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Posted: 11 years ago
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Screw everything else!!!!!
Focus on the three Js
JO JAL N JEHANGIR😉😉
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: JanhaviSRK

Thanks for all info. ..

See what I got from my research from wiki
Salima n Jalal had a son after 9 years of marriage named murad..he died before akbar n salima.
Salim had 2 rajput wives...one was manbhawati who is man singh ki sis who gave birth to khusrao
His other rajput wife manmati gave birth to shah jaHan

I am not sure these are facts given in govt records that murad was son of biby kheira not sure about wiki who updated it and who is right?
Murad and Khanum were born same year 1970 and few months apart. Khanum was salima's daughter so murad must be kheira's son.
Salim had married 3 of his cousin Rajputs
Manwati Bai or Manmati Bai or Manbavati Bai(all same) was daughter of Bhagwan das and sister of Man Singh and mother of Khusrau his eldest son
Jagat Gosain or Jodha Bai or Jodh Bai was mother of Khurram(shah jahan) was a cousin of Salim and neice of Jodh Bai(her mother was sister of Jodh Bai married to King of Jodhpur)
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Akbar had five sons"

1.Hasantwins, born 3rd Rab' I, 972. They only lived one month.
2.Husain
3.Suln Salm [Jahangir],
4.Suln Murd.
5.Suln Dnyl.

Of daughters, I find three mentioned"(a.) Shhzdah Khnum, born three months after Salm, in 977. (b.) Shukrunnis Begum, who in 1001 was married to Mrz Shhrukh (No. 7, below, p. 312); and (c.) Arm Bn Begum; both born after Suln Dnyl. Regarding the death of the last Begum, vide Tuzuk, p. 386.

Of Akbar's wives the following are mentioned:"1. Suln Raqiyah Begum (a daughter of Mrz Hindl), who died 84 years old, 7th Jumda I, 1035, (Tuzuk, p. 401). She was Akbar's first wife (zan i kaln), but had no child by him. She tended Shhjahn. Nr Jahn (Jahngr's wife) also stayed with her after the murder of Sher Afkan. 2. Suln Salmah Begum. She was a daughter of Gulrukh (?) Begum* (a daughter of Bbar) and Mrz Nruddn Muhammad. Humyn had destined her for Bairm Khn, who married her in the beginning of Akbar's reign. After the death of Bairm, Akbar, in 968, married her. She died 10th Z Qa'dah, 1021. As a poetess, she is known under the name Makhf (concealed), and must not be confounded with Zebunnis* (a daughter of Aurangzeb's), who has the same poetical name. 3. The daughter of Rjah Bihr Mal and sister of Rjah Bhagawn Ds. Akbar married her in 968, at Sbhar. 4. The beautiful wife of 'Abdulwsi', married in 970, (vide Bad. II, 61). 5. or Princess of Jodhpr, the mother of Jahngr. Her name is not mentioned by any Muhammadan historian. As Akbar's mother had the title of Maryam Makn, so was Jodh Bi called Maryam uzzamn. She died in the month of Rajab 1032, A. H. (Tuzuk, p. 361). The Tuzuk expresses a hope that God will receive her in His mercy; for Jahngr's mother, though a Hind, could not well be sent to hell.' 6. Bb Daulat Shd, mother of (b.) and (c.); vide Tuzuk, p. 16. 7. A daughter of 'Abdullah Khn Mughul (964). 8. A daughter of Mrn Mubrik Shh of Khandes;vide p. 13, note.

Suln Salm. Title as Emperor, Jahngr. Title after death, Jannatmakn. Born at Fathpr Sk, on Wednesday, 17th Rab' I, 977, or 18th Shahrwar of the 14th year of Akbar's Era. He was called Salm, because he was born in the house of Shaikh Salm i Chisht. Akbar used to call him Shaikh Bb (videTuzuk, p. 1). For his wives and children, vide below, No. 4. Jahngr died on the 28th afar 1037 (28th October, 1627) near Rjor on the Kashmr frontier. Vide my article on Jahngr in the Calcutta Review for October, 1869.

Suln Murd, Akbar's fourth son, was born on Thursday, 3rd Muharram, 978, and died of delirium tremens in 1006, at Jalnpr in Barr (Tuzuk, p. 15; Akbarnmah II, p. 443; Khf Khn, p. 212). He was nicknamed Pah (Bad. II, 378). He was sabzrang (of a livid complexion), thin, and tall (Tuzuk). A daughter of his was married to Prince Parwz, Jahngr's son (Tuzuk), p. 38.)

