Slaps, Blame & PLAGIARISM galore.

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: DonnaHarvey

If it were in today's context, we would call it assault and want Rukaiya's arse arrested. Because by today's standards, it is illegal to attack another person. But even in those times, launching at a legally wed queen in a fit of rage is no small matter. It is the more pressing matters (Jalal being sick) that have prevented this being an issue in court. Otherwise, only the emperor or his mother can legally punish a queen. Not a fellow a fellow queen.

As far as people blaming Jodha, I am happy Jodha messed up (in retrospect) because otherwise she would be a monotonous character who is ONLY good. Her limitations pull her down from the pedestal of an "angel", the picture that Jalal had in mind when marrying Jodha. Jalal wanted to ruin her angelic qualities, get her to submit to his more human ones. But he is realizing (through this and other incidents) along the way that she is not without her flaws. Although vastly different misgivings, Jodha is equality a person, equality in need of respect, love, and the right to happiness.
I digress, what I mean is, the viewers are used to goodie two shoes as the heroine and a bad boy as the hero. As this story transcends from those cliche notions, we get confused and frustrated that the characters are not fitting into our square mold. Especially in case of women, an undue pressure is placed on a woman to be moral and abide by the social codes when the man is excused of wrong doings. Here we see that the woman in her TIRELESS attempts to be the ideal woman (devi-like) messes up royally, almost getting her husband killed. Hopefully, she will discover that being righteous, kind, and all the virtues that society demands of her is not the only way to be a good human.
At the same time, the man who has always been above the law and gets away with murder everyday will realize the importance of virtue, kindness, of altruism and selflessness by being in the company of the woman.
It is only through each other than they both realize their potential and become better human beings. Jodha is not the only changing Jalal (that would be other freaking show of gawking over good guys). Jalal also changes Jodha, protecting her from her over-zealous virtues.

They are working to satisfy the comic muse.

p.s. that is my analysis on why the show is not like the other Ekta shows.
I have slight suspicion Ekta might be taking a feminist standpoint here. She overtly claims to be a feminist but never shows it in her work (exceptions: a few of her unconventional films). It will be interesting to see if and when she uses those ideals in century so biased against women.



i only want to say... Queen is the status...which is given by only king himself.. every wife of king isnot queen... jodha is not queen yet but Ruqayya is ...n if really any one here can be arrested ..its only jodha because..she put the emperor's life in danger... i am relieved Ruqayya only slapped her..which i hate for the sake of ruqayya's own dignity as queen not got her arrested...
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: smile.sara

i only want to say... Queen is the status...which is given by only king himself.. every wife of king isnot queen... jodha is not queen yet but Ruqayya is ...n if really any one here can be arrested ..its only jodha because..she put the emperor's life in danger... i am relieved Ruqayya only slapped her..which i hate for the sake of ruqayya's own dignity as queen not got her arrested...

Perhaps the message got lost in translation. What I mean by queen is a legally wed wife (begum) who is not a concumbine or captured in war. By that standard Rukaiya is the HIGH queen (begum-e-khaas) but still a queen and hence not one to punish Jodha.
Again, the only people who can do so are the emperor and his mother.
What I am saying is if Jalal had been well and Ruk had slapped Jodha for whatever reason, Jodha had the right to seek justice in court. But because the circumstances are different, this cannot happen.
What Ruk did (at a different time) could get her punished. She CANNOT get Jodha arrested unless she is a proven traitor. Why? Because Ruk is not in charge.
It's not a matter of opinion here, it's just the rules. I can sense that you side with Ruk here but that's not the point. It simply cannot happen.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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I agree, we are all learning and growing as persons. Its just that with queen status comes lot more responsibility, dignity and grace. In those areas I wish Ekta did not show Jodha week. I was okay with her being cross with Jalal, challenging him and the suicide. Its her rude manners and speech that cannot be accepted, only because she is a queen. You might be right, Ekta is getting carried away with feminist character..
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: meghanajain

I agree, we are all learning and growing as persons. Its just that with queen status comes lot more responsibility, dignity and grace. In those areas I wish Ekta did not show Jodha week. I was okay with her being cross with Jalal, challenging him and the suicide. Its her rude manners and speech that cannot be accepted, only because she is a queen. You might be right, Ekta is getting carried away with feminist character..

Oh my!
Dear reader, I am afraid you've entirely missed my point. Fear not, I am here to clear things up. First, I am an outspoken feminist and do not believe that being one is an insult. Second, I made it clear that even though Ekta also identifies as a feminist, she does not use her ideals in any of her TV shows. I have a feeling she might in the future but so far, nothing.
Also, royals or not, humans are weak. If Jalal can be shown as weak, emotionally immature, lonely and in want of love then why not Jodha? Why the double standard?
I understand the unease where our heroine is doing something we know is naive and it gets hard to like her at those time points because she does "stupid" things. But we let Jalal (literally) get away with murder. This does not put a dent in his likability. Think about your own biases before you point out that Ekta is taking feminism too far. Girl, she hasn't even started yet.
Historically, queens can be (and have been) vehemently outspoken. This is what gets them noticed and involved in politics as opposed to being domicile.
Take your unease with a grain of salt and think about why you feel this way. Is it because you think what Ekta is doing is bad for the plot or because you are not used to this type of characterization and don't like not relating to the protagonist? That might help check any inherent biases.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: neetu_sultan

Really vry good Analysis... ! 👏 👍🏼 totally agree with u... 😊

Thanks.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Wow, I couldn't agree more, I so totally agree, I'm really happy as well that Jodha's character is not a typical "mahaan" heroine who has no human or vulnerable side. I'm glad she made a mistake because after this incident she might also have a realization of how she has to change some qualities as well not just Jalal. And i don't get why Jodha is being put through so much after all she's a human she has the right to err, and you're right Jalal could get away with murder and people would be ok with it. I really loved your post, and this is why this show is different because the leads aren't the typical hero and heroine, their characters are a bit more complexed.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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i totally agree that only emperor or his mother will have the power to give punishment or to arrest jodha. But here Rqu just slapped jodha because jodha accepted that she had removed the bullets from the gun which led jalal cause his life. Rqu knows that jodha hates jalal but still she let jalal go with her because she wanted jalal's safety. Rqu is right from her side.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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I agree with you. There is too much lashing out at Jodha rite now. I agree with your comment about double standard. There are things Jalal get easily forgiven for mistakes he makes whereas majority of the threads bash at Jodha's mistake. Ruqaiya might be the high queen but Jalal will not be happy to know that Ruqaiya slapped Jodha.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: sridevi_n

i totally agree that only emperor or his mother will have the power to give punishment or to arrest jodha. But here Rqu just slapped jodha because jodha accepted that she had removed the bullets from the gun which led jalal cause his life. Rqu knows that jodha hates jalal but still she let jalal go with her because she wanted jalal's safety. Rqu is right from her side.

I understand this. I was responding to those who said Jodha deserved a harsher punishment from Ruk, that's all.

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