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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: sashashyam

Thank you, my dear.

As for Jodha and Suryabhan, my take on it - apart from its being totally unbelievable for those times, especially his mother setting up that stroll thru the palace - is a little different.

I think they are deliberately raising the level of emotional involvement between the two, to make the eventual marriage to Jalal much more distasteful for her. In the film, Jodha had never met her intended, and there was no extra anguish on that account, plus of course she had no fierce Jalal-specific hatred, it was just a general and very understandable aversion of marrying a Muslim and a Mughal ruler to boot. Here it is much worse already - Jodha seems under some compulsion to talk of getting Jalal's head in every other conversation, the bloodthirsty wench - and now they are trying, deliberately, to make it even more so.

It is to be seen if there is a war, and if so, if Suryabhan is killed in it. I feel there will be no war, for Jalal wants only to be a position to bargain effectively for Jodha, not to go into war and wreck Amer, and risk her committing jauhar. If so, then what about poor Suryabhan? Well, let us see.

Shyamala Aunty


You are right Aunty ..and surybahan might just end up marrying sukanya...
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Once Again It was written Perfectly.
I loved that scene when Jalal ordered to leave that king, A relief that he doesn't nods on every thing Bairam khan says.
I would say the Jodha has the place in Jalal's heart but Ruquiya is no less now. She is the first person Jalal will go to seek advice when in Dilliema.
But the Relationship between them looks more like Deeep friendship, rather than Husand-Wife.
You said it correct that this situtation (A New Obession) will lead to Divorce in this time.
Even today, meeting the Bride\Groom before marriage is considered unappropriate in some places, How come Suryabhan's mother is encouraging that?
When spotted toghether at the lake side, Raja Bhaarmal thought this is something inappropriate.And even doubted her own daughter, whereas it is different here in Bhanpur.
And I have some Qs too (to the maker)
My mother said, that it was actually Raja Bhaarmal who made this marriage Happen(Jalal-Jodha) There was nothing like trading Jodha for the sake of Amer. (But it adds Drama in the show)
And in the film, Jodha wasn't having this much hatred for Jalal, It was just I think marrying a muslim and all.
If it has been showing that Jodha would be traded for the safety of Amer, then what will ahppen to Sryabhan if the war isn't happening?******Well very well written post Aunty.
You the best Analysist Aunty I have ever came across.👏👏 Thankzz for the PM
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Posted: 12 years ago
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I know that I am very late with this one, but I still hope that it will be of interest to some of you. I thought of doing this only because, contrary to the general feeling in the forum that this past week was a bit of a let down after the strong episodes of the week before, I felt it was revealing and productive in many ways.

The whole of the week, Jodha Akbar bubbled and boiled like a witches' cauldron, while bits and pieces of plots and intrigues floated to the surface of the brew and then disappeared again. The overall impression was one of flux, but of a flux on the very edge of upheaval.

The long overdue explosion came in the precap on Friday, with Jalal staring, cold-eyed and implacable, at a Bairam Khan who seemed to have decided the prove the old adage, Vinaasha kaale, vipareeta buddhi (or its Western equivalent: those whom the gods wish to destroy, they first make mad). This scene will be a landmark, heralding Jalal's coming of age at long last. your analysis are always worth the wait ,i kept on waiting to see your post and this was one great read on a monday morning for me . I agree with you even if slow paced ,the events were foundations and forewarning of what is to come and connect JA with each other and everyone else.BK is on his way out ...his arrogance has taken over his mind and this is one game he is about to lose and as MA said ,she does not have to do anything BK himself will pave way for his destruction

Let us take each of the power plays one by one.

Jalal-Bairam Khan: If I was to pick the best scene of the week, it would not be the hamaam one over which so many young ladies here are, predictably, in ecstasies (at the risk of being pelted with rotten tomatoes, I would say that Rajat needs to work out more in the gym and try for at least 4 pack abs, if not 6 or 8. Right now, when exposed, front or back, he looks like a very nice, khaate peete ghar ka ladka!😉).

It would be the one in which Jalal, confronted by Raja Takhtmal and learning that his father owed his life to the Raja, thinks deeply, absorbs his Khan Baba's vituperative asides, and falls back on his own ingrained sense of justice when he declares at last: Inhe riha kar do (Note the change, due to the gratitude he feels for the Raja, to a respectful mode- he does not say Isko, and he adds Yeh jiyenge) .

He nails down this display of independence when, reacting to Bairam Khan's (extremely ill-advised) attempt to browbeat him, he says bluntly Nahin, Khan Baba! This act of self-assertion amounts to a crossing of the Rubicon, and it is all the more remarkable for the contrast to his behavior so far.

