Whose fault? Truth, lies, fans

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Posted: 13 years ago
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You say you watch this show because it is different … really? Truth, lies or plain delusion?

Original concept involved an affluent family, the Raizadas, who believe in traditions whilst the eldest son, ASR, is modern and does not believe in anything that he does not control. He is self-made and is the main source of the family's wealth. ASR's only weakness is his sister, Anjalie, and most importantly does not believe in love. Both siblings experienced the same trauma, which we now know to be the suicide of both their parents. Yet each grew up having different beliefs, Anjalie is religious and has a nice disposition thus she is considered a "nice person." ASR is tough as nails, does not believe in religion or traditions and refuses to suffer fools thus he is considered "not nice."

So what's different?

  • Nice is still the same definition: pray daily, goes to temple, smile sweetly = nice. What's different?
  • Not nice remains the opposite of nice! If you are rich, none traditional, arrogrant and question the status quo you are "not nice!" What's different?
  • Nice sister who can always shed tears or throw tempter tantrums to get her way, bad brother gives in! What's different?
In comes the Guptas. Average middle class family struggling to survive thus they are automatically considered "good people!" They have values and provided a good upbringing to the two "daughters" in the family. One of whom is adopted and to-date we are unclear of her exact relationship to this family. Despite the financial difficulties the only income earner appears to be the adopted daughter, Khushi. Khushi never thinks of herself and always puts everyone else's happiness above her own thus she is " a good person!"

So what's different?

  • Nice in this case means that if you are last in the happiness chain as an individual you = nice. What's different?
  • Average working class people automatically bring their children up with values; you need money but you stay at home, pray, go to temple, chant the name of God; treat your adopted child differently and always ensure that she knows she is not "blood" = values and good people. What's different?

Fundamentally nothing is different because these are the stereotypes and or biases of Indian soaps. In today's society YOU need to be WHOLE; YOU need to like YOU before you try to change the world. Change is not a bad word nor is being different bad. If this show wanted to be different then there are many social issues that can be introduced in a Love/Hate/Story. Most importantly the Production House could have hired new writers with the vision to write for this "change!"

The only thing different here is that there are two good looking leads with amazing chemistry and an illusion that he is like a Mills & Boon character = love hate relationship. So what is a Mills & Boon character like?

  • Typically a strong male; affluent; physically attractive with a strong female following; arrogant; confident and generally is the master of his destiny. He does not allow mother, sister, uncle, aunt, cousins etc to dictate his life. He is sexual active and not ashamed of it. He is attracted to simple, attractive, often independent women who can take care of themselves. If they are innocent in terms of sex that is an added bonus. If not, who cares! Most of these men are westerners or have grown up in a western culture. Despite their ethnicity their outlook is western simply because the authors are predominantly western.

In comes the female lead, Khushi, innocent, simple, very traditional and an attitude that she must always put everyone else's happiness before her own. So you have what you think is an unconventional man being attracted to not just a typical female but one that is clearly outside his normal circle of women. Create some day-to-day reasons for interactions and you have "attraction; hate; love" but love based on what?

Love happens when a man and woman interact one on one. In this show you have Khushi interacting with his family and having loyalty to his family, her family and she always has and always will put them before this man that she now claims to love. Love does not mean you become a doormat; it does not mean you fight to save him after you were part of the reason for his kidnapping. Lust is not love. Love is trust, honesty, respect and a healthy dose of sex/sexual attraction.

Every now and then the creatives of this show claim to have a "different show" yet not once did they hire a writer who has experience with Mills & Boon type romances nor have these characters ever really developed as such. In fact you have the lead actors claiming that they are not comfortable with intimate scenes! What rubbish! An actor acts and needs to do what the story requires. A love story requires intimacy. So our lead actors can set parameters on love scenes but not on nonsense scripts?

So what exactly is IPKKND about? Are the creatives and the actors up to this challenge?Most importantly is the audience up to the challenge?

Khushi: She is acting according to her character and the typical "good girl" image. She will never put Arnav first because in Indian Soap and culture when you get married you must put your in laws needs first, then your husband, then your children or children in the family and if there is time then you can think of your needs. So do not delude yourself that she can love him unconditionally. So where's the great love story?

Arnav: A confused character because the creatives do not have the experience to develop this character in accordance with their vision. The original ASR did have some shades of a Mills & Boon character but that was just a brief interlude. If he does not believe in traditions then what the heck is he doing? So he is neither Eastern nor Western. No wonder we are having difficulty in relating to him now. As the original ASR he would not allow a criminal to go free nor would he allow his sister to dictate his life. He would use his resources to investigate and provide evidence to ensure that the criminal is brought to justice. If his sister does not want to eat or take meds then you put her in a clinic and have them sedate her and intravenously feed her.

As Arnav he may love Khushi, respect her values but will not allow her to dominate him and would ensure that she gives him unconditional love and loyalty. So who is this man today? If he cannot figure out his priorities then how can he be the great lover? So where's the great love story?

