Denial is not a river in Egypt! - Page 5

We were having a good discussion going on in this regard yesterday.

Below are a few excerpts from your post which caught my eye and I need to remark on them for the brilliancy with which you have put your point across.

I expect a man to have a certain intrinsic value system which defines who he is, going for him and garner a special respect from all. for the way he treats women ( let me also add children, pets, those less fortunate and senior citizens) even the ones he does not like and that is where his elan and breeding comes to the fore. Right now I find Arnav's characterization absolutely distasteful and disgraceful, he definitely does not have a single clue on how to behave classily and I am sorry but claiming to have been jilted is no excuse- what separates the men from the boys is the standard of behavior.

Couldn't have put it better. His behavior is crude, crass and far from a gentleman with a good breeding. When he stretched and looked outside to see if his 'wife' is still there, I was forcibly reminded of the time I sneaked in a kitten without my parent's consult and hid it over night in our balcony. With that mental image, my libido just died on the spot and Arnav's biceps failed to impress me further (Im not saying anything against them- Barun is after all one beautiful specimen)

The sheer injustice and the abominable one sidedness of the situation actually brought tears to my eyes and I chided myself yet again for actually caring about this show to get emotionally attached to this extent.

I blame myself really. Why am I such a dolt as to think I can expect a coherent story-line from an indian soap? I was comparing the likes of heroes in my favorite books to Arnav and I suppose the very fact that he is poles apart from how a gentleman would act made me l rethink on my sensibilities as to WHY I am bothering about this? I suppose it's the disappointment that yet another aspect of something that I like had disappointed me.

I need to get a hobby.

When I see that sleeping arrangement what goes through my mind is that he still is a bloody disdainful class conscious snob and thinks she can rough it up because that is the kind of lower middle class background she comes from anyways. I doubt he would have the guts or gumption to pull this off on someone of say Lavanya's ilk.

This point had never hit me before but now that you have mentioned it, you are absolutely right. If Lavanya was caught being hugged by Shyam, and lets for the argument's sake say he (arnav) was in love with her, he neither would have forced married her or made her sleep outside. So yes Kushi's inability to defend herself, her helplessness at fending for herself and her class difference is playing a huge role here.

Arnav is a gigantic snob. Nothing seem to changed that fact not even infront of his love (errr Love?)

Folks might call him hard hearted I call him dclass and his manners crude and crass for no matter how hot your looks your body your style, your business acumen and success but when you really don't know how to conduct yourself properly with grace under pressure and compassion especially with a woman you claim to be in love '

Gul Khan might call him a dark character. I will call him an inhumane character.

As for the looks department (I can't believe Im saying this) I have since sometime have observed in myself that Im fast loosing my appeal for his good looks! Now you can see the amounts to which my dislike has spread!

Originally posted by: adeeti10

So so true!! BTW, are there any women writers on the show? Or is it just men? 😊

Originally posted by: FairyLiquidSoap

Let me make it clear that this post is not against Barun the actor but about ASR the character he plays I admire Barun and have indicated it in many posts so please let us not get confused between the 2 Once more I really like and admire Barun the actor and this post is NOT about him

lol was following this for a while..

and you thought people who commented here did not know that?

they all look like they very well know who it is about.. and thats why most of them were so polite.. and commented only on ASR..

but the way the post was written makes it look like it is more of a dig at the Admirers of barun than at the double faced character of ASR..

i always thought you made sensible posts, but the reason i couldn't agree is that you do make it bad for reasonable asr/barun droolers.. or make it sound like drooling on barun is a crime... i wish i could agree with you..

I agree with the basic premise of this post and you articulate this whole issue of the misogyny, douchebaggery and class-consciousness that is so rampant in our TV screens very well. And you nailed it when you speak about how redemption is always around the corner if it is a male lead.

The fact is that Khushi is in a classic situation of an abusive relationship -- which is unfortunate because in IPKKND-time, just a few weeks back she was in the cusp of an interesting relationship with a man completely different from her, yet as an equal. And then BAM! Abusive relationships exists -- both in TV and outside of it. I am unsure if it is always linked to class as you suggest. There is enough evidence that loads of educated and liberated women put up with shit. Yeah, Happy Women's Day, folks!

