! Like I say get irritated by her hot air ego, but being fair and square has been inbuilt in her ! I was glad it wasn't ruk's game ! Too cheap to show her playing such jokes on pregnancy ! Woh chata laga ya Hoshiyaar ko ! 😡 👏
However may she dislike jodha, it has been her who played fair in MC track and here too genuinely was happy for Jalal ! 😳

True .. Ruqaiyya is more like a young kid trapped in a adult body .. so kids normally hv a very transparent thinking even if they want their exclusive rights on their favourite toy .. same goes to Ruqaiyya too ... Jalal is her fav toy and she wants her exclusive rights on it but at the same time she can never think dirty to get those exclusive rights 😛

I too was thinking that Jalal will get a donkey ride from jodha once she comes to know Jalal was hiding her innocent side from her and torturing with baby names ... But like you said ... Jodha would NOT and should NOT believe given his ping pong game ! 😆

I guess next week Jodha can question Jalal on what was that gibberish he spoke to her during corridoor walk the talk about baby names and how she felt the desire that stormy night 😉😆😆

I could never chat here after that Amer week where I was super pissed ! But the next week with Jodha playing the True Blue queen was my favorite ! 😎
CVs exactly did what I wanted to see !
When BB tells truth to Jo that she lied to save Cheapuddin ... Jodha finally felt the tremors of what being a king with that royal turban meant ! That sometimes you cannot be Raja Harishchandra or else lives (BB and Cheapuddin relation) will be ruined ! Something Jalal had tried to make her see but chalo ... Never late ! 😃 then she played a diplomatic card and own claps by supporting Jalal... While not trying fighting cheapu due to BB !

Ya I felt the same too .. guess Jodha never really imagined that one's own family can backstab in this manner .. but she saw it now and hopefully she will understand what a difficult position Jalal is in when it comes to these decision making

And Jalal ! Kya sixer maare! 🥳 showed the Rat family who his highness JMA is... And you don't snatch what is Jalal's!!! 😎 and followed his praamise to jodha begum 😳 and then gave 420 volt ka jhalak by giving fort back and that too in Sukku's name ! 😛

Thats Jalal for u 😎

Overall, Now I don't react a lot before track goes on ! 🤣

Final PS: CVs... Enough of tracks related to pregnancy ! If I sit back and look, you all should stop this line now ! NOT funny to make rude fun at Jalal's life by alway showing him bear the pain of losing child or having babies without any mehnat ! Today's episode I thank you for giving his pain... But don't want to see it now except for him naturally feeling their void ! 😡
Next time you churn up another chindhi track mocking his childless life I will dig out real Akbar from his grave and send him with a shamsheer behind your @$$! 😃

Yess I too hope this is the last we saw about pregnency fiasco .. no more plss .. its no more funny 😕... these tracks might bring trps but its not really a good idea to make a mockery of pregnency everytime especially when there is so much else to explore na 😕

Plus, I will do same to real Jodha bai is Ghrina, Ashobhniya, icchapatra vast I are not thrown out of dictionary of jodha ! 😡

I hope at least now she will delete these words permanently from her dictionary .. 😆😆

Originally posted by: skanda12

Jyoti:

Aside from my comments in between the lines of your post (above) I wanted to add a few more thoughts about yesterday's episode:

1. I thought it was very significant that Jalal gave Jodha the right to decide the sazaa for Bakshi. It was not only right from the fairness point of view (because she was the most affected victim of the saazish) but also from Jalal's own point of view: he seemed in an emotionally affected state and perhaps did not feel that he would make the balanced and correct decision. He may have felt he would either overshoot or undershoot the true merit of the situation and not give the exactly deserved punishment because of his own emotional disturbance.

Also if Jalal had made this decision , questions would hv surely raised on his fairness because bakshi is related to him and so Jalal was smart enough to let Jodha take the decision ,so that none ever in history questions about his fairness in dealing with his own family culprits 👍🏼

In the end, it was an absolutely right thing to do, because Jodha also did not adopt any knee-jerk response. She too thought through the issue and explained her position in a balanced way saying "non-punishment is tantamount to abetting Bakshi, but at the same time the best punishment is not prison but home, where she would have to live with her guilt all the time!"

There was visible relief on Jalal's face when she said this (if you noticed) and he must have also been very gratified that she showed such poise, sanity and deep thinking. As I said earlier above, Jodha has also ensured some protection for Bakshi from Sharif with this decision (if that nutcase thinks she is in love with Sharif, he may now think she is a waste in his life and dispensable as she is no longer a valuable conduit to her brother!)

Yeah I m sure somewhere Jalal too was scared thinking what if Jodha give bakshi death sentence or anything .. he will hv to accept that .. and so that huge sigh of relief when Jodha made that decision to forgive her ... he could see how Jodha in every way was spot on with her decision making ...