The great love stories are in the FF! The great love stories are in the VMs!

This post will not be popular. I doubt that anyone would bother to comment because it makes you look into yourself and realize that most of us never did understand why we got caught up in the show. It was never different and today it has no focus except to pamper to the wishes of certain actors as evidenced by yet another weak storyline with secondary actors playing leading roles. So again were are the lead actors and why do they not also demand good scripts?

I too got caught up in the Barun/Sanaya hype. I never favoured one over the other because I do not know them, nor wish too, outside of their characters. In my opinion Barun has showed that he is the stronger actor of the two with a greater range and may go further in this field. Sanaya is too much like Khushi from what we have seen and heard but that does not take away from her as an actor. Both are impressive. Both are wasted on this show. But I do love ARHI and will continue to watch the show as what you may know as a "time pass" and what I know as "killing time!" Hey I may also learn some Hindi!

So we may "belly ache" and shake our fists etc but this show was never about making a difference, it failed to take a stand on any social issues, disrespected both men and women and never delivered on any of its promises. So as I make my last new post, I say to all my respected members be honest with yourselves and accept the fact that nothing we say or write will make the least difference to 4 Lions or this show. Taking a stand on women's rights or social injustice will only be effective if the Indian culture itself changes and women bring their children up without gender bias. The rest of the world is still trying to get this right but change does need to start where charity does and it is in the home!

Best wishes to my many friends and young ones who reached out to me for help. Be strong and fight the fight where it counts. Jai hind!

Maya

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Maya dear, excellent post as usual and wonderful analysis. I agree 100% with your opinions as they are very similar to mine when it comes to this show. It started off being a progressive show with a different kind of story line, now it's turned into the typical saas-bahu drama (Dadi/Anhali/Khushi). I too watch this show to "kill time" (love the fact that you used that expression) 😆and yea I'm learning a few hindi words along the way.
I agree that ASR is a confused character and I think the CVs need to go back to their original storyboard and try not to deviate from the essential elements that make this character the one we fell in love with.
I also agree that both SI and BS's talents are wasted in this show, but it is this show that has given them the global recognition & they can now use it as a stepping stone for bigger and better things😉
P.S. Don't leave. We need sensible, mature opinions on here.
Edited by westindian - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Maya Di..

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"accept the fact that nothing we say or write will make the least difference to 4 Lions or this show. Taking a stand on women's rights or social injustice will only be effective if the Indian culture itself changes and women bring their children up without gender bias. The rest of the world is still trying to get this right but change does need to start where charity does and it is in the home!"

I couldn't have said this any better...Di! I have already accepted the fact the nothing we say or write will make the least difference to 4 Lions. So I have stopped making any requests to the production house like many other millions of fans.

But there is one thing u r wrong about. This post wasn't ignored ..and I applaud you for your thoughts and shedding some light to many dejected fans such as yourself. But it is a shame to make this your last post after such a masterpiece.

The only thing left for fans like me are my VM's. I have the power to control the love story in my VM's and for crying out loud I try my very best..to preserve my sanity..whatever is left off it..of course😳

Best Wishes Maya Di!😳


Edited by shybabe - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Beautifully written Maya. I understand how you feel; many of us do. Thank you for post, you said it all dear.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Maya I am always proud of you but I stand very tall today because of what you just wrote, Bravo, very well stated, I have addressed so much of what you wrote today in different post but I must say you outlined and stated it the best, I say the best because you touched on everyone and gave reasons for your opinion.
You defined what the word "Different" means, you outlined what "Nice, Good" really means, you defined each IPKKND Character, what the perception is of each to what they really represent, Bravo.I for one stand with you, yes this is a Show / Fiction, it is stated by some members when an intelligent post like this is posted most times to Quote "Take a chill Pill, its entertainment, bashing" those are the common terminology but when you introduce social issues in a Show / Fiction, you have a responsibility to the audience to send a message as well, yes you do, I stand very strong and firm with this. Nice as is portrayed by Anjali tells me that I would rather be strong, firm, standing firm in my beliefs, not swaying, arrogant in my demeanor, like ASR than be as weak, willing to accept, betraying, disloyal, blackmailing, uncaring and be likened to Angali.

It would be a sense of real loss if you made this your last post, you may not get the number os responses you should have for the brilliance that each post you write deserves, you may even have your Topic closed but never let your voice be silenced, if you are able to make a difference to just one person, you did good. The majority on this IPKKND could make a difference, Lalit Mohan quit, Arshad quit, Deepali quit, the script writers are quitting this serial, when is the PH going to stand up and ask why, the audience are leaving, throwing an Arnav and Khushi rabba ve now and again is not cutting it, the new leads are disgusting, the story is all over the map, your post is the only level of intelligence that should reach Gul and her team maybe just maybe they would hold themselves accountable and deliver what they promised. Thanks to Barun and Sanaya for their hard work inspite of the scripts handed to them but in saying that they also have a responsibility to the profession they choose to be in, they must also know that as actors intimacy comes with the job requirement, we the audience know you are actors so why the fuss and must about being uncomfortable in doing a script that requires it, it determines the strength and where the character builds and leads to, remember you are selling us the audience this make believe character, we can only buy it if you deliver it in its entirety to say how uncomfortable you are to the viewing audience takes away from it, we know you all are married and committed as well, but when you are on the sets of IPKKND, you are not Barun and Sanaya, you are Arnav and Khushi.

