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Posted: 13 years ago
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I couldnt agree with you more, i loved how khushi bumped into the door as she walked back into the house, it was almost like she was being knocked back into her new reality, and she looked devestated from the aftermath of it all👏 only to come to face her sister, payal who wanted so desperately to understand why khushi got married, i as a sister i felt her pain and desperation, sisters have a unspoken bond that grows with knowing and sharing over the years and i saw all that when payal was asking her no in fact begging her to explain herself, but what i cant fathom is why she said that you dont see me as your sister, just cause khushi failed to explain herself, sister have a bond that usually never breaks and it shouldnt now as well, but then we only ever can say things like that to our sisters, knowing that a sister will always have your back no matter what... so i agree payal will come around, but it was another blow that khushi didnt really need at that moment in time, i would rather have had payal just sit with her, sometimes words are not necessary and i think that was one of those moments. oh well just sayin...

I really thought the direction was amazing in this episode, like you mentioned everyone is reeling from this huge shock, and it was great how everyone was shown, in their own corner tying to come to terms with their new reality. I'm sure once the dust settles everyone will accept it for what it is. human nature is very resilient its our only defence mechanism that allows us to pick up and hope that all will get better... kinda seperates us from the animals, thats how i know shyam is human even after today's huge warning he's not giving up nope this guy is gonna go down in flames nothing less.😆 I actually thought shyam did a way better job then arnav today (yes go ahead and disagree no worries ) but i felt shyam's intial hatred towards arnav his inner beast was showing loud and clear, Infact when arnav said i'm giving you another chance Shyam's facial features spoke loudly that he doesnt want another chance, and the look shyam gave arnav when arnav was back in the car, made be think that windshield is about to crack 😆 yeah the is no love lost between these two, I'm looking forward to what shyam's next moves will be i'm sure they will be as creepy as he is... got to love to hate this guy, for he evokes exactly the feeling the director wants us to feel for his character..hats off the the guy playing his character, villian are always so much harder to portray i think..

looks like anjali is about to be dropped on arnav's totem pole of importance i'm looking forward to that scene tomorrow...its bout bloody time...always thought that sibling codependence has been going on far to long, time to cut the umbilical cord anajali jeee

happy trails you alll
Edited by landr4 - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
#12

Originally posted by: Elysia

Brilliant point.
[I really need to ask you for your name, so that we can address each other as other than Elysia and misclog in the forum. I'm Ana.] 😳
I am currently working on an analysis on Anjali's character. Working on it as in pondering. I haven't gotten to the writing phase yet. But I do agree that she is capable of handling shock such as these without breaking down in pieces. For a woman with a disability and paranoid tendencies, traumatic past and dependent demeanor in relation to her husband and brother, she has endured a lot and managed to make a life for herself.
However, I also believe that there's the chance of her shattering if the foundation of her happiness dissolves. If Shyam betrays her, it will break her. I don't believe that she will end up in some psych ward, but the betrayal might damage her irrevocably - she might move forward because she has to, but she won't forget and the issues that she has with seeing bad signs everywhere, being paranoid and afraid of losing Arnav - might become worse.
I think that Anjali has invoked an overprotective instinct in Arnav since his teen years and it has convinced him that his sister needs to be sheltered rather than confronted. I think - more than the question whether Anjali can handle the truth or not - it's Arnav's own weakness keeping him from telling her the truth. The fear of losing her. The fear of watching her break. Perhaps even the fear of her choosing Shyam over him.
You see, there's something very possessive about the way Arnav hugs Anjali and vice versa. This possesiveness became clearest to me in the scene when he put his arms around her while glaring at Shyam. His eyes did more than warn Shyam to stay away - his eyes said "she's mine and you don't get to hurt what's mine".
He reclaimed her, though he had never even let her go. He had never, really, allowed Shyam to have her and Anjali had never let go of Arnav either.
Anjali is just as complex as Arnav - if not more, in certain ways. She seems strong, and she can be. But in some areas of her life, she has become so emotionally attached and dependent on certain people that their betrayal would break her. Shyam and Arnav are the two people with the absolute power of ruining her for life. I really believe that.
She wouldn't die. But she wouldn't live either. What's worse?
In the end, I do believe that Arnav should tell her the truth as soon as her condition is stabilized. No amount of love and affection in the world should be a reason for keeping the truth from someone. There's no point in betraying them - and though I understand the reasoning behind Arnav's choices, I also disagree with them. In his place, I would tell her the truth and let her decide if she wanted to give Shyam a second chance.
But Arnav's love for her, his protectiveness and personal fears, are blinding him. He is making a mistake by continuing to keep it a secret (if that's what he does). I only hope that when the truth is out, it won't put a permanent dent in their relationship and that he will come to understand that you can't make choices for other people's lives - no matter how much you love them.
This is another beautiful part of his character - the constant growth. The flaws. And the moments in which he realizes his errors and attempts to redeem himself.

