Crooner 74 : To kill a Mocking-bird - Note to GH - Page 4

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Neemsundari thumbnail
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Well, just as GH makes his living as a writer, I do too. The one thing I've learned is to grow a thick skin-- critics would criticize you; that is their role. They keep you objective about your work when you're mired in subjectivity. I, for one, have learned a lot of craft from my crit group.

Just as there is a method to give constructive criticism, (point out the positives, give specific suggestions for improvement, never get personal), there are rules for accepting criticism (which I teach my students in fiction writing workshops):

1. Note down the stuff being said. Go back to it a week later, when you've cooled down, and evaluate if any of the suggestions are worth incorporating.

2. Do not let emotional anger dictate a hasty response.

3. No matter what the criticism, (unduly harsh, personal etc.) your response will be "Thank you for your time and effort." You DO NOT respond to your critics/ defend yourself in terms of spoken words, let your writing speak for you instead. You're a writer, not a talker.

I don't see any justification for GH to talk about the show on a public forum-- he is a writer, not a spokesperson, right?

I get his frustration, but in his profession, if he can't handle the criticism, he's in the wrong job. Yes, they work hard, make a movie a week--- but so do all the other production houses who put up shows.

The reason GH and co are held to high standards is because they set those standards themselves in the first place. As I said to him yesterday in a message somewhere on IF--- doing well in a project is like riding a lion. If you fall, the lion will eat you.


Edited by Neemsundari - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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di🤗...super nice crooner! ❤️
epi was ok with me..loved it becoz of mami khushi bonding..i have always been waiting 4 thier scenes together,nd nice scenes..nd yesterday i think i got that, slowly but surely mamai will trust khushi nd may be this trust of mami will help khushi in future,when whole truth of snaky will come out to whole family,,m sure mami will not let khushi down..!!!
eagerly waiting for future!!!

