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Posted: 13 years ago
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I think it is less a question about what writers can write i.e. freedom of speech. You can have and exercise freedom of speech in say, your novel, your personal blog. But say if you have a FB or Twitter account as I do, you can't write what you want there if it is deemed offensive or explicit in anyway by the Moderators or the webmaster of the site in question.

For example any mention of comparing President Obama to Hitler is banned and rightly so. And FB and Twitter and such social networking sites will remove such writing. The reason they do this is that, they as information sharing sites have rules and regulations that must be followed. If anyone doesn't follow those rules, their account with these social networking sites is just deleted. And they are blacklisted from rejoining these sites.

I think if it is a public information site or a forum like this one i.e. IF, then there are rules. It really doesn't matter what the rules are, they have to be followed and must be enforced. I write on this forum but I follow the rules. If I want to write explicit material, it would never be on a forum where the material can be accessed by a child or a preteen or even a teenager. It is not enough to simply say that your writing is 18+. That only induces kids to read it. That's like a big banner that says "Read me!"

Writers who believe that parents need to control what their kids see on a forum, should know that parents would not expect their kids to be going to a public forum where they will be exposed to graphic material which is harmful to a young mind, which may be eager to read this stuff. Kids will happily read explicit material, but may not realize how to evaluate what they are reading both emotionally and psychologically. With the power of writing comes responsibility.

As a writer on this forum, I make sure my writing is free of this explicit material. Fact is, if you are on a public forum and you have an online ID and password then there are rules that must be adhered to. One cannot possibly expect to write material that is not welcome or acceptable by the Moderators. Simply adding a disclaimer of 18+ is not enough, when the rules clearly state that explicit material is not accepted by the Moderators and simply has no place in IF, which is open to all to read. Rules, even if you don't like the rules will end up protecting someone somewhere and that individual might be your younger sister, brother or child.

Would you have your child read your explicit material?

Also I might add, and I can't emphasize this enough that as a writer it is your responsibility to follow the rules even if you disagree with them. If you don't like the rules, don't violate them. Remember you get to write here for free. Get a personal blog or go to a website where posting this explicit material will not break the rules.

I do wish to strongly applaud the Moderators on the Fan Fiction side of the forum. They are doing something that is deemed unpopular and sometimes in life you have do the right thing, even if the majority disagrees with it. As a writer on this forum, I consider it my privilege to be permitted to write on IF. And I want to publicly thank them for their vision, courage and integrity in enforcing the rules and regulations that have been set up to protect the younger minds who wish to read creative stories without laying their eyes on material that has no place on IF.

Every site has rules against profanity and explicit material, and it should surprise no one that this forum has such rules as well. In the end it is less about your creativity and more about principles that have been regularly explained by the Moderators. This issue is not new and should not be greeted with surprise or any kind of objection, simply because of the frequency of how many times it has been stressed that explicit material is disallowed by the Moderators who are only doing their jobs of protecting younger viewers.

This a forum, if authors wish to still write their stories, that in all honesty really don't belong on IF they should exercise their freedom of speech elsewhere where no children will be harmed and they will have full freedom to write whatever they want or consider to be creative writing. A personal blog is one such place. But a public forum like IF is not.

The safety of children comes first. Do you have a young one in your family? Wouldn't you protect them? Every freedom and right comes with a responsibility and it is incumbent upon you as to how you use that right or freedom. In the end you must ask yourself are you responsible in your writing when it come to following rules that are meant to protect children?

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goguma thumbnail
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Posted: 13 years ago
#2
curiosity kills the cat!

and because of these 'kittens', good writers are staying away..

now i wonder if this forum caters for all ages or what,
since i don't see any childrens' drama arnd here...


arnav loves to say "damn it!"
won't that too influence the children who are watching this show?
idk..just saying...


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Posted: 13 years ago
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After reading one of your FFs, which so clearly and vividly depicts brutal acts of violence, making it "explicit material" I do wonder if you realize that content such as that can also be considered just as unsuitable for children as sexually explicit content is. After all, violence is NOT something parents would like their children to come across either right?

As you said.


Kids will happily read explicit material, but may not realize how to evaluate what they are reading both emotionally and psychologically. With the power of writing comes responsibility.


Heaven forbid some young children reading FFs with violent content begin to grab hammers and bash in car windows, thinking it might be cool to do it, when they're angry.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: goguma

curiosity kills the cat!

and because of these 'kittens', good writers are staying away..

now i wonder if this forum caters for all ages or what,
since i don't see any childrens' drama arnd here...


arnav loves to say "damn it!"
won't that too influence the children who are watching this show?
idk..just saying...




It doesn't matter how good writers they are in your opinion. What matters is the rules. This is a public forum. Which is why You don't make the rules IF makes the rules. If a character on the show says words that may be deemed offensive it has nothing to do with the rules of IF. I was talking about ff writers who break the rules not the characters on the show. The writers are breaking the rules (those who do, not all of them) and that is a violation. Simple as that.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: HeadOverHeels

After reading one of your FFs, which so clearly and vividly depicts brutal acts of violence, making it "explicit material" I do wonder if you realize that content such as that can also be considered just as unsuitable for children as sexually explicit content is. After all, violence is NOT something parents would like their children to come across either right?