Jalal attaches so much importance to the three crucial relationships in his life (Mahaam Anga's face was a study as Jalal enumerates them, putting her last; the relief that floods her eyes and her whole being at finally making the cut was a sight to see!) that he cuts his Khan Baba a lot of slack, far too much for Bairam Khan's own good. Thus, he tolerates Bairam Khan's overt impertinence when he turns and leaves the Emperor's presence abruptly, wihout so much as by your leave or a salutation, as Mahaam Anga is quick to point out. Instead, he goes so far as to regret even the mild protest he had made to his mentor - Main unki badaulat hi to hoon.

This remark, which must have made Mahaam Anga's palm itch to land Jalal one of the ringing slaps she later bestows on her son Adham, is a very revealing one as far as Jalal's character is concerned. He is grateful for any and all kindnesses done to him. This is remarkable and rare in a king, for kings have a highly developed sense of entitlement, and see the loyalty and devotion of their followers as no more than their due; gratitude is out of the question. Not so with Jalal, and this is an innate quality that has always been there.

He has had very few in his life so far whom he could see as his own, and he does not want to lose any of them. He is like Shanaya in SOTY, he does not like to break a relationship. But this trait, which is endearing in an individual, can, in an emperor, become a major weakness. As it does for Jalal, with both his mentors.

So, even after he overrules Bairam Khan over Takhtmal, Jalal still refuses to think ill of his Khan Baba, till Bairam Khan himself, by his blatant flouting of the Emperor's decision, makes it impossible for Jalal to continue doing so (it is another matter that had Adham Khan not been lurking around when Bairam Khan and his cohorts hang Takhtmal, Jalal might not have crossed his personal Rubicon for a while yet. Why is it that Adham Khan, standing there as large as life, is not spotted?).

By the end of the week, this power play had ended: Bairam Khan had destroyed himself thru sheer stupidity and overweening conceit.

this whole week subtly paved way for BK ka downfall,MA's arrogant dominance and Ruqaiyya's stubborn need to compete and win and compete and win thus reinstating her role in his life.Jalal has very few people who are close to him and among them BK holds the place of his father hence it was obvious ,his hesitation to take action against him or even speak against him .Hence when he released the Rajput king it was not only a shock to BK but a rude awakening laced by the king's words...the father of an Emperor is always a Emperor never a minister...BK always wanted to rule using Jalal as his mohra and with the young boy growing into a man with a mind of his own ,troubles are brewing when their POV are clashing and those small incidents are paving way to the huge storm in which even Jalal will be destroyed to some extent ...how does he punish his Khan baba..this will be the dilemma of an Emperor who is also a son ...Rajat is dong an amazong job..i just love his controlled anger combined with utmost respect ,he expresses with his eyes ,his body language and his words...truly King like...more or less the end of this week will be the end of BK too

Bairam Khan- Mahaam Anga: These two worthy adversaries are always, metaphorically speaking, at each other's throat, and I was pleased that this week too, the female of the species ran rings around the male, punch-drunk as he was on his own arrogance.

The Zaheer ploy was a stroke of sheer genius - placing the lady on par with the masters of intrigue of Renaissance Italy, like Catherine de Medicis, who too had a penchant for poison in rings . That it did not work out fully as she would have hoped for was due to Jalal's mulish attachment to his Khan Baba.

But the lady, who is nothing if not tenacious, plugs away regardless. Her homily, and in particular her insistence that Jalal should show the awaam that he makes his own decisions, obviously go home, for when Jalal later turns Bairam Khan down over Takhtmal, the argument he uses is that of public opinion.

As for poor Zaheer, death must have come as a blessed relief from acute physical and mental suffering, so we need not feel too sorry for him. It is, however, strange that Jalal, who keeps himself personally well informed by his spies about political developments, like the confabulations of the Rajput clans led by Amer, has not thought fit to keep himself similarly abreast of the happenings in his own household. This is again a symptom of his excessive dependence on a mentor.

By week end, Mahaam Anga had clearly triumphed in this power ploy, but it was as much a case of Bairam Khan committing political suicide as of her winning.

