How the mighty have fallen...

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Please refrain from discussing the episode from a negative angle - that is, bashing and such. You're free to share your thoughts it in this thread, but keep it on Healthy Debate Mode, not I Hate Mode 😉
Gosh, tonight's episode cleared a few things for me and raised new questions 😆 Here's my brief summary/thoughts on it.
Loved how Khushi walked back inside like a robot, stunned/shocked, and rammed into the door. That small detail was just brilliant. It made me feel horrible because it conveyed how incredibly numb she was in that moment. The onslaughter from the Guptas and Raizadas - Buaji's final words that seemed to have severed the bond with a swift slash. Khushi's pain, then her numbness, and then her pain again was so evident and beautifully conveyed by a voiceless Sanaya. Hands down.
The onslaught had been a typical reaction - yell first, ask questions later. No, actually, it was more like "yell the questions". Regardless, that phase is over where they circled her. Moving on to the scene between Khushi and Payal - it was heartbreaking. Payal's desperation, her need to know and understand Khushi, shone through. It occurred to me that Payal felt as if Khushi had shut her out of her life somehow - as if Khushi didn't trust her. I can understand why Payal felt that Khushi didn't see her as her sister, really. Though, she is wrong about it. But I think that the recent events have sort of piled up inside Payal. All the concern, all the timeless worry and tension that Payal has felt ever since they came to Delhi and Khushi started working for the Raizadas - I think it had all piled up inside of her and she felt as if she couldn't reach into Khushi and understand what was going on with her. As if Khushi was purposely shutting her out.
From this perspective, it's understandable that the emotional turmoil inside Payal became too much. She couldn't get Khushi to talk. She believed that they were closer than that, so as a defense against the grief, she pushed herself away from Khushi. She'll come around.
Now, as for Akash, at least he supported Payal with his presence tonight. Warna I would have bought a baseball bat and beat him up.
Loved how they showed that each member of the family was struggling with his/her own personal inner turmoil in each their own corner. The confusion, anger, frustration, sorrow, and utter pain was evident in the air and on their faces. I think that they all needed to be alone and let the reality of the situation sink in, consider it in their own way, process it.
Ah, I knew that the sherni would awaken in Khushi and that she'd confront Arnav with her fists as much as her words. The scene in his/their bedroom was awesome, devastatingly so. I love how Khushi shut the door. I love how Arnav didn't even glance up at her, lost in his own world. I love how she walked to him, defeated yet hopeful. I love how she fell in a heap by his feet and, keeping her eyes down, shared her agony, her pain with him. And I love how Arnav turned his head to watch her, the expression on his face softening, his eyes revealing just how much he hated himself for causing those tears.
He listened to her. He sat there, silently, and listened to her. He could've walked away. He didn't. He's not the ASR that pushed her out of a window. He understands her, more than she probably knows. And he couldn't face her pain. It obviously hurt him too. How the mighty have fallen... but he's yet to hit rockbottom, I think.
I love how Khushi demanded an answer. How she pushed him, pulled him, yelled, asked, accused, and so much more - all in one go. When she was done, the emotional exhaustion took over and I won't be surprised if she surrenders this time.
Something that occurred to me after watching their scene is that Arnav is confused about her. He doesn't know who she is. On one hand, she cries and shares the pain of losing her family with him - and the sincerity of it kills him. On the other hand, he remembers the hug between her and Shyam, sees her upset spirit (wonders if it has to do with her losing Shyam as well as her family), and it angers him. An anger that he turns into ice because it makes him feel vulnerable. He doesn't answer her - perhaps a part of him doesn't believe that she is involved with Shyam and he's afraid of the answer to his own unspoken question as that would make his pain over what he's done to her ten billion times worse.
Or maybe he's simply confused. What is her real face? The one that she shows him or... is it something else entirely?
The scene between Arnav and Shyam - mindblowing. Tension, tension, tension. It became a bit more obvious why Arnav married Khushi after their second conversation. Like he told Shyam, he's giving him a second chance. Keep Anjali happy, or else. Pretty damn simple. Khushi is taken, so Shyam shouldn't be tempted. That is, if he has redeeming qualities. So really, is Arnav testing him? Maybe that's why he made the six month time limit. Should be enough time to gauge whether or not Shyam is worthy of his second chance - and if not, well, hellohi and a big bye bye.
So maybe Arnav did think this deal through. Maybe he does have a solid plan. I dunno. I'm confused. But I like it. Keeps me on my toes 😆 Can't wait to see what happens next.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Hi Elysia ,
Your posts are growing on me ..😛 Your write incredibly well ... I loved how you have described arnav's thoughts about kushi's behavior ..its just a matter of time he realizes that she was not involved with his BIL...