Hi Ana,
I did update my profile with my name and wanted to change my username. But I need to have 200 posts before I can do that. Sudha here. I guess I will need to spam the forum to get to 200.
All what you said of Anjali might be true. Obviously you and I look at things differently, because this world is full of probablities and possibilities so no ones thinking is restricted to the same line of thought. That is beauty of it.
For me the fear is not Anjali breaking and getting damaged irrevocably if the truth is out now. I think she will become that when the truth comes out later on and the entire truth. (it will come out eventually as we all know).
What will hurt her more is that her precious brother in her name has ruined a sweet girls life based on what he saw and thought and hid such a truth from her. How will she handle, her husbnads truth but more importantly her brothers truth the he knew, didn't tell and also in her name blackmailed an innocent young girl. Which of the two will be more devastating to her you think. Telling her the truth now or later when the entire truth comes out - from a story pespective.
Edited by misclog2003 - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: misclog2003

Hi Ana,

I did update my profile with my name and wanted to change my username. But I need to have 200 posts before I can do that. Sudha here. I guess I will need to spam the forum to get to 200.
All what you said of Anjali might be true. Obviously you and I look at things differently, because this world is full of probablities and possibilities so no ones thinking is restricted to the same line of thought. That is beauty of it.
For me the fear is not Anjali breaking and getting damaged irrevocably if the truth is out now. I think she will become that when the truth comes out later on and the entire truth. (it will come out eventually as we all know).
What will hurt her more is that her precious brother in her name has ruined a sweet girls life based on what he saw and thought and hid such a truth from her. How will she handle, her husbnads truth but more importantly her brothers truth the he knew, didn't tell and also in her name blackmailed an innocent young girl. Which of the two will be more devastating to her you think. Telling her the truth now or later when the entire truth comes out - from a story pespective.

Hi Sudha 😃 It feels good to be able to adress you by your name. Feels more friendly and less formal. Despite our dissimilar views, I enjoy reading your posts very much.
I agree that by procrastinating the inevitable, Arnav is only going to hurt Anjali more. That I fully and hundred percent agree with. She will see it as betrayal from his side as well as so far they have shared everything - and then he kept this enormously life altering secret from her that wasn't his to keep in the first place. Like Khushi, he has robbed Anjali of her right to know the truth and choose for herself rather than have someone else choose for her.
I also do agree that Arnav's blackmail is going to have (in fact, it already has had) severe consequences for Khushi's future. No doubt about it. I'm not going to excuse his actions - they can't be justified. No matter how upset you are, you have no right to force someone else into marrying you. You have no right to use dirty means to reach your end.
My problem is only that I don't see Khushi as entirely innocent. Like Arnav, I see her as a flawed persona. I still believe that if she'd come clean when she found out about Shyam - she wouldn't be in the current situation in the first place. Forget Arnav and what he did. It was wrong. Indeed, it was. But it takes two to tango. Khushi's part/mistake in all this has been that she kept Shyam's secret - each and every time. Had she come clean, told one of the Raizada family members, then she would've washed her hands of the whole issue.
Thus as much as I understand Khushi, even sympathize with what her family did to her - it's still an evident fact to me that she half brought this upon herself. Half. The other half was Arnav's choices. But now I moved away from the point again. It happens every time my mind starts going. I'm sorry. Embarrassing.
Returning to my point. I'm sure that Anjali will be extremely upset with Arnav for what he did to Khushi - no doubt about it. But I don't think that it'll be the one and only thing that breaks her. The greatest betrayal for her will still be that the love of her life is a liar and a treacherous snake. That her brother hid this truth from her. Then added what choices he made in the wake of it all (which includes blackmailing Khushi).
In the end, she will be hurt. Maybe she will surprise and prove stronger than we thought.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Amazing post.
loved ur analysis every bit, yes ASR is yet to hit the rock bottom...that is saved for another day when he gets to know the truth !
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: landr4

... so i agree payal will come around, but it was another blow that khushi didnt really need at that moment in time, i would rather have had payal just sit with her, sometimes words are not necessary and i think that was one of those moments. oh well just sayin...

I really thought the direction was amazing in this episode.
I actually thought shyam did a way better job then arnav today (yes go ahead and disagree no worries ) but i felt shyam's intial hatred towards arnav his inner beast was showing loud and clear, Infact when arnav said i'm giving you another chance Shyam's facial features spoke loudly that he doesnt want another chance, and the look shyam gave arnav when arnav was back in the car, made be think that windshield is about to crack 😆 yeah the is no love lost between these two, I'm looking forward to what shyam's next moves will be i'm sure they will be as creepy as he is... got to love to hate this guy, for he evokes exactly the feeling the director wants us to feel for his character..hats off the the guy playing his character, villian are always so much harder to portray i think..

looks like anjali is about to be dropped on arnav's totem pole of importance i'm looking forward to that scene tomorrow...its bout bloody time...always thought that sibling codependence has been going on far to long, time to cut the umbilical cord anajali jeee