Suln Dnyl was born at Ajmr, on the 10th Jumda I., 979, and died of delirium tremens, A. H. 1013. Khf Khn, I. p. 232, says, the news of his death reached Akbar in the beginning of 1014. He was called Dnyl in remembrance of Shaikh Dnyl, a follower of Mu'n i Chisht, to whose tomb at Ajmr Akbar, in the beginning of his reign, often made pilgrimages. Dnyl married, in the beginning of 1002, the daughter of Qulij Khn (No. 42), and towards the end of 1006, Jnn Begum, a daughter of Mrz 'Abdurrahm Khn Khnn (Khf Khn, p. 213), and was betrothed to a daughter of Ibrhm 'Adilshh of Bjpr; but he died before the marriage was consummated. He had three sons:"1. ahmras, who was married to Suln Bahr Begum, a daughter of Jahngr. 2. Byasanghar (<Arabic>). 3. Hoshang, who was married to Hoshmand Bn Begum, a daughter of Khusrau. Besides, he had four daughters whose names are not mentioned. One of them, Bulq Begum, was married to Mrz Wl (Tuz., p. 272). ahmras and Hoshang were killed by Aaf Khn after the death of Jahngr (vide Proceedings, As. Society of Bengal, for August 1869). Nothing appears to be known regarding the fate of Byasanghar. Vide Calcutta Review for October, 1869.

Dnyl is represented as well built, good looking, fond of horses and elephants, and clever in composing Hindstan poems.


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Akbar had five sons"

1. Hasan twins, born 3rd Rab' I, 972. They only lived one month.
2. Husain
3. Suln Salm [Jahangir],
4. Suln Murd.
5. Suln Dnyl.

Of daughters, I find three mentioned"(a.) Shhzdah Khnum, born three months after Salm, in 977. (b.) Shukrunnis Begum, who in 1001 was married to Mrz Shhrukh (No. 7, below, p. 312); and (c.) Arm Bn Begum; both born after Suln Dnyl. Regarding the death of the last Begum, vide Tuzuk, p. 386.

Of Akbar's wives the following are mentioned:"1. Suln Raqiyah Begum (a daughter of Mrz Hindl), who died 84 years old, 7th Jumda I, 1035, (Tuzuk, p. 401). She was Akbar's first wife (zan i kaln), but had no child by him. She tended Shhjahn. Nr Jahn (Jahngr's wife) also stayed with her after the murder of Sher Afkan. 2. Suln Salmah Begum. She was a daughter of Gulrukh (?) Begum* (a daughter of Bbar) and Mrz Nruddn Muhammad. Humyn had destined her for Bairm Khn, who married her in the beginning of Akbar's reign. After the death of Bairm, Akbar, in 968, married her. She died 10th Z Qa'dah, 1021. As a poetess, she is known under the name Makhf (concealed), and must not be confounded with Zebunnis* (a daughter of Aurangzeb's), who has the same poetical name. 3. The daughter of Rjah Bihr Mal and sister of Rjah Bhagawn Ds. Akbar married her in 968, at Sbhar. 4. The beautiful wife of 'Abdulwsi', married in 970, (vide Bad. II, 61). 5. or Princess of Jodhpr, the mother of Jahngr. Her name is not mentioned by any Muhammadan historian. As Akbar's mother had the title of Maryam Makn, so was Jodh Bi called Maryam uzzamn. She died in the month of Rajab 1032, A. H. (Tuzuk, p. 361). The Tuzuk expresses a hope that God will receive her in His mercy; for Jahngr's mother, though a Hind, could not well be sent to hell.' 6. Bb Daulat Shd, mother of (b.) and (c.); vide Tuzuk, p. 16. 7. A daughter of 'Abdullah Khn Mughul (964). 8. A daughter of Mrn Mubrik Shh of Khandes;vide p. 13, note.

Suln Salm. Title as Emperor, Jahngr. Title after death, Jannatmakn. Born at Fathpr Sk, on Wednesday, 17th Rab' I, 977, or 18th Shahrwar of the 14th year of Akbar's Era. He was called Salm, because he was born in the house of Shaikh Salm i Chisht. Akbar used to call him Shaikh Bb (videTuzuk, p. 1). For his wives and children, vide below, No. 4. Jahngr died on the 28th afar 1037 (28th October, 1627) near Rjor on the Kashmr frontier. Vide my article on Jahngr in the Calcutta Review for October, 1869.

