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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: coolpixie


Agree..👍🏼
SO far, I'm impressed with this show, but only thing that is bothering me a little is the whole repetition of "Jodha will be the only one to change Jalal". I mean It's not that it's bad or anything, but I find that whole angle overused and overdone, in short, I find it cliche. Ekta has used this formula countless times in all her serials, but I wanted Jodha akbar to be a little different, this is the only fact that is keeping me from loving the drama wholeheartedly. I like it, but I can't seem to completely love it. As much I love Jalal, I wish that it wasn't the case, I wish that the basis of their relationship was a little different and maybe more innovative. She can change him, but I wish Akbar also had some attributes that she admired because to show that a particular person needs a complete 180 personality change is just really hard to believe and even to digest at some point. All in all, the whole bundle of goodness Jodha completely changing a bundle of grey shades Jalal is little hard to fathom, but I guess with time, I will get over that.
Though, I really wish ekta keeps these multi-layered shades on Ruqaiya's character, we don't need another one-dimensional lady villain hovering over, I would like Ruqaiya to be more explored in terms of the character.


You are right. Another thing that's completely annoying is the 'prophecy'. Even Jalal's mother gets the same prophecy from the sufi saint. Once is enough. How many times more do they have to emphasize the fact that Jodha will ultimately marry Jalal. Overstating the obvious a bit too much, we all know that its bound to happen. Isn't that the whole point of the show? Its just wasting time. The show is only 20 mins and they waste so much time on this. Its sort of annoying at times.
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Jodha will prove Ruquiya wrong and it will definitely piss her off. 😃
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Posted: 12 years ago
Episode Review: 04/07/2013

So Jalal is now back to Agra...when he was being announced into Agra..I thought the names that were called to describe Jalal were copied the film JA.. but then that is ok..

The harem is shown..and oh dear..I feel so bad for the ladies there..what a life they live ... don't want Jodha to be part of this harem ..I wish she has a different quarters all together for her to live..can't bear her there

Jodha is going to be bua...another reason for her to choose marriage with jalal over war..where the child might get orphaned..

Jalal only notices Ruqaiya from the harem of women.. she does hold a strong hold on him...🤔.and everyone are soo jealous .. what a life for those women

Poor hamida banu begum.. too much power play between the two mothers of jalal.. and between maham anga and bairam khan.. already bairam khan wasn't standing next to him...

We saw their interaction.. and I feel they don't have any romantic bond at all..even though she has a strong hold on him.. it will get lot more complicated when jodha comes into picture..

Oh yeah..when I saw them playing human chess .I thought those human pawns would get killed.. considering they all had talwar.. but glad to know that didn't happened 😊.. that would be too much blood and gore.. and so cruel that someone's death is someone else's entertainment..

In all..it was a good episode..I need to see more of smily suri..to say whether she was good for the part or not..

Haven't watched friday's episode yet..so will review that later ..after watching the episode... 😊
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Posted: 12 years ago
LOL I am just COPY pasting my take from another thread ,lazy Bones typing you see😆I am here with my two cents for this thread coz its better late than never😆😆😆
BEWARE OF THE RAMBLINGS AND LENGTH!!

About Power ,Pride, Play ,Politics, Pyaar and Prophecies

POWER

Power - The quest for Power ,the power for Kingdom ,the power for control and the power of lot many other issues seems to drive the whole Mughal clan and in fact the whole show. To analyse much into details we can further see the HUNGER for Power one by one.

The power of Jalaal ' Though commanding the title of the Badshah , the Shehenshah of Hindustan who has sovereign authority of terror and commandments. We do see that beyond the surface of this POWER driven Man ,is a young child who LISTENS .Irony it is ,but Jalaal listens,whether CATAPULTED by His Badi Ammi or Being Pulled like a PUPPET by the strings tightened by Bairam Khan.Yes He does Listen!! Though ,he never even hesitates an iota to pull the sword ,but Yet his POWER is somewhat HALF-BAKED.It is noteworthy ,REAL power only comes with the complete understanding of affairs and not using the crutches and glasses of OTHER POWER DRIVEN people who exercise CONTROL on his mind.