2. When Jalal came to Jodha's room it was exceedingly interesting I thought that he started his sentence with "You usually come to me with questions, but today I have come to you with a question ...". This was like a sanket to me of the turn of the tide in their relationship!

Plus the fact that he then showed Jodha his tears, and she was advising him and he was seeing the truth of all that she said about Bakshi was grand to watch.

Till now I guess he cried only in front of his own mother or Maham or Bairam khan .. today for first time he showed his tears to Jodha .. he dint intend to show it but it naturally came out in front of Jodha and thats an indication that in future too Jalal will love to share his emotions with Jodha since now he knows that she understands him as a person 😳... I agree about the indication that its a positive change in their relationship with Jodha coming to meet Jalal this time ..

Another very key sentence in that dialogue was when Joodha said, "No your relationship with Bakshi will not break, it cannot break so easily! Look at both of us ... we are still together after all that ghrna and talks of revenge?" That was very significant to me. When people are able to talk so calmly about emotions that were gripping them so much in the previous weeks (such as ghrna and revenge) then it shows that they are finally out of the clutches of these emotions. It was sensational that Jodha mentions that "see, we are still together!" to Jalal. It was like the sun had come out from behind the clouds at last and two people who had been at odds with each other were acknowledging that they had been wounded - but thank God, they had not been split up!

True .. Jodha wanted to make Jalal realise that its not really easy to make or break relationships ... let things takes its natural coarse instead of us trying to decide the fate of relationships ..

3. The third very significant scene for me was when Jalal entered the ladies meeting of Hamida and said "I know the praja will be all agitated when they think we are dithering - one day saying pregnancy and one day saying no pregnancy. But at no cost do I want Jodha to become a "kissa" for them to gossip about! So I'd rather they blamed me for what is happening than Jodha!"

What a tough decision this was not just for a King to take, but any man? The praja would surely have questions about his "mardangi" after repeatedly he is failing to produce progeny, despite a whole harem of wives and other women? Maham knew this would all become a question against his manliness, as Hamida also knew! But Jalal decided to take it on his chin ... and Jodha too knew in the end that he has put himself under question mark just to absolve her of being the target of gossip!

How he then turned the topic on its head was also sensational. he told the public, "I do miss having children - and we will still have one yet, don't worry - but until then a king's children are his own loving praja. So you are dearer to me now than ever before!" This is called "making a virtue out of a vice". He used the situation to advantage instead of letting the situation reduce him or Jodha, or even let the praja continue to think they are out of connect with the king! It was a fabulous poiltical and sentimental statement to make at that juncture! And I am sure the praja also thought "let us give him more time, he's just a boy of 22 years and he can be a father many times over in the coming years!"

Yess Jalal was spectacular there with the way he handled his people .. first he confesses the whole truth of no pregnency and then he tries to cheer up all by declaring that how for a king his people r only his children ..., 👏👏👏.. he himself was so down from inside but as a king he holds his head up and motivates his people which is the true sign of a grt leader and king ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️

Here I must say one thing about the general mismanagement of the waaris issue by the court of jalal. If they did not act as if this issue was so nebulous, the praja will not get so jittery on the subject! But when the court itself signals jitteriness, it trickles down to the praja as a doubt "can the king produce an heir or not?". The public relations management on this topic is a bit lacking I feel in Jalal's court. In those days the pressure to show an heir was seen as "reinforcing the Sultanate and also warning the enemies" so I can understand the importance of the whole court to want to impress on the public in a grand way that "waaris is coming, waaris is coming". But if something negative happens then they are forced to do a "warris, not there, waaris not there" kind of statement that has a sting in the tail. So better to play down the waaris to a manageable issue!

I guess thats why Jalal makes that statement of in future a waaris will definitely come .. he knows its importance when it comes to his enemies making merry out of this news ...

4. Finallly, I agree with the points you've given for the five episodes, but I will add just one wish to that: for Thursday episode of jodha-Jalal heart to heart talks I want to give 20 out of ten i.e. 200%. It was my very "favouritest" episode!

Well yeahh that episode was my personal fav too .. the jalal-jodha heart to heart talk was touching and perfect from future POV 👏👏

Originally posted by: Kalluchirpy

an awesome thread on the whole week which was fab not even single minute detail missed...

this week is my fav week of JA episodes...the whole week was bang on...esp thursday and fridays episode was remarkable...u ll get to see the real emotions of a man when they r in vulnerable state...this has proved in Jalal's case...for Jalal MC track, suicide and ajmer was an eye opener abt Jodha's positive qualities which made him to trust her deeply...and support her whtever consequences might be...and this fake pregnancy track helped Jodha to realize Jalal's +ve side..now we will see Jodha tending towards Jalal...

yesterday I felt like why no one is offering him a hug...poor guy...he made everyone cry...but def next time when he gets hit by somthing lik this Jodha will be there to giv him one...