CV's some suggestions and request!

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Posted: 11 years ago
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CV's these are just my opinion and not in any way meant for bashing or criticizing any characters. So not meant to hurt any one.
Today the only scene that stood out for me was of Jalal and Jodha's. I don't and won't talk about any one or any other scene though some of them were very good.

I felt really bad for Jalal today. He was cruel, boorish, heartless, a womanizer, along with many other things but we all know circumstances and his fate chose him to be like that. His dialogue stood out today, he didn't choose his fate but his fate chose him...so very true! Whatever he is today he was not born like that but was made by his environment, fate and his so-called family. Whoever wrote his lines were bang on and had to be applauded to bring his perspective right to us in our living room and we all could relate to his pathos and pain and dilemma of being an Emperor before a human being. I loved that interaction it was mature, heartfelt, meaningful and substantial with lots of depth and layers.

I expected a lot today as far as Jodha was concerned when he put her on the spot. It was Jalal's pain along with his dilemma being an emperor that came across to all of us but where was Jodha's understanding or her connection with him, where was her constructive advice or suggestions? I am asking you CV's because you are playing her character and building it. I was at a loss listening to her.

Jodha's concern for him initially was touching, she really looked worried but whenever she starts with her Amer and Bapusa she loses me. Fine she is patriotic but what stops her from looking beyond that? You want us to take her as a woman of substance right, then show us the substance in her.

She barges in with questions to Jalal but where is her input or suggestions to Jalal that will make him turn his head and look at her with pondering thoughts. How will he depend on her wisdom, advice, suggestions if you don't give her that depth in her character? Today was a golden opportunity lost. I wanted them to have a substantial conversation when Jodha was put in Shahensha's shoes and was asked to decide what would be best in that situation. Instead what do we get from her? That she doesn't want that life where no one can be trusted, she doesn't want to lead an unloved life, where every moment has to spent in fear of losing one's life!!! Excuse me, she is not a commoner where she is free to go anywhere or eat anything or do anything...she is a princess and knows very well about safety and security. Her father s a king, her brothers are princes and can they roam around free or go anywhere without security??? Are they all so secured of their lives without any threats? That was a lame retort from her. If any one is in a position to rule then their lives are always in threat or danger from their arch nemesis and they have to lead a life of uncertainty and insecurity and every possible measure has to be taken for their safety and security. What was her point I didn't get. That Jalal should seek for love from every one, should live a life without security, or be free from being an emperor?? It was very vague.

I would have understood if she in plain terms told him to be human in his approach, to do more for his subjects, to cut down taxes, to build more houses or schools, to donate to the needy and poor, to win hearts of the masses so that people look up to him as their own, that will earn their love and respect but nothing of this was said by her but then how will he be free from danger or be loved according to her?

I wanted them to sit down and a conversation where Jodha will calmly tell him to recapitulate all the incidents that has happened so far. If he doesn't trust even his own shadow then his own people are also not spared from doubts, then who falls in the top category of that list? Who will benefit if something happens to him? Who is the next heir to the throne if something happens to him? If attempts have already been made before coming to Amer then who can be doubted? lt can't be outsiders, it has to be some insider's work. I so wanted her to instill the seeds of doubt in his mind. That would have been meaningful and showed how intelligent Jodha actually is. That would have made Jalal depend on her intelligence and seek for her advice in future as well. But what you did here CV's was just made her give up from that situation and walk away with no suggestions and answers at all.

In history books or any website you read about Jodha and everywhere we read she was a woman of substance, she was dignified and had a great personality. She was the only person who had the right to issue 'farman' after the emperor himself...can you imagine the power and wisdom she had? She must have been immensely powerful and influential to enjoy that power. She had the authority to built mosques and institutions around the city and even looked after the ship for pilgrims from Delhi to Mecca and back and earned the revenue from it. A woman who had so much power and depth and intelligence didn't gain so overnight, she must have always had this smartness, insight, depth and substance. Then show Jodha so here in the show as well. Just fighting with the shahensha and telling him she hates him or pities him doesn't show her intellect. Give her the intelligence to decipher the unseen, to add the twos, connect the dots and solve the puzzles...that will make her the woman she was. She should be the strength, eyes, shoulders, brain of the Emperor on whom Jalal can depend, rely, listen, seek advice from and that is when she will be a true befitting Queen who made the emperor human from an uncouth beast, who became his better half.