MA is a very shrewd played,apt politician ,her whole game of killing zaheer then getting Ruqaiyya humiliated in the court for throwing her slipper at her lol and then putting one more nail in the coffin of vazir -e-ala...she does deserve applaud😆 ..she is a genius in scheming ,executing and then ensuring she is just a by stander lol...her expressions when Jalal was talking about three most important people in his life...she obsessively wants control over Jalal both political and emotional ...but i am confused ,does she want her son to become Emperor which is impossible or does she want him to take BK ka place...hopefully things will be much clearer this week...

i shudder thinking Jodha's plight ,the schemings she will be a victim of

Jalal-Ruqaiya: There was a lot of sparring and teasing and displays of intimacy between them all week, and it was not really Ruqaiya's power ploy against the Emperor. Rather it was Ruqaiya vs the rest of the harem, and once against Mahaam Anga. She came a cropper in the latter for no fault of hers, but she made a quick recover during the hamaam scene, putting Jalal thoroughly on the defensive, and this very prettily and without bruising his ego, something of which she is generally none too careful.

As for the rest, she made mincemeat of them, especially at the Meena Bazaar, and did not fail to rub it in either. For her, they hardly count for more than a nuisance that she, confident in her hold, be it only of the mind, on Jalal, can afford to brush aside with contempt.

But while their inchoate hatred and ill-will might not touch her, and Jalal is willing to overlook her many near impertinences because of his fondness for his only childhood playmate, I felt that she is at times squandering her hold on him and pushing her luck too much. He is not just a man, with the normal masculine ego. He is an emperor, and a famous warrior who has never known defeat. Whatever his indulgence towards her, it cannot be presumed upon heedlessly without eroding it. And when she gets around to grasping this, it might well be too late.

I thus could not understand her leaving him - when she is seeing him after months! - to go off and settle a harem squabble. Or her making him wait till she saunters into the bedroom at her leisure. Or her turning her back to him and pretending not to notice him at the Meena Bazaar till he comes to her khema and stretches out on the divan next to her. These gestures smack of unseemly arrogance, and this when it had been brought home to her , in the Zaheer affair, how much her own standing in court depends on him.

It is true that theirs is a very strong and long lasting relationship, which as she herself says, cannot be easily damaged. I was amazed and impressed by Jalal's immediate regret at having ticked her off in public, and even more so by his unreserved apology to her later. With those few for whom he cares, he has no ego.

Plus, he loves Ruqaiya in his own way, for the core of all love is caring for the feelings of the loved one. In his apology and all the assurances of regard and affection he gives her, he shows that he does care, deeply, for her and her feelings.

The problem, to my mind, is that she does not - bar the instance of the portrait, where she is, for once, gentle and demonstrative - show a similar caring for him. Their interactions are more like mind games, where she mostly wins and he does not, contrary to his usual mindset, seem to mind losing. There is no indication, on her side, of a deep need for him to be with her, as a person she loves, not only as the emperor.As for him, he thinks first of her for advice when he faces a dilemma, but that seems to be more as a trusted and valued confidante and a very dear friend than as a beloved. Neither haunts the consciousness of the other.

This does not mean that there is no love between them. It is rather that it is what Mira Nair described in her wonderful A Monsoon Wedding as 'old shoe love'. The affection and caring that comes with a long association, that is warm and enduring, but without being a desperate need, a clinging, an obsession. This comes thru very beautifully in the scene with the chadar and the jooties. It was exactly the kind of domestic squabble that can be expected between a happily married couple of long standing, who do not need to indulge in romantic niceties with each other at this stage (if these two ever did, which I very much doubt!).

But when a sudden, new obsession takes hold of one of the two, usually the husband, this is the kind of relationship that is the most at risk. Especially when the new obsession exposes the man to unfamiliar emotions and hitherto unknown delights. Today, this would end in a divorce. Jalal has it easier, that is all, for he can keep both the old and the new.

He will surely ensure, when he falls in love with his new begum, Jodha, that Ruqaiya suffers no loss of face or prestige. But I suspect that when she faces this situation, Ruqaiya will realise that it is not just Jalal who has suddenly discovered that he has a heart after all, but that she has one too. A heart that is not content with ruling Jalal's mind. That will be her personal tragedy and her personal heartbreak.

u have very well stated this relationship which is more of years of companionship and love in its own way...yet Ruqaiyya feels the need to time and again reinstate her position and hold in his life..fight it out with the other begums ...for her it is a competition which she shall not lose come what may but there also is the tenderness and care of a wife ,that hamam scene and their squabble over shoes on bed...maybe subconsciously she is scared he has a heart and someday someone will rule it ...hence her time and again ensuring that she does rule him and when Jalal assures her she feels elated and proud about it ...

