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Posted: 10 years ago
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Kids behave erratically we all know, especially teenagers. because a lot of factors come into play.
But the same holds for all human beings nearly. And no one is the same. Even for the same set of events, people behave differently - sometimes in ways that one cannot always comprehend.

We do not know the full story for the separation or divorce and/ or the reasons behind it. Or what actually prompted the sharing of the kids? Or whatever?

Yet, we are so ready to pass on the entire blame to Ragini. She is blamed for everything that has gone wrong under the sun, but yes, the kids are alright because that's how they are supposed to be and behave.

Forget about their flawed Mother , I am so attuned to Nishi's statement that there was no need to intervene in the case of Shilpa's accident since a lot of people do lose their lives everyday in street accidents and nobody cares. Oh well maybe kids are supposed to probably think like that.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: 3serialfan40


TRUE - warna hamari story nahi hoti 😉

No absolutely thats not wrong, but Nishi is so selfish she cannot see beyond her immediate problem. She believes her mom did not want her to be married since she is heart broken, she lashed out! -I understand lashing out in the heat of the moment, but Nishi does it all the time. She was upset that her mother wanted her to finish her education. She did not even care about the dowry her *so called* (will explain that in a bit) in law had presented in front of her mother. Her mother was all set to become homeless for her shaadi and yet that point is conveniently forgotten by our Nishi madam. In fact her willing to sell her own house, should have been one big of a statement to Nishi, that her mother did want her to marry as she believed that was where her happiness was.


They were her in laws to be I'm not sure what you mean by "so called" Their problem was not that Ragini sent him to jail, but that he did something resulting in him going to jail. As the Daadi said if their relative was in jail would Ragini have accepted Jignesh? Really? Dadi is that fuss about rule breakers? Ooo, I didn't know since she seems to be in love with the word dowry. I guess that is legal then in her head. Because per me that makes her a criminal too? But HEYHO, because the pressure of money was brought about in the form of a party, I guess she can conveniently call herself the RIGHTEOUS one. Ragini believes in the concept of justice (apparently) therefore as long as it was not JIGNESH and the family had put a criminal behind bars, am sure the Patel would not have mind. But again, that is an aspect yet to be explored. Dadi was hell bent in involving Neil, so why is she so fussed now? It is a mind boggling scenario.


Refusing to see Nishi in a different light is your prerogative, but in general why would you wish anyone bad luck even if it is a fictional character? Bad luck? Not so much. Karma very much so. It is very easy to sit back and blame the parents, but when that same child undergoes 1% of that mannerism he or she ensured their parents embarked upon, then a lesson is truly learnt. - And in blue, hope that little para above explained it.

In red!

So called in law: They pretended to be the nicest people on the planet. When Ragini had blasted them, they behaved ever so kindly referring to the happiness of the kids, and what not. And after that, when Ragini agreed. Every time they had to find something to pick on thanks to the elder in their family. Pretentious family, who cannot stand for what is right. And yet roam around yapping about the happiness of their son being the forefront of everything they do. Yeah right.

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: 3serialfan40


yes that's right they are both very immature we cannot expect much from their children!
The sad part with them is that, so far they have not been depicted as caring parents, but rather they have been using their children as weapons in the quest of hurting each other. Parents may separate but the love for their children remain the same, that is what this EKTA MAIYA was promoting right? YEAH RIGHT!

Good for you and great your mom has raised you right! Ragini has not raised her kids as well as your mom! It is not about being raised right. It is about respecting one's parent regardless of how pissed off one is. Raising your voices and pointing out how you wished you were living with your father because your mother does not know how to maintain a marriage, was in bad taste. Nishi needs to understan that it takes two to tango and that her father did not give two hoots about all those years for her to be comparing him to Ragini. Ragini always talks about her upbringing being great, but what she failed to realise was one should not be forceful on their children. She always reminds them of the sacrifices she embarked upon, which I guess makes the children feel those sacrifices were not worth it. They fail to understand her struggle because she is so hell bent on plastering it on their faces.