It is in your hands CV's. If you have got Jalal's character so well then get Jodha's too. All the time crying for Amer and her family will not make her Mallika-e-Hindustan! She has to earn it.

They can have their petty fights, their squabbles, their romance, the unsaid attractions, all can be there to add fuel to our imaginations but overall most importantly give their relationship some substance, some depth, some meaning. I sound like a parrot I know but it is for the betterment of the show.

I will keep my fingers crossed to see some meaningful and signifcant interaction next time. If Jalal is all alone in this world then Jodha should be his shadow who is always there with and for him whom Jalal can trust blindly.

Thank you CV's.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Spot on post 👏👏👏 Cvs listen up😛😛😛
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Brilliantly written I hope the show gets back on track.
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Bang On post👏👏👏
Very well written ..!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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1. Plz do not turn Jalal the Emperor to a lover boy. Hes an emperor n this epic love story should be different. Wat is there if even an Emperor becomes a road side romeo / like many other telly heroes ...I really cannot digest the fact that the emperor is chasing his wife so many times after she not showing any signs. Im sure an Emperor can try but consistent rejection, just ignore her bas n do ur work. It will hit the lady hard that you are not even paying attention to her. Reverse physiology. Does emperor does not have any important task to do ????? I so wanted them to be in Ameer Jalal N Jodha but the way things are going im beginning to think it was better when they are at Agra n hating each other at least at that time Jalal looked like an emperor n Jodha can do anything she like. I just cant believe how the scenes was sorted out... one part Jalal n Jodha in argument n one part later Jalal wanting to see his jodha dancing. Does that makes sense at all... Not that im acting smart but I believe consistency must be there... show bad ones n finish.. give a gap n show good ones. u dun mix bad good n give us confusion. here Am I saying Iss Confusion Ko kya Naam Doon
2. I really need to know how are Cvs planning to make Jodha character. Jodha is not a normal telly heroin , I still can accept other shows when they destroy the character created but for god sake this is historical figure we are talking about. You just can play with their character n destroy it just like that for purely entertainment. Who is Jodha ... I fail to connect... more than a princess she looks like a tantrum queen... Why is that so????????
3. So far I never missed a singly epi of JA, but from now on im not sure. TBH im not eager waiting for the epi, I just watch it as this is the only Hindi show that I follow atm. Im not sure whether I will still be around even for the most awaited SR.
4. This is solely my opinion. No offense to anyone .Feel free to add if any.
Sincerely,
A Frustrated Viewers
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: riyya6

1. Plz do not turn Jalal the Emperor to a lover boy. Hes an emperor n this epic love story should be different. Wat is there if even an Emperor becomes aroad side romeo / like many other telly heroes ...I really cannot digest the fact that the emperor is chasing his wife so many times after she not showing any signs. Im sure an Emperor can try but consistent rejection, just ignore her bas n do ur work. It will hit the lady hard that you are not even paying attention to her. Reverse physiology. Does emperor does not have any important task to do ????? I so wanted them to be in Ameer Jalal N Jodha but the way things are going im beginning to think it was better when they are at Agra n hating each other at least at that time Jalal looked like an emperor n Jodha can do anything she like. I just cant believe how the scenes was sorted out... one part Jalal n Jodha in argument n one part later Jalal wanting to see his jodha dancing. Does that makes sense at all... Not that im acting smart but I believe consistency must be there... show bad ones n finish.. give a gap n show good ones. u dun mix bad good n give us confusion. here Am I saying Iss Confusion Ko kya Naam Doon


2. I really need to know how are Cvs planning to make Jodha character. Jodha is not a normal telly heroin , I still can accept other shows when they destroy the character created but for god sake this is historical figure we are talking about. You just can play with their character n destroy it just like that for purely entertainment. Who is Jodha ... I fail to connect... more than a princess she looks like a tantrum queen... Why is that so????????