Become a fan of your posts after reading 'Understanding ASR' post ..
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: prathikri

Hi Elysia ,
Your posts are growing on me ..😛 Your write incredibly well ... I loved how you have described arnav's thoughts about kushi's behavior ..its just a matter of time he realizes that she was not involved with his BIL...

Become a fan of your posts after reading 'Understanding ASR' post ..

Thanks a lot, hun 😳 There were so many small moments in the scene between them that showed me that he hasn't deemed her guilty yet. He's only confused about her.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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What asr didn't know yet is how bad that snake is ! he can go any length to get a girl he wants...he must be suspecting that asr and kkg will not be having any psychical relationship yet if that is matter to him..😲 but knowing shyam's lust it will not stop him😲
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: kitty25

What asr didn't know yet is how bad that snake is ! he can go any length to get a girl he wants...he must be suspecting that asr and kkg will not be having any psychical relationship yet if that is matter to him..😲 but knowing shyam's lust it will not stop him😲

Good point. This is why I think that Arnav bought time. He's going to keep an eye on Shyam and get to know him from his own observations. Either Shyam will pass the test (duh, we all know that he won't), or he'll fail and unleash Arnav's wrath upon himself.
I wouldn't mind seeing Arnav hang Shyam upside down from a tree and beat him senseless.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Elysia,
Wonderful post as usual. Not sure if you read my rants yesterday, but today, the ASR and Kushi characterizations were back with a bang where they went missing for few episodes.
I just have one small thought. In precap he is threatning Anjali he will leave home. That kind of an ultimatum to his precious DI is bound to shock her senseless. He shocked Anjali with his marriage and shocked her further by his refusal to answer why. And now leave house Shock.
She is being given shock after shock by ASR himself. And she is still standing. That's all I will say. 😊
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Loved your post! I think the beauty of IPKKND lies in the small details, which are brought out so beautifully by the actors, especially Barun and Sanaya. Sanaya brought out Khushi's helplessness, her emotion, her anger so well. And Barun's changing expressions as Arnav listens to Khushi - utterly fabulous.

I'm more and more convinced that this track is going to be awesome and that it's going to have fantastic payoffs!
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Hey!! Wasn't that just an awesome episode today? 😉 I agreed with all your points, including that bit about Payal. Her approach was a little different and it was the inability to get an answer out of Khushi that left her frustrated. Although I think she could have done better...I am going to cut her some slack today and wait to see how she does.
Poor Aakash! 😆
ooh Khushi is back with a bang! And you are right - Arnav is confused about Khushi. I think this is also the reason why he hasn't confronted her about Shyam. He is scared...! He hurts to see her in pain and it rips him apart, knowing he's the cause for it. Makes me think that although his brain has decided he's married Khushi for his sis, his heart knows that he did it for himself. Twisted...isn't it? 😆
Loved how he was drive out of his house, his bedroom by his wife and on his wedding night, no less! 😆😆😆😆😆😆
ASR-Shyam face off was awesome! I don't think Arnav expects Shyam to change...but for his sister, he's given him a chance. I loved the hardneing of Arnav's jaw when Shyam said Khushi wouldn't have married him if he hadn't forced her. But he wasn't taking the bait! I was on the edge of my seat during that scene...!!
ASR has thought this through. 6 months for Shyam to redeem himself. 6 months to figure out Khushi.
Damn!
This guy is brilliant.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: misclog2003

She is being given shock after shock by ASR himself. And she is still standing. That's all I will say. 😊