Maybe she is not meant to be a working woman. Some people choose to be at home, not practical in this day and age, but it certainly is her choice. Her mother wants her to be educated and independent, wonderful thought, and if she had any sense she will do as her mother says. But perhaps she wants to be at home and perhaps she has a has a flair for being a mother and wife - who knows - it is a woman's right to choose to do that, regardless of whether or not it is in her interest or not right? Of course it is one's own choice. After all we do live in a democratic society, so I would like to think. But why Ragini bear the burden of her marriage all alone? I bet you would write, she is their mother, she has to pay for her marriage. But then I would say, if we truly believe in the concept of freedom to make the choice of marriage at such a young age, then we should be able to hand money over to our parents, to state here is my share that I would like to contribute towards the marriage. But nahi?

I dont understand why Joggy is getting such flak, he knows her for say 2 years, he has to be go against his family who he knows and loves for 20 odd years because this unstable character decided her long lost brother is now very important to her. He seemed reluctant, and torn to leave, but I'm glad he had a back bone to leave. What's with this, once you fall in love you have to do what the girl wants no matter how unreasonable and idiotic she is? As Jiggy's dad said if she had confined in them they could have handled Daadi, this was a short from the dark how do you expect them to react? would ragini have put up with it if Jignesh's brother from another mother showed up, let alone be in jail and not hear about it? Whats in it for Jiggy hanging onto this crazy bunch. I say think twice Jiggy - get out while you are ahead. These Patel-Khannas are a mess! Areee , if Jignesh's family had such an issue, they should have said no to the marriage in the first place nah?They knew of DADI's demeanor. Jignesh's character has been portrayed like a dodo. He tells Nishi he loves her, and wants to marry her, but the first sigh of trouble, he runs away. #sigh.I am not just referring to the night in question, but to previous episodes as well. Everyone knew of this Patel-Khannas' mess. They knew of RAGINI's hatred for her husband (ex) too but nope they had to milk him out and now when things get tough only one person is blamed? Jignesh leaving with his parents? Perfect as you should always opt for your family over a girl or boy. But for them to blame only Ragini, aint cool. But then again when you have Ragini chatting nonsense like, he aint my son- what else can you expect from the ones she did raise.

Who brought Neil and the siblings back to the scene? NISHI!
Who took Shilpa to the lieu from which point her accident occurred? Aarav

Yet blame Ragini only.😆


NO you are right Neil is equally to blame, but why is she getting the heat from the children? Ragini is constantly harping about how well she raised her children. But they cannot seem to find fault with the father! That's the wonderful way in which the kids were raised why is that Neil's problem? His kids for whatever reason are loyal to him and dont cross the line, it maybe because they are not free enough with him or are afraid of him, want the luxuries in life whatever!, they never cross the line, these do! They are not afraid of him. Neil does not suffocate his children with the talks about his past, he keeps himself bottled up, which makes them yearn for his love and affection. Agam knows how to speak to his father and show him the light. He does not feel the need to disrespect him and tell him he would have been better raised by his mother. Luxuries they had from a small age, they do not want it. They want love. I sincerely wish Ragini's two kids were given better character sketches. Agam has told Neil that he too never bothered with his other two kids, so why is Ragini the only one acquiring the blame(before they came to India).

I agree she can say that, in fact Jiggys dad wanted to know why they had not shared that information with them! But she is selfish and unstable and all she wants to do is get married. I WISH they had shown her character in a better light. She was one of the loved siblings in the earlier episodes. One moment she feels for her mother when Aarav is harsh and the next she is parroting Aarav's dialogues. Does she really think Neil can be a better father? He only came back because of Ragini apparent marriage. He wanted to see for himself, he never came back for Nishi.


Good questions for the CVs why did they not explore this. I suspect because the audience wants the emotional atyachar, then we all feel sorry for ragini and make her into a devi maiyya! I do not feel sorry for her though, she has brought all of this on herself by burying her emotions and pretending to be a stone in front of her children. Ragini is full of flaws, her behavior with Agam is despicable.


True if you believe you have the right and if you believe you have the familiarity! he has never been shown to interact with the kids. He has the hots for her mother, her mother does not reciprocate. But has asked him to be the fake husband mind you not a fake dad. In his role of fake husband he gets carried away and becomes fake dad, Nishi does not know he is even a fake husband, so clearly she is irritated that he is interfering. I agree that it none of his business to interfere. But since he gave money for Nishi's shaadi despite it being a loan, maybe he thought he could? ALSO, I guess he got irked at her insulting Ragini's ability to maintain a marriage. The grandmother should have interfered rather than AMAN.