And while I agree with most of what you say, but here is the thing, the tone of your post is so judgemental that it troubles me as much as Arnav making Khushi sleep on the cold, hard floor.

Oh, and I am 20. Hormone status: always troubling.

Originally posted by: laddoo598

I agree Sree..While I think ASR's horrendous acts are not justifiable in any way shape or form, I still have no qualms with drooling over Barun, admiring him, going all gaga over his swagger, wagera wagera..And I see no wrong in people dedicating posts to Barun/ASR's good looks, his mannerisms, etc. To each his own, I for once respect all the member's viewpoints, whether I agree or not is a completely different story, but mutual respect is a must..

I drooled over his Nike shirt and UCLA pants yesterday..Does that mean I condone his behaviour? Hell no! Drooling over Barun is not equal to seeing no wrong in whatever ASR does..😆

Kisses to the posts on this thread ! You have no idea how suffocated I felt when I went through all the threads admiring his fake love , his perfect arse and what not ~😡

All I can say is - he is making a arse of himself right now! I agree when people say his character has shades of grey ! But is trust me out of the zipcode of colours.

I mean this same guy , would pull out a chair for her but is making her sleep outside very well aware of her phobia of darkness! This brother sister parasitic love is beyond my comprehension - To supposedly save his sister's life , he is ruining her and by ways and means , that are not acceptable in today's society. One word of this to the police and he would forget he has Raizada as his surname.

Before I have people inundating me with hate messages , I have to clarify the problem is with character sketch of ASR and Barun. He is essentially doing what he does best - Do what is expected of him 👏

I love Anthony Hopkins as Hannibal Lechter. Loved the way he spoke, drooled on that character's charisma and total mental prowess. Even enjoyed the last delicious scene as he went to see his psychiatrist. Does not mean in any way shape or form I am happily ignoring the monster that is his character.

Originally posted by: adeeti10

Damn!! She is the producer I gather? I can't believe a woman would be excited about this! I was excited too but the scene where he asked her to sleep outside was akin to a pale of ice-cold water being splashed on my face (like he did today)... 😭

yes she is one of the producer.. She talks of passion in this track🥱 i hv never been put off by any article as much as her's..

Originally posted by: Rag1ni

I agree with the basic premise of this post and you articulate this whole issue of the misogyny, douchebaggery and class-consciousness that is so rampant in our TV screens very well. And you nailed it when you speak about how redemption is always around the corner if it is a male lead.

The fact is that Khushi is in a classic situation of an abusive relationship -- which is unfortunate because in IPKKND-time, just a few weeks back she was in the cusp of an interesting relationship with a man completely different from her, yet as an equal. And then BAM! Abusive relationships exists -- both in TV and outside of it. I am unsure if it is always linked to class as you suggest. There is enough evidence that loads of educated and liberated women put up with shit. Yeah, Happy Women's Day, folks!

And while I agree with most of what you say, but here is the thing, the tone of your post is so judgemental that it troubles me as much as Arnav making Khushi sleep on the cold, hard floor.

Oh, and I am 20. Hormone status: always troubling.

Abuse is not class selective. Its malevolence is ever present bypassing class. The difference possibly, its hidden much better in certain quarters

Originally posted by: Rag1ni

I agree with the basic premise of this post and you articulate this whole issue of the misogyny, douchebaggery and class-consciousness that is so rampant in our TV screens very well. And you nailed it when you speak about how redemption is always around the corner if it is a male lead.

The fact is that Khushi is in a classic situation of an abusive relationship -- which is unfortunate because in IPKKND-time, just a few weeks back she was in the cusp of an interesting relationship with a man completely different from her, yet as an equal. And then BAM! Abusive relationships exists -- both in TV and outside of it. I am unsure if it is always linked to class as you suggest. There is enough evidence that loads of educated and liberated women put up with shit. Yeah, Happy Women's Day, folks!

And while I agree with most of what you say, but here is the thing, the tone of your post is so judgemental that it troubles me as much as Arnav making Khushi sleep on the cold, hard floor.

Oh, and I am 20. Hormone status: always troubling.