The Power of education ' I am going to emphasize here a VERY IMPORTANT AND RADICAL POV. Yes I do. The power of the MIND comes with the power of EDUCATION .Yes By education I actually take into account his reading and writing skills. Though he might have been subjected to practical training, BY ORAL TRADITIONS ,under the GUIDANCE of his MENTORS .But there is something which he BASICALLY lacks at this point of time.- A FINE SENSE OF JUDGEMENT which stems from his absence of FORMAL EDUCATION.I do not UNDERMINE at all the IMPORTANCE of LEARNING through others, but SELF- READING and schooling is an important basis for shunning the PREJUDICE that involves TELL TALE by others. When he listens and forms OPINIONS due to the his YEARS OF TRAINING by his mentor ,it's more like he reading a critical REVEIEW of a MOVIE even before watching it.The WHOLE idea is SUBJECTIVE and is not Spared by the PREJUDICE of the one who feeds the mind.I think when time comes ,He will REALISE the RATIONALITY that comes with education.

The Quest for Power and Sovereign authority Though this is more or less related to the era that these people belonged to, War was inevitable 'a matter of PRIDE FOR THE EXTENSION AND STRENGTHENING OF THE EMPIRE; it is not Impossible to assume that this HUNGER for POWER was more era driven than to have anything related to personal cruelty. If the Mughals wanted WAR AND WOMEN ,we do see that Rajput men too Talked about WAR AND WOMEN .Motives different yet the QUEST remains the SAME.

The Power of the Padshah Begum- Interesting is the kind of power that that the Padshah Begum Ruqaiyaa exercises not only over Jalaal's mind,but alos on the whole heirrachy of Harem begums' altogether.Its her POWER to command authority .It's her POWER to CHALLENGE the Badshah YET rule his MIND.

PRIDE

The word PRIDE is imbibed in every character of the story, be it the Mughals or the Rajputs. If for the Rajputs ,their land and woman and their bravery are a matter of pride ,then for the Mughals their COMMAND ,CRUELTY and Snatching away is a SYMBOL of their PRIDE. There is a STRANGE SIMELARITY in the PATTERNS of PRIDE .Both the Clans have it and they do not SHY away to FLAUNT IT.

While the PRIDE of most Rajput men lie in their TONGUES, MOUSTACHES AND SWORDS ,the PRIDE of Mughal men Lies in Their MIND. The contrast is WONDERFULLY DEPICTED .The IMPULSIVENESS of Rajputs contrasted with the SINSTER motives of Mughals- the VOCAL CHALLENGES of the Rajputs with DISGUISE AND SHEEPISHNESS of the Mughals.

The contrast of PRIDE is even more PROFOUNDLY depicted in the case of HIGHLIGHTING the difference in their women. If it's a matter of PRIDE for the Rajput women to talk about SACRIFICE , who would go to any lengths to maintain their pride and honour ;even READY TO DIE FOR THEIR MEN; then equally opposite is the Pride of the women in the Mughal HAREM who also would also resort to any means for their men but instead they talk about COMPETITION and are READY TO KILL to get the attention of their man.

Interesting again is the parallel and contrast between Jodha and Ruqaiya. Both these women RULE. But one RULES the heart of her man and she is PROUD not because SHE RULES but because her man places his DUTIES towards his people and kingdom above her . The other one is PROUD too , because she RULES the MIND of her man and FLAUNTS the PRIDE that the Shehenshah places her above all women in the Harem. One is GIVING, another is CLAIMING.

PLAY

The Eye play of Ruqaiya and Jalaal- Fantastically done!!Showing the kind of authority ,the comfort level and the beauty of their relationship.

THE CHESS GAME 'PLAY AND RULE- What appears to the eye ,is not what it it. The chess game PROVES it all. Though a mere challenge game ,but what is fascinating that Ruqaiya can actually not only PLAY with him gauging his MOVES seeing him through and through as if he was TRANSPARENT ,she also PLAYS upon him- CONTORTING AND PLAYING with her OWN words to get the TRUTH out of him. THE PLAY between them began from their childhood .From the fun games of CHILDHOOD to the MIND GAMES OF ADULTHOOD. These two have completely COME A LONG WAY. Kudos to the DEXTERITY with which it had been handled. It was by far the most ENCHANTING moment in JA so far. Also interesting is their CONCEPT of Winning and losing .For Ruqaiyya she lost herself to win over him giving him the pleasure of his OWN concept of being the WINNER always .The writer here again amazes me with a sharp contrast to her own CATEGORICAL STATEMENT. Though she lost herself but she WON in the end. The way she defines their relationship is wonderful.