Here I agree with you they are brats, but they happen to be Ragini's brats, she brought them into this world and made them into brats!
Agreed😆 Which is why I always found her idiotic talks about her upbringing being great to be quite laughable. BTW, RAGINI is getting what she deserves from Nishi and Aarav. WHY? Because she is so evil to Agam, the one son who understands her. She does it to push him away, but she still hurts him. So karma is just repaying her.


Edited by _innocent_ - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: _innocent_

So called in law: They pretended to be the nicest people on the planet. When Ragini had blasted them, they behaved ever so kindly referring to the happiness of the kids, and what not. And after that, when Ragini agreed. Every time they had to find something to pick on thanks to the elder in their family. Pretentious family, who cannot stand for what is right. And yet roam around yapping about the happiness of their son being the forefront of everything they do. Yeah right.
The same can be said about Ragini - changes her mind often, maybe they are pretentious or they come under peer pressure. Ragini on the other hand is righteous and random!
Still dont get the "so called" I guess what you were trying to say is "so called nice"


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Edited by 3serialfan40 - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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I bet you if they CVs are reading this they are saying aloud "uh huh yup yup that is what we had in mind" and are thinking "we never gave this s^%t as much thought as this woman but what the hell we will take the credit for it 😉

Learn from me CVs put logic into your story you guys are paid to do this, I have too much free time so I do it for my entertainment!
Edited by 3serialfan40 - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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I know the discussion is on Nishi but I must add Ragini as a mother and person in very inconsistent we just can't place her. Neil is more consistent, but Ragini makes and breaks rules which is convenient for her. We can't expect Arav and Nishi to be perfect but it is all about words and how you say it, if Nishi had said why instead of me being with Papa I wish Papa was with us the whole tone of the argument is different which is what Agham and Suhani want they don't want to be away from father they just want their mother with them that is the big difference between Nishi Arav and Agham Suhaani attitude. I don't know if we can blame Arav and Nishi lack of understanding on Ragini directly but even the best of parents can go horribly wrong. But what I wish Ragini would stop doing is comparing the value of upbringing with Neil, it is shameful on her part when she knows that Agham is a good kid and whereas her own kids are giving her so much pain so Neil has not done a bad job.

I think the writers caught a loop hole Ragini was talking to a sleeping shilpa so they can say Ragini would never ask Shilpa to lie if she was awake, kind of like get a jail free card for Ragini to say she always sticks to her principles. The irony here is we thought it was Arav who needed to give Shilpa a second chance who would have thunk that it was Shilpa who actually had a good heart and so much respect for Ragini that one crying request from her favourite aunty she let bygones be bygones. Yes the matter does reek of hypocrisy if Pam used her emotions instead of money then would we be on her side probably not she would still be the villain.

But that doesn't excuse Ragini from lying about her marriage. As far as Nishi attitude towards marriage goes she doesn't know ABC of marriage so it is laughable that she would pass comment on her parents. If Nishi had asked what happened to her mother in a concerned tone instead of accusing her mother of failing as a wife then we can understand Nishi. I don't mind Aman interfering if Karan can interfere in Neil business why not Aman and he cares for Ragini just as much as Karan does only different being he is in love but that doesn't take away his right to stand up for her. First of all Ragini has one useless mother so poor Aman had to step in. But Ragini herself should have said something maybe she is tired of giving bashans to her kids who are never going to understanding. You think Ragini is greatful for Agham somewhere there is one kid she could be proud of.