Brilliant point.
[I really need to ask you for your name, so that we can address each other as other than Elysia and misclog in the forum. I'm Ana.] 😳
I am currently working on an analysis on Anjali's character. Working on it as in pondering. I haven't gotten to the writing phase yet. But I do agree that she is capable of handling shock such as these without breaking down in pieces. For a woman with a disability and paranoid tendencies, traumatic past and dependent demeanor in relation to her husband and brother, she has endured a lot and managed to make a life for herself.
However, I also believe that there's the chance of her shattering if the foundation of her happiness dissolves. If Shyam betrays her, it will break her. I don't believe that she will end up in some psych ward, but the betrayal might damage her irrevocably - she might move forward because she has to, but she won't forget and the issues that she has with seeing bad signs everywhere, being paranoid and afraid of losing Arnav - might become worse.
I think that Anjali has invoked an overprotective instinct in Arnav since his teen years and it has convinced him that his sister needs to be sheltered rather than confronted. I think - more than the question whether Anjali can handle the truth or not - it's Arnav's own weakness keeping him from telling her the truth. The fear of losing her. The fear of watching her break. Perhaps even the fear of her choosing Shyam over him.
You see, there's something very possessive about the way Arnav hugs Anjali and vice versa. This possesiveness became clearest to me in the scene when he put his arms around her while glaring at Shyam. His eyes did more than warn Shyam to stay away - his eyes said "she's mine and you don't get to hurt what's mine".
He reclaimed her, though he had never even let her go. He had never, really, allowed Shyam to have her and Anjali had never let go of Arnav either.
Anjali is just as complex as Arnav - if not more, in certain ways. She seems strong, and she can be. But in some areas of her life, she has become so emotionally attached and dependent on certain people that their betrayal would break her. Shyam and Arnav are the two people with the absolute power of ruining her for life. I really believe that.
She wouldn't die. But she wouldn't live either. What's worse?
In the end, I do believe that Arnav should tell her the truth as soon as her condition is stabilized. No amount of love and affection in the world should be a reason for keeping the truth from someone. There's no point in betraying them - and though I understand the reasoning behind Arnav's choices, I also disagree with them. In his place, I would tell her the truth and let her decide if she wanted to give Shyam a second chance.
But Arnav's love for her, his protectiveness and personal fears, are blinding him. He is making a mistake by continuing to keep it a secret (if that's what he does). I only hope that when the truth is out, it won't put a permanent dent in their relationship and that he will come to understand that you can't make choices for other people's lives - no matter how much you love them.
This is another beautiful part of his character - the constant growth. The flaws. And the moments in which he realizes his errors and attempts to redeem himself.
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Originally posted by: true-blue

Hey!! Wasn't that just an awesome episode today? 😉 I agreed with all your points, including that bit about Payal. Her approach was a little different and it was the inability to get an answer out of Khushi that left her frustrated. Although I think she could have done better...I am going to cut her some slack today and wait to see how she does.

Poor Aakash! 😆
ooh Khushi is back with a bang! And you are right - Arnav is confused about Khushi. I think this is also the reason why he hasn't confronted her about Shyam. He is scared...! He hurts to see her in pain and it rips him apart, knowing he's the cause for it. Makes me think that although his brain has decided he's married Khushi for his sis, his heart knows that he did it for himself. Twisted...isn't it? 😆
Loved how he was drive out of his house, his bedroom by his wife and on his wedding night, no less! 😆😆😆😆😆😆
ASR-Shyam face off was awesome! I don't think Arnav expects Shyam to change...but for his sister, he's given him a chance. I loved the hardneing of Arnav's jaw when Shyam said Khushi wouldn't have married him if he hadn't forced her. But he wasn't taking the bait! I was on the edge of my seat during that scene...!!
ASR has thought this through. 6 months for Shyam to redeem himself. 6 months to figure out Khushi.
Damn!
This guy is brilliant.

Yaar, the episode was mindblowing. I was biting my lip throughout the whole episode 😆
Did you notice that Arnav couldn't deal with Khushi's pain? He couldn't face her until she called him "Mr. Arnav Singh Raizada". That's when his expression hardened. That's when he turned to her. He couldn't deal with her vulnerability, but when she said his name like she does when she's mad - he could finally face her. He could face her anger, not her tears. LOL 😆
What a twisted guy. What if she'd called him "Arnavji" instead? 😆 He probably would've scooped her up in a bone-crushing hug and admitted his darkest fears 😆 Or not.
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