She is the one who CLAIMS the heart of friend ,the iman of her shauhar and the Sar of her badshah.

The PLAY of words is SIGNIFICANT. It would be a REAL treat to watch the DOWNFALL yet feel TERRIBLE for the SELF PROCLAIMED UNDISPUTED QUEEN OF THE MIND OF THE BADSHAH.

Looking forward to the her PLAY once she stars realising her FALLEN status at the hands of Jodha .

The play of Mainawati- LOL to that !!I mean Seriously her forging letters nad then setting up the whole scenario for their lovey dovey DATE was Hilarious.She is the QUEEN for God's sake Ekta and not some Daily soap Mommy .LOL

PYAAR

The concepts of Pyaar and love is interesting.Though so many things are to be said and can be taken into account but for the sake of brevity I am going to RESTRICT the pyar into the following couples.

Here to explain better I am quoting some parts of a theory called Triangular theory of love.

The triangular theory of love is a theory of love developed by Psychologist, Robert Sternberg. In the context of interpersonal relationship, "the three components of love, according to the triangular theory, are an intimacy component, a passion component, and a decision/commitment component."

  1. Intimacy- ' Which encompasses feelings of attachment, closeness, connectedness, and bondedness.
  2. Passion ' Which encompasses drives connected to both limerence and sexual attraction.
  3. Commitment ' Which encompasses, in the short term, the decision to remain with another, and in the long term, the shared achievements and plans made with that other.

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Suryabhan and Jodha- Their love summarises PERFECTION , too perfect and beautiful to described. Two souls bound by same values and a love 'a bond that is fortified with mutual respect and admiration for HOLIER than thou virtues. However their bond can can summarise their love as COMPASSIONATE LOVE where they have lots of understanding and compassion but lacks passion and intimacy.

Jalal and Rquaiya-There bond is formidable .I say it is love ,yes it is because LOVE has may forms.Though their love may be non-romantic but it is very strong and it is beautiful too. Can be defined as Companionate love.

"Companionate love is an intimate, non-passionate type of love that is stronger than friendship because of the element of long-term commitment. "This type of love is observed in long-term marriages where passion is no longer present" but where a deep affection and commitment remain. The love ideally shared between family members is a form of companionate love, as is the love between close friends who have a platonic but strong friendship."

However I am waiting for Jodha Jalaal love story which will define the HIGHEST form of intimacy or CONSUMMATE LOVE.

"Consummate love is the complete form of love, representing an ideal relationship which people strive towards. Of the varieties of love, consummate love is theorized to be that love associated with the "perfect couple. According to Sternberg, these couples cannot imagine themselves happier over the long-term with anyone else, they overcome their few difficulties gracefully, and each delight in the relationship with one other. However, Sternberg cautions that maintaining a consummate love may be even harder than achieving it. He stresses the importance of translating the components of love into action. "Without expression," he warns, "even the greatest of loves can die."

The Pyaar of the MOMMIES -A word for the love of all three mothers ,yes three .While Mainawati 's love is totally relatable for her daughter ,on the other side another counterpart of Mainawati is Hamida Banu Begum ,the mother who craves for the love of her son .Her love is just like Mainawati 'pure and alloyed expecting nothing in return.Finally coming to the third MOMMY 'the ANAMOLY .Though her Love for Jalaal seeps through her eyes,her feelings seem genuine but the way the hint of CLAIMING authority comes across ,it makes Mahamanga an interesting blend.With a tongue as caustic and cautious as SLOW POISON and eyes that ooze tears and FEELINGS.She certainly comes across as a BEAUTY of CONTRASTS.

POLITICS

Politics again is a crux of the story whether it is the politics of the Harem women or the battle for power between Bairam Khan and Mahamanga. Politics is the core .

While Rajputs have their share of politics in the form of injustice to dislodge Sujamal from claiming the throne and later brewing up for the political alliance of Suryabhan and Jodha ,Mughals are not far behind,their politics is on a different level altogether.The sharpness and sheepishness and the hint of treachery is going to be a more ENGAGING feat in the Mughal clan altogether.Gearing up for that.


