Jodha Akbar 99: Of the birds and bees and butparasti - Page 2

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Thank you, darling, for this very fair response.

I forgot completely about Mahaam and Adham, but I was tired and it was already way too long, what with that historical footnote and those bits about obstetrical royal practices!😉

My Deepavali resolution is to stop commenting on Jodha altogether, unless she reforms herself dramatically and I can, in all honesty, start praising her. I am tired of criticising her, it is getting to be monotonous and as boring as she is.

Yes, my apologies for forgetting your supporting my take on butparasti. Age is catching up with my memory at last, I presume, or else, as with Jalal, it is the constant irritation with this chudail begum that is eating up my memory neurons!😉 Which is one more reason for sticking to my resolution!

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: lashy

very very very insightful post aunty...I didn't think you'd make one...but glad you did...😃

Happy Diwali to you and family too!🤗

Butparasti: The gentle thumping sound you might be hearing is me patting myself on the back for having been practically the only one here to highlight the risk Jalal ran, when he fulfilled Jodha's sankalp by placing his head at the foot of Kali Maa, of being accused of butparasti, or idol worship, which is strictly forbidden in Islam. And Ela was among the very few to back me in this take, which was generally brushed aside by most here.
Unfair...I know lots of us who were in accordance with the entire subject...and your take on it😭

-Ruqaiya's intelligence network, headed by Hoshiyaar, is clearly better than the regular imperial one, which should have been as active as usual, and in fact more so, when both the Shahenshah and the chief Minster Atqah Khan were out of Agra.

I loved Ruqaiyya's fore-warning...it showed the right amount of concern (though it didn't bring fruition)I'm waiting for the day when we get to see our Jo come out of her Ameri-bubble, take up matters like this that concern (what should be her) AGRA and (her) Jalal in her own hands and act wisely too..

My take on MA

I think Ekta's clan let MA appear at least 100 different shades of grey ever since day 1 so that they don't need to show much justification when she behaves either good or bad! They can take the story either way and keep us guessing to help the ongoing TRP-based drama.

Therefore after having seen all of her negative shades in Amer, we're now being blessed with positivity once she's returned to her Matrubhoomi. The dramatic scene where Adham is about to raise his hand on her gives MA a near shocking realization- which leads to an even more vociferous monologue in support of her adopted son Jalal (in stark contrast to the MA we saw favour her own over Jalal during the MC kaand)!

Whichever way, her character interests me (seeing how she has the best dialogues and is the best actress in the show) I think she is going to keep up this Pro-Jalal Anti-begum face all through.

He never apologises for anything he has done - be it the bowing before Kali Maa or whatever he did to save the life of the half-frozen Jodha - and this is as befits a Shahenshah.

Jalal is as impressive as can be always (bar a few times when he nearly behaved like a puppy dog himself during this Ameri trip😆)

Thanks for the ever-informative paragraphs on the muslim clergy and the power that the religious orthodoxies hold over the throne in various parts of the world (and at various eras) Always a controversial matter this - in any part of the world and time!

As for the body heat, I shall continue with my being-disgusted-with-it-all stance so don't want to elaborate on that any more.

I liked Ariel's take on it too - it was the closest that came to tempering my yet unsatisfied mind.

Even if he was reluctant to indulge in bal prayog, he would have returned her to her maayka labelled "psychologically defective goods"!

😆

Thanks aunty🤗

Edited by sashashyam - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Yes, Suvi, but what we are likely to get is more movement than progress: one step forward, next one backwards, then one sideways, and so on.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: Super Kool

Thanks for the info aunty...😳

The story needs to progress...it's pretty much static...thus,leaving us all disappointed...

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Posted: 11 years ago
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a wondeful post indeed.A controversial episode,lets see where it leads
And about the vachan,you are bang on. He never promised her anything,he had said something to put her down,infact.and now here she is,using that statement over and over again,making it sound as though he had said it to glorify her.

Happy diwali aunty 🤗
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: sashashyam

@blue. Amen with all my heart. And thank you so much for liking my overlong essays, I really appreciate it!

Shyamala


Its a pleasure reading your posts..There are times when i have a different point of view but your posts are always such a pleasant read😊 Anyways, Happy Diwali🤗
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Thank you, Disha dear, and I begin to think that Jodha, and Hitler's Propaganda Minister Josef Goebbels had some karmic connection. He is (in)famous for asserting that if you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it, which is the basis of almost all modern advertising.😉

To be fair to Jodha, I think it is more a case of her believing her own version by now, rather than a deliberate lie.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: disha15

a wondeful post indeed.A controversial episode,lets see where it leads

And about the vachan,you are bang on. He never promised her anything,he had said something to put her down,infact.and now here she is,using that statement over and over again,making it sound as though he had said it to glorify her.

Happy diwali aunty 🤗

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Happy Diwali Shyamala...
Fantastic post...

Jalal is in big trouble now ( he will get out of it)...Jodha didn't understood the seriousness of it probably because of being a hindu...But now she will realise what it has cost Jalal to bow head in front of Kali mata...What it had cost him -morally and politically...


The duty of a muslim king is to rule the state as per Shariya and to spread Islam...Jalal has done exactly opposite...and you are absolutely right clergy can challenge the legitimacy of a muslim king especially when he has a hindu woman in harem...

This is a blessing in disguise for Jalal, who now knows that he needs to cut down the wings of of clergy in order to be all powerful king...He is not going to forgive them...

I want to ask u one qquestion Shyamala- Does MA love Jalal? Till tody I dont know the answer...

I am not surprised that Ruku sent a messenger to Jallu...It doesn't take much intelligence to understand seriouness of the matter...She is a muslim and has been begum-e-khaas for few years...So plz stop giving undue credit...
Edited by elasingh - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Loved reading the history parts in the post, really informative,thank you, especially as history was never my forte at school 😉. I completely agree with your view that Ruqaiah s showing her mettle as Mallika e Khaas in this Butprasti angle. Whatever faults she might have otherwise, her loyalty & affection to Jalal has been totally genuine & she always puts him first & foremost in any dealing. Regarding MA, dont know what to say about this woman. She sure is one shrewd & calculative woman, but right now dont know where her loyalty is in regard to Jalal. As you say, she has too many grey shades on her characterisation right now.
And regarding our Chudail Begum, whether she accepts to convert or not, keeping Jalal s Shehenshah padh in mind, ( I have too many reservations about the forced conversion bit, not at all for it, but as this is the 16th century scenario, trying to keep a more understanding frame of mind in accord). Well, keeping in mind last Friday s precap, again Jodha seems not to be willing to accept that she s the cause of the fiasco, atleast it seemed so from the precap . I wont comment much more on that until the scene s played out,. but according to it, MA s the one pointing it out to her once again what Jodha s actions' consequences are & prodding her to own some responsibility to it.

So well, let s see how the scene goes & whether some of us atleast can see some redemption in Jodha s characterisation. & thanks for the PM 😊

PS: Loved the bit where you ve pointed out that Jalal keeps a cool head in this matter & shows entirely why he s fit to be called a true Shahenshah, Way to go, Jalal 👏👏
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Thank you for the wonderful post Aunty!! 👏👏👏👏
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Happy Diwali Aunty and an amazing post as usual😊!!!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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lovely post aunty i dnt knw much abt this budhrapasati but it seems a serious issue i loved the way he tackeld the maulvis !
now lets see how maturely jodha acts or not

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