Double standards of a shahenshah or the mom ? - Page 2

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Posted: 12 years ago
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my dear archie why it seems to you a not enough investigation.. Moti has no proof and yet shahensha sends two horse-riders to mathura to check whether adham is present there or not, is it not enough in support of his fare judgement. And remember jalal is an illiterate person,not even was in love with anyone,so he has no idea for sure that a lover would never name his love if he wants to save his love from danger..;-):-D..so he is naive in love letter mamla..:-P..and hence naturally believed the letter
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: aRchiE_frieNds



I think I should've clarified this in my post , I understand the other lady was pregnant , but what about the guy who got her pregnant. Even he was not given any punishment ( forget about death sentence )

And Jalal's mom should've atleast tried to talk to Jalal , not to forgive moti but to investigate the matter further or something on Jodhas request. How can she say that she doesn't speak in these matters when she has actually done that before.
Just my POV that this part shows even Jalal's mom in bad light who's supposed to be a nicer and just person.


jalal tried all his level best to investigate the matter he even sent someone to chek out where adham is ...persoanly he went to meet motibai as he didn't want some innocent to b punished n the names involved were bigger adham n maham so he went to meet her .. but poor motibai has no proof ..jalal is emperor he has to give punishment on the basis of proofs shown to him maham is cleverly played all the game against poor moti ..when maham involved in something jalal's real mother knows she has no right to say anything in the matter as jalal gives more importance to her (maham)
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Posted: 12 years ago
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The case is diff here...yeah Humida cud hav helpd bt she doesn wanna interfere in these matters wich was she tld
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: PallaviDas003

my dear archie why it seems to you a not enough investigation.. Moti has no proof and yet shahensha sends two horse-riders to mathura to check whether adham is present there or not, is it not enough in support of his fare judgement. And remember jalal is an illiterate person,not even was in love with anyone,so he has no idea for sure that a lover would never name his love if he wants to save his love from danger..;-):-D..so he is naive in love letter mamla..:-P..and hence naturally believed the letter


Jalal could not read and write but was educated.

He may have been dyslexic.. as a child he was read out texts from various subjects and could recite them from memory!
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: PallaviDas003

my dear archie why it seems to you a not enough investigation.. Moti has no proof and yet shahensha sends two horse-riders to mathura to check whether adham is present there or not, is it not enough in support of his fare judgement. And remember jalal is an illiterate person,not even was in love with anyone,so he has no idea for sure that a lover would never name his love if he wants to save his love from danger..;-):-D..so he is naive in love letter mamla..:-P..and hence naturally believed the letter



Now that part I didn't understand either. Even if adham is present in mathura why wouldn't anyone think he could've gone after all this happened ( which he actually did ) what was the point in sending someone to check if he was present there.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: aRchiE_frieNds



Now that part I didn't understand either. Even if adham is present in mathura why wouldn't anyone think he could've gone after all this happened ( which he actually did ) what was the point in sending someone to check if he was present there.


The Zamindars were questioned as well. Jalal was told that the work he had been assigned was half way done.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Yes...all this was discussed in a previous thread too...and me and AR were busy trying to defend Ek's creatives there too...😆

But leaving all this aside and the investigation into the case etc... you do realize that this is the 16th century right...I can't imagine any more investigation than this having happened to save the life of a slave girl even by the kindest of kings in that era...

We hail Akbar as a kind Mughal king... however, even under his regime hundreds of thousands of innocent Hindus have been slaughtered...(though many by his ruthless commanders...many by his own orders too)...

Most cases would have been solved at face value and just by the aid of initial proofs provided (which the more powerful could have adjusted to suit their needs)...just as Hameeda Banu stated, women would rarely have been allowed to interfere in politics (examples like MA are rare!) and proceedings/adjournings/investigations like a modern day case would not have been a regular occurrence!

Why, look at the Tudor series...all the powerful men had to do was point their fingers at a culprit and the accused was instantly sentenced to death...all the investigation was botched...all evidences fabricated...if the innocent didn't accept the crimes, they were tortured till they did...and the king had no idea about this (or chose not to!) Yet, his reign is claimed to be a successful one for England...

History is ugly, my friend!

Edited by lashy - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Well,im pretty sure Moti is not gonna die.

And secondly,Jalal himself met Moti to find out more.So,he did try to get at the bottom of this.

He need not have gone there after the deewaan-e-khaas.Yet,he did.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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My disappointment is with Hamida , not with Jalal . She surely could've done something , she just did not want too .
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: lashy

Yes...all this was discussed in a previous thread too...and me and AR were busy trying to defend Ek's creatives there too...😆


But leaving all this aside and the investigation into the case etc... you do realize that this is the 16th century right...I can't imagine any more investigation than this having happened to save the life of a slave girl even by the kindest of kings in that era...

We hail Akbar as a kind Mughal king... however, even under his regime hundreds of thousands of innocent Hindus have been slaughtered...(though many by his ruthless commanders...many by his own orders too)...

Most cases would have been solved at face value and just by the aid of initial proofs provided (which the more powerful could have adjusted to suit their needs)...just as Hameeda Banu stated, women would rarely have been allowed to interfere in politics (examples like MA are rare!) and proceedings/adjournings/investigations like a modern day case would not have been a regular occurrence!

Why, look at the Tudor series...all the powerful men had to do was point their fingers at a culprit and the accused was instantly sentenced to death...all the investigation was botched...all evidences fabricated...if the innocent didn't accept the crimes, they were tortured till they did...and the king had no idea about this (or chose not to!) Yet, his reign is claimed to be a successful one for England...

History is ugly, my friend!




That's the best explanation I agree for the whole situation. And I definitely agree with you 100% that. back in those days a king listening to a slave girl would be more than impossible. They showed he even went to the cell to ask her again. I was impressed by that.

But my concern is due to two things
1st - they have a disclaimer that the story is changed according to the needs of present time. So they could've shown that.
2nd - Jalal's mom did talk to Jalal in prev case , she could've atleast talked to him on Jodha's request. I think CVs didn't care that they had actually shown that before. The dialogues with Jodha didn't make sense to me. It did show her as being partial.

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