3. So far I never missed a singly epi of JA, but from now on im not sure. TBH im not eager waiting for the epi, I just watch it as this is the only Hindi show that I follow atm. Im not sure whether I will still be around even for the most awaited SR.


4.This is solely my opinion. No offense to anyone .Feel free to add if any.



Sincerely,

A Frustrated Viewers



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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: riyya6

1. Plz do not turn Jalal the Emperor to a lover boy. Hes an emperor n this epic love story should be different. Wat is there if even an Emperor becomes a road side romeo / like many other telly heroes ...I really cannot digest the fact that the emperor is chasing his wife so many times after she not showing any signs. Im sure an Emperor can try but consistent rejection, just ignore her bas n do ur work. It will hit the lady hard that you are not even paying attention to her. Reverse physiology. Does emperor does not have any important task to do ????? I so wanted them to be in Ameer Jalal N Jodha but the way things are going im beginning to think it was better when they are at Agra n hating each other at least at that time Jalal looked like an emperor n Jodha can do anything she like. I just cant believe how the scenes was sorted out... one part Jalal n Jodha in argument n one part later Jalal wanting to see his jodha dancing. Does that makes sense at all... Not that im acting smart but I believe consistency must be there... show bad ones n finish.. give a gap n show good ones. u dun mix bad good n give us confusion. here Am I saying Iss Confusion Ko kya Naam Doon
2. I really need to know how are Cvs planning to make Jodha character. Jodha is not a normal telly heroin , I still can accept other shows when they destroy the character created but for god sake this is historical figure we are talking about. You just can play with their character n destroy it just like that for purely entertainment. Who is Jodha ... I fail to connect... more than a princess she looks like a tantrum queen... Why is that so????????
3. So far I never missed a singly epi of JA, but from now on im not sure. TBH im not eager waiting for the epi, I just watch it as this is the only Hindi show that I follow atm. Im not sure whether I will still be around even for the most awaited SR.
4. This is solely my opinion. No offense to anyone .Feel free to add if any.
Sincerely,
A Frustrated Viewers



The more I am watching Jodha the more I am getting reminded of Balaji female protagonists like Tulsi and Parvati nowadays. Just hope the CV's realize that Jodha is not a typical Balaji heroine.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Lana 🤗

I am sure not many will agree with me, but my two cents. 😆

Jodha was concerned abt Jalal but the minute Shahenshah starts prodding our Queen's ego and pride comes into the picture and she shuts off and how does she hide her concern - by showing her concern on every other living and non-living thing on the planet except Jalal. 😆

Like everybody wanted, Jodha did give Jalal advice, but just not how everybody wanted and not just how everybody expected it to happen. Considering how there is a constant tu-tu-main-main between them, do you think that even if Jodha had tried to give him a proper answer to his question, Jalal would have accepted it? At this point in their relationship, can you even expect them to sit and have a discussion on the matters of the state when they cant even have a civilised 2 minute conversation regarding anything? He would have haughtily thrown it to her face asking her if he would have to accept suggestions on how to run his kingdom from her. She gave the right advice to him. What is the use of fearing for your own life from everybody around you? Why do you have so many enemies around you? What is the use of a life without any love? All she was suggesting was instead of enemies make friends and that is the answer to your situation and ur question. Quests and acquiring kingdoms are not enough if you fear for ur life every living second. Yes, the way and the tone she said it was not right, but what she said was perfectly right!!

I have a serious problem with both Jalal and Jodha's characters now. Jalal was upset with Jodha and then immediately he wants to see her dance and that too chori chupke? And Jodha begum needs to tone down on her dikhawa of her hatred. Its ok to show some concern to her husband. The sky won't come falling down.