i agree with you ,Ruqaiyya wants everything that Jalal can offer and when she realizes he has a heart she will want it to...being his best friend will not suffice,ruling his mind will not suffice...she will want the love of a man for a woman ,the passion ,the desire and the desperation all encompassed love when she will see JA equation ...and jealousy can make you do real crazy things ,so Ruqaiyya losing control enraged with jealousy may lead to her own heartbreak ,i assume that even before JA realzies they are in love or Jalal realises he has fallen for Jodha..it will be Ruqaiyya who will sense it ...given she is at par with everything associated with Jalal..be his needs ,his likes and dislikes or his thoughts ..i for one am waiting for this triangle and how will it played out

My usual questions:

- Why on earth is the blind and suffering Zaheer lugged all the way from Rajasthan to Agra? So that Mahaam Anga can do her number, thru him, on her three targets?poor guy ,lost his eyes then life for no fault of his but because of two very greedy players

-How is it that, given the strict code ki ladki ke sasural mein paani bhi nahin peete, all of Jodha's brothers not only land up at the Bhanpur palace but seem to have no qualms about accepting her sasural's hospitality? I am not even touching on the lovey-dovey scenes between Jodha and Suryabhan, actively encouraged by his mother, all which would be unheard of in those times, and even today in very conservative families.Rajputs followed a very strict purdah system and the movie atleast handled that part well whereas EK has taken her creative liberty overboard..first it was a princess roaming around in a mela to be spotted by suryabhan 😆 then those clandestine meetings and now they have landed in the sasural and are left alone to do more coochie coo😆 and then her father raised a ruckus over the boatride 😆 ..the whole saga of the rajputs are beyond ridiculous ..i cannot connect with jodha suryabhan because their conversation starts and ends with Jalal ka head ,she recognized the sword coz she held it to Jalal ka neck...how dim is Suryabhan not to see or realize that his future wife is obsessed with another man and she keeps on reminding him about getting her Jajal ka headand then you have that guy who utters all those lovey dovey dialogues to her and all she wants is Jalal😆

- How does the otherwise astute Mahaam Anga get the idea that she can foist her son, who does not have a drop of royal blood in him, on the awaam and the court as the Shahenshah? As for the ringing slap she lands him, I did not think that was soapish or excessive.He is obviously very headstrong and equally stupid, and I do not think anything short of that would have had the least impact on him.her son is all brawns and no brains and i really hope they clear that part coz even i am confused about that scene...does she want to dethrone Jalal to make her son the Emperor..MA cannot be this foolish not even in her greed

Pleasing moment: When it was finally made clear to the viewers that Ruqaiya, as the granddaughter, in the paternal line, of the Emperor Babur, is Jalal's equal in birth, and not some airi gairi childhood playmate who got to marry him.that was a relief indeed

Nostalgia bit: Ruqaiya's clever quip to Jalal about what she wants to be - a girl before whom dost apna dil, shauhar apna imaan, aur shahenshah apna sar jhuka de- was clearly inspired by the classic lines from Mughal-e-Azam, where the sculptor, Sangtaraash, describes the statue he has made (which is really Anarkali covered in plaster) as one jisey dekh kar shahenshah apna taj, sipahi apni talwar aur insaan apna dil nikal kar uskay kadmon mein rakh degaa. I must say that Ekta's guys have got it better!😉..thanks for this ..i loved that dialogue from mughal e azam and yes Ekta's guys are doing an amazing job with the word plays

Shyamala B.Cowsik

NB: I do apologise for this excessive length, and promise to be better behaved in the future!😉

thank you for the pm and it indeed was a pleasure ...i for one have no complaints on the length ...you give such a deep insight to simple things that more or less go unnoticed in the show but reading from here you realise the importance...hope to see more of your analysis as the week progresses in your own time .


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Posted: 12 years ago
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there is a reason why they had stressed on sukanya and jodha in the start...sukanya detests being the second coz she gets everything hands down from jodha...and this time it will be the ultimate blow when her wedding is arranged with suryabhan who loves her sister...he may marry her for the sake of family but will not love her so easy and this will be another thorn for her which can lead to some interesting twists for Ekta if she wants

suryabhan will keep on convincing himself that jodha is in trouble and loves his ,his myth shall shatter when he sees her actually in love with her husband ...so after that either he starts paying attention to his own wife or turns negative ...another track for Ekta lol

he is for sure not dying but if I know how Ekta works ..he and sukanya will get married
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Tbh shyamala aunthy, the analysis is too long... 😳 For Riyya to read but I enjoyed reading it... 😳 Loved it 👏

I loved the most jalal n ruqaiya parts 😳... There was a discussion is some other place n I saw a comment that yes jalal does not have a heart as claimed by ruqaiya coz she's not even responding to his heart. For ruqaiya it's all abt mind games n most importantly her position in the harem. Had she thought further abt jalal having heart, no... She always wanted to rule him that way the way she's doing, ruling his mind. Like u said jodha coming in into the pic will make ruqaiya realize abt having a heart but dun u think that time it's too late already as jalal heart will be for jodha only.
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My dear, I am very pleased that you not only read the whole of this very long dissertation but actually liked it so much!