precap..epic,mami eestyle 😆
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Posted: 13 years ago
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👏👏 To kill a Mocking bird-or not, Ellesworth Toohey, Oh my god...Nice touch. How do u think these things up. I think, this very unique touch is whats make Crooner so fascinating to read. It certainly gets the massage across very well.😃
I agree with u 100%, this is just and unfortunate situation that GH has to come out and speak his side. When I clearly have yet to hear a creative coming out to voice his side. Trust me they've never been forced to either.
Absoultely not trying to strike and argument here, but seriously, why didnt all these clearifications happen when Barun Sobti was indespensible to the show and still the TRP's were falling. The track was lousy in Gupta house, or the swami act and lots more after the MU. Everyone was complaining while TRP's were all time low.
(k pls hold ur patients as i m goin to rant a bit and go back 3 weeks. For all those who are not wanting to hear the rant, then now's the time to stop reading)
One thing that stood out to me the most was the child quote , *when a child asks something, answer him for god sakes, dont make a productions of it. Children are children, but they can spot and evasion faster than adults. An evasion simply muddles 'em'*Again ofcourse from the fav mocking bird.
Sounds like a very promising quote. Now the question is, isnt that what everyone's been doing?
Explaning to the MASS. Starting with Misty, Abhaas on FB, Latin Mohan on Twitter, Gul on IF, Zee News, Nureen Khan with Barun himself, Mature writter on the IF (urself and many other), Pashmeen (barun's wife as quoted by a member on IF who met her in Delhi kitty party), Madmidas response to the IF members, Barun's Interview by Madmidas.
All of the Above with one common bottom line *Barun is Coming back* We're talking about 10 genuine sources here of the top of my head *with Barun himself* YET YET,...do we seem to c anyone fully keeping their faith and believing in them??? NO Cuz we all seem to have this irritating habit of OVER analysing a situation and also reading in btwn the lines rather than FOCUSING on the actual POINT of the statement.
Sounds grim doesnt it,...well, this was just an example of Barun's Situation,...same has been happening with Storyline, Tracks, episodes, TRP complains, IPL ranting, MU clearing, Shyam track i could keep goin on n on...
I have 3 kids of my own,...and i always try to hold my patiece with them. Explain myself as best as i can knowing fully well that they are not all the same and have different thinking. At the end of the day, if i still keep hearing nothing but complains about EVERY LITTLE thing, bickerrngs, fights, whining, who did what, why m i favoring one over the other...n likes, i'll eventually put my foot down too. In (Four Lion's and CV) their case,...Absences complain, track complains, trp complains, insecurity complains, questioning their every single move, n god know what else have we been sending msgs about, day in, day out, day or night)
As a viewer(child as i would like to put it) we all want Explainations from the Team,...the question is R we ready to HEAR it without overanalysing??? and with full faith in the team (parents as i'd like to put from Mocking bird statement)
No, we want to analyse the motives, scrutinise the answers, question their patience and eventually shutting the valued door to reaching them.
Again pls dont get me wrong,...this absolutely doesnt mean we cant questions, complain or analize,...BUT THERE IS A WAY TO DO SO...as i always ask my kids, we need to think b4 we speak. (in this case: type) Parents for the kids are always indespensible, but there is a way to talk to them n put forward ur concerns and have a sensible conversation. Constant complaining and whining isnt going to get the the child anywhere except for being knowing as someone who cries WOLF.
This team has made themselves indispensible, and we also have the means and technology to be heard,... why are we crying wolf all the time ???? why are we givnig them the chance to put their foot down??? why are we forcefully shutting the doors to the communications???
(stricktly directed to the minorty who are causing this problem and the majority has to suffer? Every single person here is considered a sensible adult, so pls lets act like one)
Constructive critisism has been considered, edited, the tracks closed, character brought back and lots more, so lets all stop ranting and focus on Contrustive critism like our fellow mature critics on the forum. All of us are here cuz we've grown to love the show, IPKKND...if they can work as a team, so can we...
This is solely my opnion, and if i offended anyone, then my opology to U. But pls do consider this as a humble request as this is not a small matter,...if not dealt with now,...it can cause major issue later on, and we all have a long way to go with out FAV. Show IPKKND.
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Priya,
Love the way u stated the matter so humbly for both side, very sincere and i just hope it does get across..
Crooner are a blessin to read n the way u write, reading gets addictive. Crooner has become a part of my daily life, and Priya a name we constantly use in our family. As the conversations sometime starts... *As priya would say...* So thnq for taking time in ur busy schedule to light our path.
Thoroghly enjoying the Barunless couple of weeks as the story is movie,...and dfntly looking fwd to next week...
Found ur take on pearl very intriguing, and looking fwd to Taj mahal analysis and ofcourse the AR36K
Didnt meant to take over the comments sections, pls dont feel offended.
Toddles,
Avni
Edited by highonshows - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
#34
Fantastic crooner Priya...pls take a bow..you have outdone yourself today 👏 👏 👏

Your note to GH is bang on...let them lose sleep over their story and not over the reaction from the audience.

News about Barun made my day...that hotwa has absolutely no idea what he does to millions worldwide. I am glad he will be seen from next week. 🥳🥳 🥳. Ab bas Khushi aur Arnav mil jaaye and let their love story take off 😍😍. I hope they are sent to an outdoor location for their honeymoon. I dont mind if the entire cast accompanies them...cant bear that all other shows send their leads to exotic locations. The serials I have been really attached to have had no such luck 😒..dont want the same to happen here as well.

The episode was OK...not bad considering we had some really high voltage drama earlier this week.

- Maami helping Khushi was very sweet. She has taken her role as a detective rather seriously ..with that black attire 😆 😆.

- The pea sized brain of Aakash came up with such a bakwaas idea to apologize to his wife ...aur payalji maan bhi gayi 😆😆


Edited by --Nishita-- - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
#35
Lovely post!
You presented both sides of the story very well. 👏
At the end of the day, I feel the drop in TRPs has more to do with little progress in story, than any other thing. The decline has been happening, even before Barun's absence. So yeah.
We all know things are dragged in telly land. But from the general audience POV, " you need to make one step ahead. No matter if you later come 4 steps back" ( I'm talking in relation to story telling, and relationship development 😊 )

That's all from my side. Nothing great, but just felt like telling so.