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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: ash08

Lana 🤗

I am sure not many will agree with me, but my two cents. 😆

Jodha was concerned abt Jalal but the minute Shahenshah starts prodding our Queen's ego and pride comes into the picture and she shuts off and how does she hide her concern - by showing her concern on every other living and non-living thing on the planet except Jalal. 😆

Like everybody wanted, Jodha did give Jalal advice, but just not how everybody wanted and not just how everybody expected it to happen. Considering how there is a constant tu-tu-main-main between them, do you think that even if Jodha had tried to give him a proper answer to his question, Jalal would have accepted it? At this point in their relationship, can you even expect them to sit and have a discussion on the matters of the state when they cant even have a civilised 2 minute conversation regarding anything? He would have haughtily thrown it to her face asking her if he would have to accept suggestions on how to run his kingdom from her. She gave the right advice to him. What is the use of fearing for your own life from everybody around you? Why do you have so many enemies around you? What is the use of a life without any love? All she was suggesting was instead of enemies make friends and that is the answer to your situation and ur question. Quests and acquiring kingdoms are not enough if you fear for ur life every living second. Yes, the way and the tone she said it was not right, but what she said was perfectly right!!

I have a serious problem with both Jalal and Jodha's characters now. Jalal was upset with Jodha and then immediately he wants to see her dance and that too chori chupke? And Jodha begum needs to tone down on her dikhawa of her hatred. Its ok to show some concern to her husband. The sky won't come falling down.



Ash I didn't even want to talk about any other scenes. The most important scene today was of Jalal and Jodha and for me it went to waste. I am not even talking of Jalal wanting to watch Jodha's dance, it fails in with the consistency with the flow of sequence.

But Jalal is such that when asked not to do something he invariably does it. The moment he heard he is not supposed to go there he made up his mind to go there, it would sit perfectly with his character. Only if they didn't show a little earlier they had such a heated argument. That is why the situation is not fitting.

And as far as Jodha's suggestions are concerned, according to you, sorry I beg to disagree. Right now they are showing Jalal is going soft on Jodha, whatever she says he takes with a smile and smirk. Nothing she says he challenges or argues on. He not only listens but also ponders on what she does or said. If she said something about his probable enemies or just recapitulating over the circumstances I am sure Jalal would have seen some light at the end of the tunnel.

I will give you this today at least Jodha was not spitting venom with her tone. They toned her voice down and I liked her initial concern for Jalal. But what advice did she give him? What is the use of having an unloved life where threat is lurking everywhere and how he can't trust any one...that is the life of any emperor or king and being a princess she ought to know that. I felt she just left from that situation unable to give any valid suggestions or advice. If she had told him clearly why he is not liked by his masses or how he is looked upon I would have understood but nothing of the sort was shown or said.

I don't see the valid advice you are speaking of. And her Amer and Bapusa and Masa and the birds, air, water molecules and atoms of Amer lectures completely turns me off and I am sure Jalal feels the same way too. Actually I liked Jalal more today. Instead of the puppy love tone he got the authority back when he said I forbid you to pity me. That is what Jodha needs here I think, that strong attitude and authority from him or else her lectures goes on and on.

But maybe you are right here because the CV's might be thinking along your line which I can't see.

Good to see you here Ash and it reminds me of the old days of our back and forth discussions. 😃
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Posted: 11 years ago
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So agree the cvs have really messed up here...BIG time!!!
What qualities a princess should have Jodha has none...THE REASON KINGS AND QUEENS MARRIES ONLY ROYALS WAS THAT THEY COULD UNDERSTAND AND ADJUST TO THE KINGS LIFE !!!

Here we have a princesss who does not think for a second to put her husband life in danger...who ask her for advice she tells him some nasty things about being alone and hated by every 1 around him...

but sorry it is her family which was hated !!!!!! She is only concerned abt her sisters wedding which was fixed by her hated husband...

What pride and aan is she talking, tellin g her hubby to leave amer it will spoil things for her !!! Is this pride???????I mean even her little neices love him and kids are pure they will never go to a mean person...but all she sees is her grihna...

Even wen he is complimenting him she taunts him for me this is NOT PRIDE its ARROGANCE!!

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