Purple: I agree. It would've been nice to see Payal simply be there for Khushi rather than hit her verbally like everyone else. But I suppose that, under the circumstances, it made a bit sense. I mean, it was Payal's wedding night. Khushi had been disappearing all night - she even seemed absentminded, etc. Maybe Payal felt like she was beating her head on (or against - can't remember which) a wall. Putting myself in Payal's shoes, I think I might have been just as frustrated and upset if my sister got married, secretly, on my wedding night and then wouldn't even tell me why. Especially if we were close.
But I do understand your point with the silent understanding thing. It would've been nice to see her support Khushi rather than beat her down further. She didn't need it.
Orange: The direction is fabulous. The only issue I have is when the editors cut between emotional scenes instead of playing the scene out and then cut to another scene. Like, in yesterday's episode when Arnav slammed the door shut and faced the camera with tears in his eyes. It was like a three second scene, but they cut it up for some weird reason - it kinda messed up the scene. You're like so into his crying and then it's like CUT and next thing Anjali is walking away and then it's like CUT again and back to his crying for like one second before CUT, end of scene 😆
Teal: Hell yes. Abhaas was fabulous. His expressions, the hatred and anger, it killed me. He was more than a creep in that scene. He was a dangerous creep. I do agree that he nailed the expressions better than Barun. I think it has a lot to do with how he used all his facial muscles - though subtle. I dunno. Then again, both of them have their own unique style in acting. But yeah, the malice surely shone through.
Gosh, yes. I can't WAIT for the Shyam-Arnav scenes now. They're so tense and frigging awesome to watch. Wonder what Shyam is gonna do next. Right now, he probably will need to process the marriage between Khushi and Arnav first 😆 Especially the second upcoming marriage 😆
Blue: But I don't want the cord to be cut - ever 😆 I love whatever Freudian complexes that they both share. What would I analyze without them? Meri life ka entire purpose hi khatam ho jayega na 😛😆
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Need not to say, lovely post. Wont stretch it like yesterday.😆😆

For 2 scenes were hit for me today.

1. As much as Arnav says he wont give her the right of being his wife, but subconsciously he do give it to her and she definately take it without his permission. The way she shut the door, 1st part but most amazing one was when she grabbed his shoulder, and refused to let him go. Can u believe KKG doing this even in her wildest anger, nope never she would have never dared to and ASR would have never allowed but today he and she both know that she is KHUSHI ARNAV SINGH RAIZADA. It was her right which he surrendered to too.

2. As I told you how much I love this love stroy, but two men fighting for and marking their territory really is my most enjoyable parts in any show. Wow brilliant performance by both. Amazing, abhas today rocked with his acting, expressions. He showed how hurt he is, in pain, and confused. But this time the score goes to ASR.
Both are one one, letz c what is up now from our Twitcher. He wont be silent trust me. I sure he must be thinking Khushi ji ne isliye shaadi ki hai taki wo hamare saath rah saken...🤣🤣. This man trust me needs spank on his A** or BPL may be best idea.

Precap:
ASR in his obviously rude attitude. i dont know but I feel this track may be much later is going into a bit emotional separation between both Arnav and Anjali...I think so
Edited by Anjudreamz - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Elysia..I give it to u gal...apt analysis without overdoing it.Loved it.U have pretty much summoned up what has occurred.I am not happy with this second chance giving by both Arnav and Khushi to that slime ball...but then its mistakes that makes man near perfect.They will both repent this one decision of theirs pretty soon...Loved how she rose from the ashes...typical Khushi.ASR is confused..but then its when u are in a confused state that u commit unintentional mistakes...hoping and praying that he wont commit anything which has no redemption ..other than that this is one track that will guide the story forward and I'm all eager to see what happens in future.😊
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Posted: 13 years ago
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His face dis softened when he she told him that she has became an orphan as they both know how it feels and it stuck a chord in him. But I think he felt angry when she questioned him why because he thinks that she and shyam are lovers. He feels she should know why he is doing this and she has the guts to ask me why. there was definitively anger when she asked him why.

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Posted: 13 years ago
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😡kuchh bhi ho lekin bechari khushi se sab swal kartein hai koi uske dard ko jaanne ki koshish nahi karta. Shyaam ka sawal hai ki khushi usse kyun shaadi nahi karna chahti?
Asr ka swaal hai ki khushi ne uske saath dhokha kyun kiya?
Paayal kaheti hai ki khushi use bahen kyun nahi maanti?
Buaji garima kahetein hai ki khushi aise keise kar shakti hai?
Nani aur Anjali kahetein hai ki khushi tum samjhdaar ho phir bhi tumne aisi galti kyun ki?
Mama mami kahtein hai ki Kya tumhare sanskar aise hai?
Akash poochh raha hai ki tumne hamaari khushio mein bhang kyun daala?
sare sawaal sirf khushi ke liye hi kyun hai?😡
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Posted: 13 years ago
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good post! I personally liked the part where you discussed Payal's POV. A lot many have analysed Arnav, Kushi's turmoil.
Payal's POV is a new view...

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