As for the episodes, I'm glad there's pace, and we can hope for some light at the end of the tunnel. I wish the team of IPK all the very best!

For me, it provides my daily dose of entertainment, I love SaRun, and I admit, I'm hopelessly addicted to IPK! 😃
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Posted: 13 years ago
#36
Priya..crooner aayi re aayi...😆

HUGS TO ALL MY CROONER BUDDIES...🤗

This will be back..very very soon😆


hugs babe...making parathas for breakfast want some?😆

GH...and his message...poor guy is probably wondering why the hell did he even write...😆 boori tarah se phase gaya hai...bechaara...but he better move it...with the track yaar...he has no time to lose...warna...TRP's tanking drastically..

But coming to the show..i am really happy to see that Mami is finally helping..Khushi..👏...agar koi madam car sakta hai toh woh hai...Mamiji..HELLO HI BYE BYE!

There is one thing...mami loves Arnav a lot so she would do anything for him...she is not doing this for Khushi...but for Arnav...

And u r talking about political discussions 🤣 poor ka poor Sonia gandhi jaise baashan de diya..yaar...

But always love you for ur crooner...and those hints and messages u keep shooting at us😉

I have already said it in my post ...waht i want to say...

Just keep off the negativity...and let the man finish his job peacefully..


and appreciate Sanaya for what she is doing...and now i feel that the side characters are also getting some attention that was needed...

This show is going to be back with a bang...😳


Edited by shybabe - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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wow priya you are back in action...i really miss our old forum days...and may be GH misses his good old happy days lol..lovely crooner all the points highlighted are essential to anyone and everyone related to IPK...
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Hey priya thats a nice post:)

I basically do not understand the argument about show suffering or TRP declining due to Barun.
The show started dropping in TRP's and even reached to a TRP of 2.9 while Barun was full time present in the show, it was basically the OTT comedy which ruined the TRP charts for this show, OTT comedy, MU dragging is what was done on the past 2 to 3 months. Barun signing the movie dint happen in the spur of the moment , it would atleast been decided 2 months back what were the CVs doing then?? They could have easily banked barun episodes for his absence. And this isnt something that no other PH has done, Ragini Khanna, Ram Kapoor, Ronit Roy, Gurmeet everyone have worked in movies along with their show , i hv watched SGP at a time where Ragini was working in a movie, the PH were able to show her daily on screen, they had banked her scenes. When other tele actor's can have the chance of exploring and growing in career why does it become a reason to cry for and blame him in Barun's matter??

The PH clearly wasted their time past 2 months showing OTT comedy, used him for nonsense scripts public bath, body building, falling on dung and all ridiculous scripts and dint even give a thought about banking his scenes, the mismanagement from the PH is clearly shown here.

The side character's were totally ignored past 2 months, where was Shyam hiding these 2 months, Anjali was hardly shown and i still do not get what is the use of Akash and Payal in this show??
Babuji is stuck to his wheel chair past so many months will he ever get up from that?
Where is Anjali's baby bump, atleast make a pregnant women look believable.
The audience do not expect total logical based shows, but they do expect shows to be near to reality, the VISA scenes and all have been so crap..

But im really glad that the PH do in a way own up to their mistake's. How many PH even try to reach out to their audience or work on damage control??
They are taking their steps to work on damage control and i appreciate that.

No point in playing the blame game, im expecting the show to get back on track from June 1st week and completely on track frm June 6th which is show's anniversary.

Im really glad to know Barun is juggling between show and movie, that speaks for his commitment towards this show , I rather wanto appreciate him for this commitment and hard work.
Great to know he would be back full time from June.

Hoping for the track's to get better And more so hoping for the show to do good in TRP's charts by June. If they are on the path of damage control then i wud wish them luck and move on than crib and cry about what has happened.