As for Bairam Khan, I think, since there was no way he could have usurped the throne, that he wanted to rule by proxy as long as possible, depending on Jalal's blind faith in him and respect for him. But he is stupid and goes too far.

When he tells Jalal, during the Zaheer affair, that he had been making all such decisions since Jalal was 14, I fully expected Jalal to retort that he was now no longer 14. But he does not, of course, and this emboldens Bairam Khan to commit the ultimate folly and hang that Raja whose life. the Emperor had specifically spared. Even his principal thug is afraid of what would happen, but not Bairam Khan, in his blind arrogance.

In terms of the historical facts, Bairam Khan was relieved of his duties by Jalal and sent off on a pilgrimage to Mecca. But he rebelled after going some distance away from Agra, was defeated and brought to Agra as a prisoner. Jalal forgave him again, and sent him back on the pilgrimage, but on the way, he was murdered by an old enemy. Seeing the way he carried on, that was no surprise!

Akbar married his widow out of compassion, and also perhaps to ensure that some enemy of Bairam Khan's did not murder her as well.

Shyamala B.Cowsik

Originally posted by: anjani-pagli

a very wonderful write-up indeed. I particularly liked the Jalaal Ruqaiya relationship details!!


The bairam khan - jalal relationships needs more clarifications from the makers I beliv!!
In a way, Mahaam Anga's hidden desires are clearly depicted, Bairam KHaan still remains under the wrap!!

Lets see, how the story shapes up. As per history, Bairam Khan died in a battle and Akbar as gratitude, married his wife

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Thank you so much, Kiran.

Shyamala B.Cowsik

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That, young lady, is why I intend to make sure that you read every one of my lo,,,ong posts! You need to increase your attention span! 😉 It will do you a lot of good with your studies, for one thing.

Jokes apart, I am pleased that you liked it.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: riyya6

Tbh shyamala aunthy, the analysis is too long... 😳 For Riyya to read but I enjoyed reading it... 😳 Loved it 👏


I loved the most jalal n ruqaiya parts 😳... There was a discussion is some other place n I saw a comment that yes jalal does not have a heart as claimed by ruqaiya coz she's not even responding to his heart. For ruqaiya it's all abt mind games n most importantly her position in the harem. Had she thought further abt jalal having heart, no... She always wanted to rule him that way the way she's doing, ruling his mind. Like u said jodha coming in into the pic will make ruqaiya realize abt having a heart but dun u think that time it's too late already as jalal heart will be for jodha only.

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Great analysis!👏 The good thing about a historical show is that we get to read some very mature and well-thought of posts by members, than the usual hysterical tweens populating IF, whose posts start with 'OMG...He is so Hot' and end with the same note!😆
Lolz...even I have been wondering about Suryabhaan and Jodha's romantic scenes! Creative Liberty is one thing...but has Ekta forgotten that her show is set in the 16th Century...in the royal families of Rajasthan, where leave aside mingling with a would-be-husband, a young princess was not even allowed to mingle with her own brothers! A lot of Rajasthani families, especially the ones with a royal lineage still follow strict purdah in front of men...and to think that in the 16th century, a princess would be allowed to meet and romance her fiancee is simply laughable and scandalous!😆
Ruqaaiya was the eldest daughter of another Mughal Prince and every inch a royal blood...in fact, more so than Akbar himself!😃 While Akbar's father was a Mughal King, his mother Haminda Begum, though from a good family, was not of royal blood...and this was an issue that pricked Akbar for years to come! Hence, he never acknowledged his son Daniyal (whose mother's ancestry was unknown) as compared to his other two sons who were both from women of royal lineage.
I have also read somewhere that Mahan Anga was actually one of Humayum's mistresses and her son was actually Akbar's half-brother! Can someone shed some light on this?
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Thank you for this wonderful analysis. Unfortunately, I didn't get the chance to watch any of the episodes from the past week because of exams, so reading your piece was 👍🏼. It is definitely interesting to see how khan baba is slowly loosing his power over Jalal. Also great points on Ruquiya's character... hadn't really thought of her feelings in the way you have explained . This week should definitely be more exciting! Once again thank you for amazing post. As always, I look forward to reading more of your posts!

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