Suln Murd, Akbar's fourth son, was born on Thursday, 3rd Muharram, 978, and died of delirium tremens in 1006, at Jalnpr in Barr (Tuzuk, p. 15; Akbarnmah II, p. 443; Khf Khn, p. 212). He was nicknamed Pah (Bad. II, 378). He was sabzrang (of a livid complexion), thin, and tall (Tuzuk). A daughter of his was married to Prince Parwz, Jahngr's son (Tuzuk), p. 38.)

Suln Dnyl was born at Ajmr, on the 10th Jumda I., 979, and died of delirium tremens, A. H. 1013. Khf Khn, I. p. 232, says, the news of his death reached Akbar in the beginning of 1014. He was called Dnyl in remembrance of Shaikh Dnyl, a follower of Mu'n i Chisht, to whose tomb at Ajmr Akbar, in the beginning of his reign, often made pilgrimages. Dnyl married, in the beginning of 1002, the daughter of Qulij Khn (No. 42), and towards the end of 1006, Jnn Begum, a daughter of Mrz 'Abdurrahm Khn Khnn (Khf Khn, p. 213), and was betrothed to a daughter of Ibrhm 'Adilshh of Bjpr; but he died before the marriage was consummated. He had three sons:"1. ahmras, who was married to Suln Bahr Begum, a daughter of Jahngr. 2. Byasanghar (<Arabic>). 3. Hoshang, who was married to Hoshmand Bn Begum, a daughter of Khusrau. Besides, he had four daughters whose names are not mentioned. One of them, Bulq Begum, was married to Mrz Wl (Tuz., p. 272). ahmras and Hoshang were killed by Aaf Khn after the death of Jahngr (vide Proceedings, As. Society of Bengal, for August 1869). Nothing appears to be known regarding the fate of Byasanghar. Vide Calcutta Review for October, 1869.

Dnyl is represented as well built, good looking, fond of horses and elephants, and clever in composing Hindstan poems.


Thanks

Pls clarify my doubts -- so hassan and hussain were born to some other wife of akbar not salima, ruqaiah or jodha?

And who are jehangir's, murad's and daniyals sons?
Jehangir had 7 sons listed khusrau, parvez, khurram, shariyar, baysangar, jahandar, hoshang and 2 daughters nithara and bahar begum and step daughter ladli begum
i had read khusrau had 4 sons Dilawar Baksh, Garashap, Sharyar, Tamarus
it mentions here that daniyal sons were amhras, baysangar and hoshang
the confusion arises in jehangir's and daniyals kids because after daniyal's death jehangir became a father to daniyal's kids as they were small when their father died same case is true of murad sons and daughters too(they must have stayed with him in agra fort and he became like a father to them). So all historians confuse danyials children or murad's sons as jehangir's too. So some children have been mentioned as jehangir as father and some places same sons are mentioned as daniyal's children. So i am not pretty sure whether baysanagar, jahandar, hoshang were jehangir's sons. they may be daniyal's son staying with jehangir.
Only amras is gauranteed as daniyal son because he married jehangir's youngest daughter bahar begum. Brother-sister cannot marry so he is most definetly daniyal's son a cousin. The other son's of jehangir we all know khusrau, parvez, khurram and shariyar since they were involved in succsession war and rebellion. But baysangar, jahandar, hoshang could be daniyal's sons so were not involved in succession war though they always stayed with jehangir and were executed by asaf khan on orders of shah jahan at lahore fort.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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I'm not sure to whom hasan hussain were born to but I think I read somewhere that they were born to jodha..
I searched Daniyal's sons on persian pakhtun:

Mirz Baisinghar, son of the late Prince Dniyl
On the 26th Jumda-l awwal, Dwar, his brother Garshsp, Shah-riyr, and Tahmras and Hoshang, sons of the deceased Prince Dniyl, were all put to death.

There is a lot of information on this website..
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Thanks guys for bringing lot of history to the table and am guessing many Jodha akbar fans will read these posts and learn interesting history from it. Thanks again😊Autumn _Rose and Myviewprem
Edited by noor2009 - 11 years ago

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