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Posted: 12 years ago
#31

Originally posted by: redfox

I know that almost everything has already been said about the PH's attitude in the past 4-5 days but I just needed to get things off my mind.

I am a silent member, a stalker and never comment except on the FFs that I followed. But the open letter by the good for nothing PH about their precious " babies" on their own forum have incesenced me enough to want to rant. I am livid with them and myself for having loved their baby.

All this time I have heard of channels wanting to shut a show and the PH fighting to save it. This is the first PH that wants to kill their own baby and that too again. And why..because they have a new one now. Fine you want to expand your horizon, start new shows, you can do that..but not at the expense of old one. You don't snatch away food (finance, creatives, technicians, interest) from one baby so that you can feed another. If you don't have the capacity to manage both of them don't plan a new venture. See the first one through its well deserved end and then move on to the next. Don't leave it languishing behind so that people beg you to end it.

And who the hell in their right mind declares on a public forum that they gave draggy episodes that did not even make sense to them and that they have run out of ideas. How is it that 4 lions is the only PH that runs out of ideas a year into their shows when other shows can go on with a decent story line for years together. If you had this problem with the first show, didn't it occur to you to make amends in this matter in your second show, to ensure that you hire creatives that are competent enough to do the job that they are being paid for as long as is required from them.

Does it not pain you to see the extent to which you have ruined a once beautiful show. How you have crushed the promise the show once presented. How much negligence it must have taken to bring it to this pathetic state considering I see first time writers on this forum doing a better job that the so called creatives.

Or is it that it just doesn't matter to you. You got whatever it is that you wanted to extract form your shows and now they can shut down for all you care. From where I see you used your first show as a stepping stone to reach a big channel and used the second one to increase your fame and consolidate your position in television world. Once they served their purpose you no longer care for them.

Not everyone is lucky to have such awesome actors to work with and such massive fan following that are ready to give you innumerable chances to redeem yourself run out of ideas because they love your baby. And how do you reward them..by mocking them with "the story has run its course..we will continue because you want us too but provide us with ideas". Seriously, have you all never heard of PR. Time and again I see blunders on your part when dealing with fans. If you don't know how to deal with feedback, then its better to shut down communication through social media. Trust me you will be doing yourself a very very big favor by antagonizing lesser people because the rate at which you are annoying people, I guess you would be left with very few viewers by the time you are done with your new baby.



Thanks for the post and agree with everything you said. I did not have the courage to read the letter as I heard enough and knew that it will be more stressful and demeaning to say the least to go through that note.

The one thing that comes to me clearly is that currently almost all the fans of the show are so stressed out that one wonders if anyone is actually enjoying the show... Geet fans went through the same (I did not watch it though)... the PH does not seem to care about how much they are hurting the ones, who are supposed to be their bread and butter. Is that not professional suicide????

In this day and age where people are so busy and hardly have time for themselves are investing so much of it in this show. Have the PH totally lost it and are not able to see it or they have gotten so arrogant that nothing seems to affect them any more. If Barun is the issue at least have the decency of not allowing it to show in your work. There will umpteen problems in producing a show but letting your audience know of what is happening at every point is bordering on childishness!!!

Our only hope is SP stepping in taking over as they only can bring in a semblance of decorum to the whole pathetic issue. Also, they have made huge forays into international market with IPK and so would not let it go so easily. UK or no UK. I think the issue here would be for the PH letting IPK go to another PH. They would want to end it as a part of their PH and SP will not allow them to end it. What is the best way to do things! Kill the show and fans interest and put them off so much that they stop watching the show naturally.

They did it with Geet and as it the channel was closing down and it was much easier!! With IPK we have everyone fighting tooth and nail to save it and also SP's involvement makes things awkward for the 4 rats.
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Posted: 12 years ago
#32

Originally posted by: vellainsaan


The question here is 'DO THEY WANT TO?"
They sounded so casual about announcing to the world that we are not creative anymore. You people won't quit watching so now you should do our job. Instead of brainstorming and coming up with good tracks they thought of washing their hands off the show. I cannot seem to wrap my head around the absurdity of all this.



See the point is there are lot of takers for this show still. Even the second production house I believe is still interested in continuing as well as the channel. It is only 4Lions who wants out. They I don't understand why the 4Lions PH doesn't hand over the reins of the show to some one else and walk out dignified. That would save lot of trouble for everyone and even fans would be grateful. But the way 4Lions is out to humiliate and demean the viewers is horrible. They will learn things the hard way.
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Posted: 12 years ago
#33

Originally posted by: redfox



So many chances and they let all of them go to drain.
If I am not mistaken they asked for ideas and feedback from their previous show fans aswell but never used them amd when questioned about the same they said they will use it in the new shows. From where I see, history is repeating itself



I seriously don't think the creatives of this show are asking for ideas for extending this show. The decision about this show has already been made. They have to announce it and get it over with. Whoever thinks that the PH is wanting to extend this story and IPK is sure fooling themselves. We will see the end of IPK near may be in the next 2-3 months. I can very well see the ideas given by fans here would be used in QH. Many of the ideas that Geet's fans gave were utilized in IPK and now it is going to be QH. The history is repeating itself is what I too feel.
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Posted: 12 years ago
#34

Originally posted by: psarada



I am okay with actors trying to do newer things. I would always ask my manager if I can do something out of ordinary. But definitely if my manager mocks me in public and belittles me and worse makes me out to be a scapegoat, I don't think I would ever want to be associated with the team in life. What the actors want to do in their life is their priority. If they think they can handle many things together then it is their headache. If the PH can't comply to their wishes then it should be firm and say so. But dilly dallying like this, mocking their team and making a public tamasha is no way to go. I am mentally prepared to see IPK breathe its end by Dec of this year. Fine with me. But I would never venture into any new show made by this PH. I am going to avoid them like plague. There are so many better options in life and frankly my time is too precious to be wasted on morons like these.



