A reason why Jodha's real name not mentioned anywhere

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Soni

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Posted: 11 years ago

#11

Originally posted by: katana
Interesting Article.
Only after giving birth to Salim, she may got her title.

Yaah ...after salim's birth she got the marium-uz-zamani title...she only knowed by this name..

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Mrs.KimJongin

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Posted: 11 years ago

#12

Her name was changed after the birth of Jahangir , when she accepted islam , her name was kept :

Mariam uz-Zamani . even Akbar's first name wasn't Akbar it was named Badruddin, because he was born on the night of a badr (full moon). were taking refuge.^[3] At birth Akbar was named Badruddin, because he was born on the night of a badr (full moon). After the capture of Kabul by Humayun, Badruddin's circumcision ceremony was held and his date of birth and name were changed to throw off evil sorcerers^[14] and he was re-named Jalalu-d-din Muhammad by Humayun, a name which he had heard in his dream at Lahore

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Mrs.KimJongin

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Posted: 11 years ago

#13

one more thing Her name was later changed as per custom to Heera Kuwari and is known as Jodha Bai in mordern times. MARIUM-UZ-ZAMANI is often referred to as Jodhabai or Jodha Bai in modern times, although she was never actually known as Jodha Bai during her lifetime.

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Ananya

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Posted: 11 years ago

#14

Originally posted by: RagSia
I thought same!
Btw it can b that Jalal n Shah indeed gave explainations bt Aurangzeb, their heir n muslim extrimist, removed them from prints.

That is too a possibility!

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Abhay

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Posted: 11 years ago

#15

kudos to u

@ann_12...

u grasped the point quite correctly...

i have got somee really great analysis done on the reason..of this question..
that why her name was not mentioned anywhere...

u got it almost right...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and i am going to prove it...my 2nd or 3rd post...
this time i'll post the references also...

just wait...
👍🏼

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ChupChupKe

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Posted: 11 years ago

#16

Originally posted by: history_geek
kudos to u

@ann_12...

u grasped the point quite correctly...

i have got somee really great analysis done on the reason..of this question..
that why her name was not mentioned anywhere...

u got it almost right...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and i am going to prove it...my 2nd or 3rd post...
this time i'll post the references also...

just wait...
👍🏼

we r waiting for ur post too 😃😃

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Abhay

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Posted: 11 years ago

#17

Originally posted by: RagSia
I thought same!
Btw it can b that Jalal n Shah indeed gave explainations bt Aurangzeb, their heir n muslim extrimist, removed them from prints.

@ragsia

u grasped the point ALMOST correctly...

i have got some really great analysis done on the reason..of this question..
that why her name was not mentioned anywhere...

u got it almost right...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and i am going to prove it...my 2nd or 3rd post...
this time i'll post the references also...

just wait...
👍🏼

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Ananya

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Posted: 11 years ago

#18

Originally posted by: minnie2308
I agree!
Infact, after doing my own little research in my company's library, I have stumbled upon enough material to say the memoirs were more driven by relegious belief than by fact.

So yeah, I do believe the story of Jodha Akbar. Although, I agree to these 2 having a mutual respect, love is a part that cannot be confirmed! Perhaps, Jodha was a brainy woman and Akbar realised it would be good idea to give her some power!

Probably it wasn't love between the two, but they did have affection and respect for each other for sure. It might even have been love.

Mariam's tomb is just a kilometre away form that of Akbar's. This is practically the nearest any of his wives were buried. Ruqaiya was buried in Kabul and Salima in a garden commisioned by her to build. The closeness of Mariam's tomb speaks eons about their relationship. She was said to be Akbar's shadow in real life, and got to be the same after death too.

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myviewprem

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Posted: 11 years ago

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I also read somewhere aurangzeb was responsible for destroying many records of his ancestor's books which gave favourable reference to hindu relatives or his own brothers dara sukoh, shah suja etc.

He also destroyed kashi temples and a few other religious places because dara sukoh had provided money/gifted something to build them

Ex: Dara sukoh innagurated and laid foundation stone of golden temple, donated idols etc to temples in allahabad and donated to build temple in kashi but all these things were removed from mughal court references.

But the other chroniclers of those times have documents that still prove all this. And he was beheaded because aurangzeb felt he had gone against his own religion.

So Hira Kunwari(mistaken for Jodh Bai Jehangir's wife) must have been removed names from court records by aurangzeb or like you said the author would not have mentioned because he disliked hindu wives of emperors. But abul fazl was commissioned on akbar's orders so he would not dare disobey his orders. Akbar mentions he made copied of both akbarnama and ain e akbari and handed them to jehangir and kept a few copies in various royal library's of agra, delhi, kashmir, lahore etc. I am not sure now where these copies are to verify them because the britishers who killed all the emperor's family after 1857 would have raided these library for sure. Many british officers stole these precious books from these librarry and have sold them to museums or kept at their homes as momentoes. So till anyone gets hold of a real copy we cannot verify what has happened?

Only Akbar's sword was saved as it was in palace and the amer royals(jaipur royals) were not looted as they supported british in first indian freedom war.

Regarding Mariam's tomb 1KM away and not other wives

Ruqu wanted to be buried with her father Hindal mirza and grand father babur in kabul palace

Salima may be wanted to be buried near agra fort so was buried in garden there

Mariam may have not left any will or told of a place so Jehangir thought best to build it near his father.

Akbar's two daughters, 2 grand daughters and great grandsons are buried with him in tomb

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ChupChupKe

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Posted: 11 years ago

#20

the details of her life, her relationship with the Emperor and the degree of influence she had over state affairs, if any - will always remain in the shadows.😒