Maya you have my vote and I am hoping that a response is befitting to your post, great points, great accountability is needed by all who reads this.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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nicely put post..

it was a bit different from the start .. the scripts the direction the camera works.. even the ensemble.. all were so different from the usual shows.. And the leads.. their characterizations...

but yeah its become a time pass .. for me its not even a good time pass.. I am watching it only after reading the WU if some parts interests me.. watching it giving me pains these dayz..

And just my personal stuffs a bit..

Things are a bit changing specially in middle cls family in my Country BD.. where gender bias is reducing day by day.. now parents r giving eql favour to their daughters along with boyz.. atleast what im seeing with my friends and family.. so somewhere there is still some hope left ..
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Posted: 13 years ago
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A beautiful post Maya. True to the core and very brilliantly analyzed and written.

It's so sad that the real love story actually exists in FF's. OS and Vms. We are happy with them and not the "real" story presented on-screen. The virtual world of IPK seems much more real and believable.

An actor acts and needs to do what the story requires. A love story requires intimacy. So our lead actors can set parameters on love scenes but not on nonsense scripts?

I could never really understand why they would do that to their own show which gave them so much.

change does need to start where charity does and it is in the home! - And this is the absolute truth! Thanks for making this post. And please let this not be your last. 😊
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Maya,
I so agree with you on all counts.
I am so greatly influenced by the excellent writers on this forum contributing to FFs and VMs.
"The great love stories are in the FF! The great love stories are in the VMs!"
Without them, probably the IPKKND will not be the same. Somehow they are influencing the reader in me. The next morning, I want to see one of the FF's enacted by Arnav/Khushi.
To all those who are contributing to the FF's and VMs: Hats off to you, and you guys are amazing.
👏👏👏👏
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Dear Maya Di...

I agree with all you wrote.

Your analysis and the way you express yourself is so superior to anything I could write...but I'm right there with you...

I've even given up watching...I read reviews and analysis...

Loved what you said about love and lust...In fact I was just ranting about that ...

I found the series through the beautiful VMs...I thought the series was being reflected through them...little did I know that the best of IPKKND IS the VMs and the FF...as you said THAT is where the true love story finds free expression...

Will greatly miss your insights...

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Shalu, VMs like yours are keeping me going because as I said before and will keep saying, Barun and Sanaya have on screen chemistry that only comes along once in a while. Be that Hollywood or Bollywood.

I do not like to make new posts because I am always worried that I will offend on a social and cultural basis. That is never my intention but lately I have gotten numerous PMs from teenagers that are looking to talk to someone to about life and they feel that they cannot do so with their parents. I am not able to understand this because culturally it is a foreign concept to me since I place their parents in the same age bracket or younger than I am.

I am also concern that I cannot always help them except to say try talking to your parents or school counselors because I may give them advise that is culturally inappropriate. Hence my decision to pull back on new posts but I do intend to reach out to Star Plus on social responsibility and my contact there is also the CEO.

As a foreigner I may not have much impact to make changes that are cultural but I can shame Star Plus on airing shows where their writers and creatives are putting out inaccurate or irresponsible story lines. For example a 7 months old baby is on longer a fetus it is a considered a baby that can actually live a full life with some special medical assistance. The death of the baby requires a funeral; the marriage contract does not meet any legal definition of a marriage etc etc.

This show opened my eyes to why the battered women I used to work with had some of the issues they did because not only did their husband fail them so did their parents and other women in their lives.

I have some time on my hands now and a cause! I will use the right forum to demonstrate that the pen is mightier than the sword!
Cheers
Di



Originally posted by: shybabe

Maya Di..


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"accept the fact that nothing we say or write will make the least difference to 4 Lions or this show. Taking a stand on women's rights or social injustice will only be effective if the Indian culture itself changes and women bring their children up without gender bias. The rest of the world is still trying to get this right but change does need to start where charity does and it is in the home!"

I couldn't have said this any better...Di! I have already accepted the fact the nothing we say or write will make the least difference to 4 Lions. So I have stopped making any requests to the production house like many other millions of fans.

But there is one thing u r wrong about. This post wasn't ignored ..and I applaud you for your thoughts and shedding some light to many dejected fans such as yourself. But it is a shame to make this your last post after such a masterpiece.

The only thing left for fans like me are my VM's. I have the power to control the love story in my VM's and for crying out loud I try my very best..to preserve my sanity..whatever is left off it..of course😳

Best Wishes Maya Di!😳


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