TRP auidence are the one's who make shows like Pavitra rishta, sathiya, DABH stay on top.
No wonder the OTT comedy couldnt attract the viewers.

Now it wud take time for the show to gain the lost position back, up's and down's are normal nothing to fret about, a decent steady story line should do wonder's in a while.

And m hoping against hope atleast with this first anniversary of the show the leads will be united, its been freaking 1 year the show started and sometimes my patience does run out.

p.s sorry for the long rant😳 was totally pissed with the negativity in the forum.
Edited by -sylph- - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Thank you for the sanity!

I haven't posted in this thread but I am about to unburden with a rant.

I have no clue why this forum is so self absorbed to think that other than being a sounding board for ideas that have already been planned out or are currently being shown that we are on the Board of Trustees of 4 Lions. What kind of desperate PH comes to IF to see what the tracks are that they should be doing for the next 6 months when they haven't even planned out next week? Not one that wants to keep rising in the TRPs.

I am thoroughly disgusted with the way GH's message has been twisted and warped to be used by different groups in this forum to bolster their claims of influence or mocked rudely which so very well confirms the stereotype he already has of the online members here. It's all bullshit. I take his little note at face value - it is a mea culpa - when they should have been concentrating on the base of their story, they were busy building 101 ways and toing toing comedy. I was happy to see that he recognized and owned the fact that they goofed. Stop criticizing the CVs - well, don't give me anything to criticize then. The show has never had strong production value - the sets, the costumes, the editing have been slipshod since the get go BUT we were head over heels for this show regardless because of the story, script and acting. So when you lose the glue that holds it together - a story that moves, the cracks get larger and noticeable. And we have a right to call it out. We have a right to say, you didn't listen to your sounding board. We do not have the right to say, you are changing MY story in MY vision that I set out amongst MY minions - how dare you change MY creations so that I look like I do not know what I was talking about when I made myself out to be ALL KNOWING. Self absorbed.

But now that they, the CVs, are trying to fix it, when they are basically caught with their pants down not only in low TRPs but a lead going off to do a movie, for Sanaya going off to do NB and for Daljeet wanting to leave, he is basically asking for a little breathing room, but they are still paying us importance as a sounding board - the end of swami, the end of the 9 year old saut, we all were for this. But what do we do, a good number of "critics" say that they have destroyed the story because it is not in their vision (as if this is their product - kudos for your definition of the critic). A good number of "critics" rant and rave about the decline of the past - continuously. And a good number also blame Barun, as if he is the first male lead in the history of soaps to ever go for a movie, as if the PH does not have its own PR department, as if the PH does not have a management department, as if this PH was not privy to his plans and worked out a schedule with his film PH, as if Barun runs 4 Lions and will not only script and run the show, but also schedule the onset of monsoon season. For real. Can we get perspective. 4 Lions has been horrible at time management and now they are trying to fix all their problems that are coinciding with the 1st anniversary. Can we let them do that? Thanks for the space to vent.

And now to the story - I am too happy with the way the last 3 weeks are going because I did not have preconceived notions about crawling majnu tracks or twisted redemptions of attempted murderers. And maybe that is why I am ecstatic with the ILU, I am happy with the current separation and I am eagerly awaiting Khushi's kidnap because it will lead to a REUNION when for the first time in this serial KHUSHI KNOWS THAT ASR LOVES HER AND SHE HIM. These characters are intact and the tone of this LOVE STORY has returned. I mean I cannot contain the excitement for that reunion moment.

I am missing Barun on screen a lot. But as long as the pace keeps going I am for it. We have made it through half his time away - and since you have listed some non predictions 😆, not long now!

(sorry - I have written a tome but I needed to let off some steam)
Edited by momma1128 - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Goods the jobs Priya👏...I love your crooners and wait for it...😃

The no predictions😉 are amazing and can't wait for it...Nothing like a full fledged romance with high voltage drama..

Looks like we are finally going to get the love story we were promised😳


PS..I copied the link to your crooner on the SG thread...I hope thats ok with you...I didnt copy the content 😃
Edited by radss - 13 years ago

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