I don't think we can overanalyze Nishi attitude she is a mere plot device for Neil and Ragini a child they need to fix once she gets married and starts crying buckets over her marriage. Nishi doesn't seem to have any real affection for her other siblings, when Agham said he was leaving she could have reacted with so much warmth one hug parting words of goodbye from a big sister to her little brother but she is only thinking about Jiggy boy. No she is not likeable and never was but Suhani will do nicely in her place. Agham will do nicely in Arav place, Arav just needs a thrashing from his dad he will fall into line quickly.
Edited by loveanime - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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We have yet to see one scene where Neil kids are abusive towards him. Have we ever see them speak in a loud voice, blame him, insult him or hurt his feelings NOOO why is that. Why are Ragini kids like this what has Neil done right. Suhani's unhappiness with her father she told so politely with so affection and concern, Neil response was very cold but Suhani had the maturity to understand her father. Agham too shares his pain with his father but doesn't blame him his father for not being more loving for his Dad is still king. Ranbir in his own weird way wants to protect his father from his mother because his mother is no good. Neil kids state their POV in such a dignified manner I have to take notes.

We have to admire Pam here she might have bad mouthed Ragini but she has taught the kids that their father is great. If Agham and Suhani say even word against their father we saw how violently Pam reacts she is ready to slap them blue. Big thumbs up for Pam here. Look at Ragini household even the maid Sunny Tai has a go at Ragini, she even teaches Ragini kids to go against their mother wishes behind her back and the grandmother is a silent spectator of Ragini struggles doesn't stand up for her daughter, so Ragini is free season for everyone to abuse and lecture no one stands up for her feelings.

I think the big thing is Arav and Nishi know their mother weakness they understand their mother needs them she lives for them so they take her for granted and take her for a abusive ride. They know no matter how insulting they are Ragini will always be there for them, so when you don't fear losing something you don't need to cherish it. As far as Neil kids are concerned he doesn't spend time with them he is emotionally distant, so I think they have this fear their father doesn't need them he can get up anytime and leave and he won't miss them if they are not around. They might have this fear of abandonment they already don't have a mother what if they don't have a dad either so they protect Neil shower respect and love on Neil so as not to upset or hurt him that he will leave them, they don't take him for granted because they fear losing him.
Edited by loveanime - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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@3serialfan40...Nah, I meant "so calle.d" Its my manner of referring to her in laws, the people she so highly regards as the best in the world. If you didn't get it, woh bhi tik hai.LOL


#Indeed, to each their own.I find her to be an intolerable and ungrateful brat, you don't. Perfectly acceptable. I find Ragini and Neil to be the world worst parents, but some argue that Neil is better. From which angle, am yet to comprehend as both elected to forget their children to satisfy their each egos. BUT reading on people's different take is always interesting.

Apologies as I cannot quote and answer both of your comments at this given moment in time.


The comment you've made about Aman, I agree.


@Loveanime, you make some valid points. Your second comment, especially the last paragraph, youve hit the nail on its head about not fearing the lost of someone you do not cherish.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: bhanu


Nishi is a teenager, she has right to question her parents and has every right to wish that both her parents be with her on her wedding,

parents needs to treat their teenage kids like friends we need to sit and talk to them to know whta is happening in their lives what problem they have and how to solve them. that way they dont go on a wrong path by trying to solve their problems on their own but here ragini only order the kids what to do and the way she looks at jignesh parents is as if she is very smart and they are dumb, maybe they are uneducated but ragini has no right to treat them like that. when pam called them dumb neil shut her up and we actually need someone to shut ragini up also.

Ragini has hurt agam so many times with her words and action, and has no nice words to talk to nishi about her broken marriage, she has no emotional bond with any of her kids. and what is that upbringing to talk to neil about when she has not given any time or support to her kids. she will always be ready to give lecture to neil about his kids,

what Sunny tai said was right, she send ranbir to jail because he is neil's son and jignesh dadi questioned her about aman being at her place all the time, but she does nothing to correct all those according to her whatever she does is right,

When neil came to know about nishi he went to aman to go to jignesh house to talk to them , but what did ragini do , nothing but check the stock at the hospital and eat dinner.

I agree she worked hard to take care of the kids but it was her choice the kids didnot ask her to leave her husband and take care of them alone instead of dividing the kids she should have sent all the kids with neil. then she din't have to work to take care of the kids.

I would better be without a mom than have a mom like ragini.


I agree. Mothers are the best friends of their daughters . For that mothers need to understand their children better, sometimes have to come down to the kids' level to see their perspective on life. It then becomes easier to teach, guide and correct them. But ragini's introvert nature prevents her from opening up to the children and sharing her emotions with them. Its a tough situation both ways for this family - for Ragini and her children as well.

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