As you said.


Kids will happily read explicit material, but may not realize how to evaluate what they are reading both emotionally and psychologically. With the power of writing comes responsibility.


Heaven forbid some young children reading FFs with violent content begin to grab hammers and bash in car windows, thinking it might be cool to do it, when they're angry.




If the moderators ban explicit material, they should also ban violent material. Violence is equally detrimental to young children. As a parent I will not tolerate my kids reading both. I will also take responsibility to see what they read and what sites they visit. I do not understand the moderators sometimes, when they can close all the FF's explicit content per IF rules, which I am totally ok with, they should also close FF's that promote anger and violence.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: HeadOverHeels

After reading one of your FFs, which so clearly and vividly depicts brutal acts of violence, making it "explicit material" I do wonder if you realize that content such as that can also be considered just as unsuitable for children as sexually explicit content is. After all, violence is NOT something parents would like their children to come across either right?


As you said.


Kids will happily read explicit material, but may not realize how to evaluate what they are reading both emotionally and psychologically. With the power of writing comes responsibility.


Heaven forbid some young children reading FFs with violent content begin to grab hammers and bash in car windows, thinking it might be cool to do it, when they're angry.



First of all, thanks for taking the time to read my writing. I'm flattered.

It is not graphic or explicit in terms of breaking the rules. If I were breaking the rules, I would have heard from the Moderators by now. And if I am in violation of the rules, I expect them to inform me, so far they have not deemed my work as being offensive, or harmful to children and in violation of their rules.

Bashing a single car window to help a woman escape injury, is hardly akin to the writing which is being banned by the Moderators. And I would call that writing "the get a room genre". And I am being polite here.

If the moderators deem my writing to be violent they would have told me by now. They haven't.

They have a problem with the people you are defending, the ones who specialize in the "get a room genre".

Speaking of the brutality that you mentioned, what about stories that depict Khushi's character getting r*ped in several ffs. Is that not in violation of the rules? I recently started to read a ff where the characters of Khushi and Arnav were depicted in the story from the film, "Pretty Woman", everyone knows what the character of Julia Roberts was and what the character of Richard Gere was in that movie.

Suffice it to say that after reading the first few lines, I was too disgusted to read further. I have seen the movie so I didn't to read anymore.

Not to mention the fact that it was blatantly plagiarized from the movie which depicted graphic content as did the ff.

Would you like to address the plagiarism issue as well?
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: Keshriya




If the moderators ban explicit material, they should also ban violent material. Violence is equally detrimental to young children. As a parent I will not tolerate my kids reading both. I will also take responsibility to see what they read and what sites they visit. I do not understand the moderators sometimes, when they can close all the FF's explicit content per IF rules, which I am totally ok with, they should also close FF's that promote anger and violence.



If the moderators deem my writing against the rules, which has been on the ff forum for months now, they would have told me by now. The story in question is about female empowerment not female satisfaction if you get my drift.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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You know there is nothing about Moderators here to defend them!!!!
You tube does post explicit content but it has way of controlling its veiw...as for parents who don't wnat their kids to go through read/write/watch contents which they feel the kids can't ahndle have tp police their activities...IF is not the only place where they can get spoilt and if writers when writing have to keep in mind that there are nine year olds then what about mature peole who are part of the forum and discuss the heavy thing which have screen presence!!!
You question of will the writers let your young ones read explicit material reminds me of would Sharukh let his son watch Kal ho na Ho and justify it and such questions!!!!
And as for follwing the rules...Again i feel explicit ocntent is contectual in India propably even hug and kiss on the road is big no no and PDA by couples in bus is frowned upon!!! While probably is some contires...people go about kissing in bus etc (like they showed in Hum dil de chuke Sanam)
And IF is read and loved by all over the wolrd so why not rewrite the rules in sensible way!!!!
And if 18+ is an invitation for young ones to read...isn't it theri lack of self control how can the writers be blamed...
I am sure even facebook and orkut and other things have scuh age restriction but there many kids out there who just give a fake date of birth and become memebers...so then how are the writers the rule breakers and such memembers the rule followers!!!!
Rules are rules...is lame excuse the world is changing...some channels have now become so bold they even show extramarital affiars and domestic voilence...so if explicit content is to avoided should written udpate of such episodes not written and should we ban discussing such episodes so that the child mind does not get spoilt beacuse of all that was telcast on the TV...
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: KaushalyaFan



It doesn't matter how good writers they are in your opinion. What matters is the rules. This is a public forum. Which is why You don't make the rules IF makes the rules. If a character on the show says words that may be deemed offensive it has nothing to do with the rules of IF. I was talking about ff writers who break the rules not the characters on the show. The writers are breaking the rules (those who do, not all of them) and that is a violation. Simple as that.




okay, chill!
u don't have to breath down my neck,.

u sound like a headmaster,
and it makes me feel like i'm breaking some school rules here... 😆


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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: KaushalyaFan



If the moderators deem my writing against the rules, which has been on the ff forum for months now, they would have told me by now. The story in question is about female empowerment not female satisfaction if you get my drift.



I am totally for female empowerment,there are several other ways to show it, not anger and violence.

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