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Posted: 14 years ago

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Originally posted by: --Saaki--
Yeah........

Well,I was just being silent reader out here........

Could not resist myself commenting to this topic........

Seriously yaar,they do create some "False Impression" about South-Indian costumes & makeup.........

Dont they know,its "Tamil Film Industry" or "Kollywood" which is famous than Bollywood........

They do produce such a lovely movies.........their dress & music sense is much more modernised than Bolly's................

If thye think we south-Indian just have this kind of hair-styles & make-ups(as shown in the show),then they have to watch.......films like

"Enthiran","Shivaji","Don"(not the bollyoowd one,its Tamils's Ajit has done it),"Boys"......the technologies,make-ups,locations,Dance,Music & the creativity hidden in that.............

Then definitely they will know what we South-Indians are really like.......

One "Folk & Mirchi Dance" wont give you the picture of "South-India".......WE South - Indians have many much more descent & adventurous Dance-Forms as well.................Which are dignified & as well as entertaining....Why dont these people try those .They just stick to one "Tapori Dance" & say South-Indian dances are like that......Thats really foolish............😕

I really hope seeing just one "Dance " ,people wont decide the Style & Living of we South-Indians.......................

Originally posted by: shri kannan
I constantly see Stars performing for south indian songs especially tamil and telugu. But the costumes that they wear are kinda insulting us. Go for Dhoti(men) and half saree (women).

But whats with cheap makeup ,bended braids with pink ribbons,half saree that is 3/4th and the weird expressions ? Do you think that our movies or people in real life wear such things?

I could have taken that its funny if it was done in one show...but the same costume and expressions are repeated in all the dance shows...whenever the song turns out to be a south indian folk...

I am fan of ragini but i felt really bad while seeing the promos and the judges giving her a full on 30 :(

P.S: The word 'you' is directed towards the choreographers and the performers only😊

telugu movies are much more advanced than Hindi movies... now a days lots of remakes are made from south to north.. example is ghajini - and more are expected.. all priyadarsan movies in hindi are remakes from malayalam/tamil..

it is an entertainment industry.. and its main job is to entertain people, and it should be treated that way rather than taking it in a negative sense.. it look like the poster is ashamed of his culture..😆

today's ragini's performance deserves 30.. as far as the costumes etc is concerned it was there in south century back so nothing wrong in adopting that concept..

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Posted: 14 years ago

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Yup Tanu di..If this topic is for films and all..then its justified..but if this topic is regarding what ragini and Neerav performed today..then I wud say..they didnt make fun of anyone..nor did they intend to😛and hope I am not sounding offensive with my previous post😊

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petticoat

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Posted: 14 years ago

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Well
Wikipedia is not a forum to define what a folk dance constitutes
I am south Indian and I know what I am talking about
Dapaankuthu is drunken dancing that happens during funeral processions. THere are no steps as such just weird gyrating moves.

There is no history to the dance which folk has

Folk dances of the south are a different genre. Heard of mayilattam, oyilattam, kavadiattam, kummi, devarattam, karagattam, etc? they are the southern folk dances to my knowledge. Not dapaankuthu

dapaankuthu is as much a folk dance as "bollywood dancing" is.

I dont think ragini did justice to the theme at all

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Posted: 14 years ago

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Originally posted by: bandicoot
Well
Wikipedia is not a forum to define what a folk dance constitutes
I am south Indian and I know what I am talking about
Dapaankuthu is drunken dancing that happens during funeral processions. THere are no steps as such just weird gyrating moves.

There is no history to the dance which folk has

Folk dances of the south are a different genre. Heard of mayilattam, oyilattam, kavadiattam, kummi, devarattam, karagattam, etc? they are the southern folk dances to my knowledge. Not dapaankuthu

dapaankuthu is as much a folk dance as "bollywood dancing" is.

I dont think ragini did justice to the theme at all

While I agree that Wikipedia is not exactly an authoritative source, I think based on your information Dapaankuthu would fulfill the criteria of a folk dance. Folk dance is any dance evolved for social occasions. Traditionally they were not for profession or performance, but more of a form of socialization, celebration etc. Even drunken revelry, or dances evolved from drinking traditions will fulfill criterion of a folk dance. Many Irish jigs or Russian folk dances are also associated with drinking and more of free form. Despite being very free form they have some structural distinguishing elements.