PROPHECIES

While the CV's seem absolutely besotted with the IDEA of Soul talks ,HIGHER COSMIC CONNECTION and PROPHECIES which they keep on repeating after every frame,it is a tad bit boring for an audience who expects a faster storyline.If they could only do away with Shaguni Bai spooking Mainawati every now and then.Does not APPEAL at all.

LOL my LOWE for <P> does not end here.How can I conclude even without talking about

PRODUCTION VALUES

YES they have IMPROVED 'A LOT specially the night scenes .But still something that is called BEAUTY is missing.The costumes are Ok ,the jewellery is fine ,the sets even look better and a bit grand now,but what is certainly lacking is a good camera work and a sheen which marks OPULENCE.Ahh is it such a herculean task to add that Antique sheen to those videos.Get a video editor ,add some SEPIA tone , work with hues ,tones and sharpness and one gets a quality SHEEN.SIMPLE it is it.*Wonders what's wrong with them *

So I have so much more to say with lots of P's but I am stopping here Right at this moment. Already late with this .Need to stop before everyone dozes by the time they reach the END.

Lubb😆😆😆

Piu.


Edited by manzilmukul - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
And a new week starts! :D

I hope they show the portrait scene today...lol...I saw the promo on TV...it looks even better on TV...I'm intrigued to see how Jalal plans out his intentions regarding Jodha.
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Posted: 12 years ago
Woah Piu ! That's one heck of a write up ! 👏 😆

Totally loved your points ! Tujhe writing team mein hona chahiye ! 😎

That what I said abt mainavati too in the Wknd thread ! Some thought I was not seeing that she is a mother who would do anything for a child ... But like you said that's what my point is - 👍🏼 stop showing her like other random balaji selfish moms who plot like this to get their daughter married into a rich family etc. 🥱
She is a queen for God's sake! Can they make it subtle by showing her talk it out with suryabhan about her fears than doing all this sham lol instead of making a pendulum when sometimes she ignores shaguni and other moment believes in her fortune stories ! 🤔
Edited by -Khush- - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
LOL you guys are actually discussing Mainavati in so much detail like she's an important character.

She's a typical hysterical mom as shown in BT soaps...I forward her scenes by default...lol

And subtlety from Ekta is a very far-fetched expectation...
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Posted: 12 years ago
@ Anu ! 😡 🤣
That is NOT detailed by my or piu's standards ! 🤣
It's just that Yaar ki after jodha she is the only one in Rajput clan whom I liked the way she carried herself in the beginning ! Natasha really has the presence to play a beautiful maharani ! So wished they didn't make her dramatic ! Sigh !
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: -Khush-

@ Anu ! 😡 🤣
That is NOT detailed by my or piu's standards ! 🤣
It's just that Yaar ki after jodha she is the only one in Rajput clan whom I liked the way she carried herself in the beginning ! Natasha really has the presence to play a beautiful maharani ! So wished they didn't make her dramatic ! Sigh !


She's like the forever worried mother.. like akshara's mom 🤣

Haye meri phool se beti ka kya hoga?
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Posted: 12 years ago
LOL what to say meenavati behaviour typical ektamata other shows mother who plot agianst her own daughter to send her in rich family 🤣but im glad that jodha catch her in precap and will came to know abt her antics👍🏼, and MM behaviour with inter religion people 😡let see how jodha tackle her, and jalal flirting with ruquiya let see whetehr he still continue doing that after jodha came in harem .
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July 8th:

Blahh episode...first entire half went in wohi typical boring Rajput stuff and Mainvati boreness.

Jalal was shown in only one ending scene with Ruqaiya which was a cute one...but inconsistent...why does she call him "tum" one second and "aap" the next? Weird.

And Mahamanga has her own bg score now? LMAO the way it was going all whispery "Mahamangaaa" sounded like something out of a horror show.

And the epi was high on OTT-ness once again...that MA scene with random Hindu maid was so over the top with the woman crying for religious secularity...yet again subtlety is lost in the Ekta-ness...lol...Also it really is JARRING to see Kali Maa being used as the deity from this area of the country...it's a weird contrast to draw.

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