Dilly dallying has always been a problem.with this PH. They never say anything clearly. They always come up.with excuses and let others take the blame. Oh and the famous testing the water by giving half baked info to the so called spoiler givers. They are not the only ones who face obstacls and adversities.But they are probably tue only ones who.are so inept at dealing with them
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Posted: 12 years ago
#35

Originally posted by: rima

good post


you must send this to them

they seem to be really dumb'

they have a cast par excellence

a storylline wirth so much'they blew it time after time

plus their horrid PR

theyneed to shape up



They need to shape up big time but the problem is they dont accept that they need to shape up. You, I..heck the whole world can tell them that but nothing is going to happen they understand that it is them.that erred. They see themselves as poor little victims and the whole world as their enemies
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Posted: 12 years ago
#36

Originally posted by: vellainsaan


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<font size="2" color="#000066">The question here is 'DO THEY WANT TO?"</font>
<font size="2" color="#000066">They sounded so casual about announcing to the world that we are not creative anymore. You people won't quit watching so now you should do our job. Instead of brainstorming and coming up with good tracks they thought of washing their hands off the show. I cannot seem to wrap my head around the absurdity of all this.</font>



Precisely, I dont thirnk they want to shape up as they see nothing wrong in their behaviour
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Posted: 12 years ago
#37

Originally posted by: vellainsaan


Ok, thanks for the info. I was of the opinion it's a SP India event only. 😊

@bold : HM in UK?? 😆 from the PH who can't afford decent clothes for the leads... Jyada nahi ho gaya? 🤣


🤣
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Posted: 12 years ago
#38

Originally posted by: nerina

True they should not have snatched the essence
and theme of this serial and build a new one with new leads on the same lines. On
the contrary it will be uniquely boring
and difficult to watch it with new lead
pairs after having watched ISPKKND the original Master piece. Anyways everyone is entitled to their opinion this is mine.



I dont know about unique..but it sure sounds boring..atleast IMO

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Posted: 12 years ago
#39

Originally posted by: sheanuzz



Thanks for the post and agree with everything you said. I did not have the courage to read the letter as I heard enough and knew that it will be more stressful and demeaning to say the least to go through that note.

The one thing that comes to me clearly is that currently almost all the fans of the show are so stressed out that one wonders if anyone is actually enjoying the show... Geet fans went through the same (I did not watch it though)... the PH does not seem to care about how much they are hurting the ones, who are supposed to be their bread and butter. Is that not professional suicide????

In this day and age where people are so busy and hardly have time for themselves are investing so much of it in this show. Have the PH totally lost it and are not able to see it or they have gotten so arrogant that nothing seems to affect them any more. If Barun is the issue at least have the decency of not allowing it to show in your work. There will umpteen problems in producing a show but letting your audience know of what is happening at every point is bordering on childishness!!!

Our only hope is SP stepping in taking over as they only can bring in a semblance of decorum to the whole pathetic issue. Also, they have made huge forays into international market with IPK and so would not let it go so easily. UK or no UK. I think the issue here would be for the PH letting IPK go to another PH. They would want to end it as a part of their PH and SP will not allow them to end it. What is the best way to do things! Kill the show and fans interest and put them off so much that they stop watching the show naturally.

They did it with Geet and as it the channel was closing down and it was much easier!! With IPK we have everyone fighting tooth and nail to save it and also SP's involvement makes things awkward for the 4 rats.



4lions are the most unprofessional PH that I have come across. I. sincerely hope SP is able.to do something and the PH gets boycotted by all
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Posted: 12 years ago
#40

Originally posted by: redfox



So many chances and they let all of them go to drain.
If I am not mistaken they asked for ideas and feedback from their previous show fans aswell but never used them amd when questioned about the same they said they will use it in the new shows. From where I see, history is repeating itself


may be bec of the short term planning.. they might have targeted this show for an year or so like Geet and probably planned something else.. they lack the vision as you mentioned.. they should take each and every creation as one product and target it for 5 years.. ( it may not last 5 years still).. a long term planning can help it.. then dividing each stage plots and characters.. another disadvantage can be the actors... bec they can retain them for 1 year on the show if i am not mistaken.. may be they needed to look at the flows / weakness before planning any shows.. current or future.. and make a balance sheet of profit and loss and market the same.. right now their tactics of making money online is not right.. where as setindia makes money online.. also the telecast differences of episodes abroad etc.. too much to think of i think with PH and they are fed with the problems and fooling public 😊

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