A lot of the dances you mention are religious dance forms. They are somewhat unique in between classical and folk, very unique to South Asia, and South East Asia that have religious dance rituals. They are not traditionally structured like classical dance, but unlike folk which evolves more fluidly - there is a ritualistic structure and expectation to these. However, many religious forms are either sorted as classical or folk depending on traditional structure, training tiers or sociological perspective.

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petticoat

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Posted: 14 years ago

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Yes religious dances are classified as classical or folk based on the source.
Bharatanatyam itself was abhorred for a while as a "dasi" dance before its revival.

Just curious, would you slot Bollywood dancing or the hindi cinema dancing as "folk" by that criteria

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Posted: 14 years ago

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^Caro - DapaanKuthu are not just used on funerals, also weddings and to celebrate victory. Later on it was spread to all over Tamil Nadu and thanks to Kolly movies, they use it as some mass song😳

But like Hades wrote above its associated with social events so it fall under the criteria for folk dance.

However, coming back to Raginis performances, it was not a full-packed one cause its always high expectation for nakka mukka and its a fast number and the steps was a little bit slow and repetitive movements but then again..she is new and she did full justice to whatever her choreographer taught her and she was expressive too👍🏼

To topicmaker, it was not cheap costume and make up, they even shows such stuff on south indian dance shows but agreed with you, they show the same repeated dance and costumes in most of the shows when it comes to South Indian folk dance🥱

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Posted: 14 years ago

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Meli no dance performance ever does justice to naaku mukka ..LOL
That song was a rage even before the movie released. The movie got delayed by some production fiasco and the song was on radio topping all the lists for months. Did u know there was a weird female version of the song as well?

If we adopt that wide of a definition for dapakuthu, I think just about all of us are exponents of the form :P including me..

Anyway one weird aspect is they keep repeating that weird hairstyle- the braided hair that is stiff like a puppy's tail! The last time I think I saw it in a proper south movie was in a 1982 movie-gopurangal saaivathillai with Suhasini Maniratnam http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCyOi22SxiY
and it was not even intended to be funny in that movie

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Posted: 14 years ago

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Originally posted by: bandicoot
Just curious, would you slot Bollywood dancing or the hindi cinema dancing as "folk" by that criteria

No Bollywood does not fall under folk because it really is not a 'genre' of dance at all. It is as much a dance genre as much as pop music is a music genre. Folk dance or music has a regional or ethnic flair to it. There is a sociocultural significance in its evolution. There is a distinct identity to some forms of movement, a social significance, a style of music. Take folk Indian - bhangra, garba or even foreign like swing, troika, etc, you can see that distinctness.

Bollywood is theatricality. It is a hodge podge medley of all sorts of dance forms fused together for theatrical effect, larger than life histrionics and entertainment. There is no regional or ethnic flair. There is the social significance of cinema; but the dance and music really can be any element at any given time from any given influence.

One of my biggest pet peeve with many shows like JDJ - is excessive Bollywood and theatricality instead of proper dance genres and authenticity. Especially when in India itself we have so many dance forms people are unaware of. It is what in Gleekdom would be called Hairograhy - dramatic hair-tossing (and other added drama)—to distract from the fact their singing and dancing ability is limited.

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Lathika

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Posted: 14 years ago

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Originally posted by: bandicoot
Well
Wikipedia is not a forum to define what a folk dance constitutes
I am south Indian and I know what I am talking about
Dapaankuthu is drunken dancing that happens during funeral processions. THere are no steps as such just weird gyrating moves.

There is no history to the dance which folk has

Folk dances of the south are a different genre. Heard of mayilattam, oyilattam, kavadiattam, kummi, devarattam, karagattam, etc? they are the southern folk dances to my knowledge. Not dapaankuthu

dapaankuthu is as much a folk dance as "bollywood dancing" is.

I dont think ragini did justice to the theme at all

it is better if you clear about what folk dance is.. wiki says

The term folk dancedescribes dances that share some or all of the following attributes:

They are dances performed at social functions by people with little or no professional training, often to traditional music or music based on traditional music.
They are not designed for public performance or the stage, although traditional folkdances may be later arranged and set for stage performances.
Their execution is dominated by an inherited tradition rather than by innovation (although like all folk traditions they do evolve)
New dancers often learn informally by observing others and/or receiving help from others.

More controversially, some people define folk dancing as dancing for which there is no governing body or dancing for which there are no competitive or professional performances.

Ragini and her choreographer justified their theme .. and got well deserved 30

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petticoat

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Posted: 14 years ago

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^ Again wikipedia is no authority. Anybody can change content.

As for how well they justified it, I disagree. Let us leave it as difference in preferences/opinions

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