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Posted: 13 years ago
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@zonera , kitty ... Thanks so much for your sweet words ... 😃 Happy Pongal to you too ... Happy Lohri to all North Indians too!


Originally posted by: incandescent

Hi Diya

Lovely post as always. I agree that the show is slowly getting back on track.

The cv's have made some mistakes but they can't fix it all in just one day. I think we should allow them time to see how the story unfolds and not jump to conclusions after seeing just one epi.

After all how much can they show us in just 20-22 minutes?

I think most of us at the forum have become so frustrated, that we are not even ready to give a few weeks time for some damage control.

The slap was completely unnecessary and a major blunder.

I think Barun performed brilliantly on Monday during the Rabba ve moment and later in his scene with Daljeet. That was a beautiful Arnav-Anjali moment and a teary eyed ASR touched my heart.

Sanaya was simply outstanding as mami and buaji on Friday.

But I think most of it remained unnoticed because of all the venting. Venting is fine but we are so busy criticizing nowadays that we have lost all our patience and barely noticing the good things.

But yes, the show is getting back on track and I am looking forward to what happens next.

I just don't want ASR to dance.




Hi Fari,

My policy when watching daily soaps is to enjoy what I like and ignore what I don't ... daily soap makers do work under a lot of stress, churning out 20-22 minute episodes daily for not just months but years at a stretch without any breaks means that quality will suffer, no question about it ... it's inevitable. But the last month after the La track got over went totally haywire ... I think we were all pretty frustrated and justified in venting here ... after all, that's what forums like this are for ...
My only objection is to how low and nasty the digs and bashing gets sometimes ... and the negativity was going so bad that I preferred to stay away from the forum ... and guess what? I found the show wasn't as bad as everyone here was making it out to be after all!!

The problem is when we as viewers have too many expectations of how we feel the tracks or the characters should behave ... and when things don't go the way we want, and we expect, we start bashing ... we forget that the characters are the creations of the cv's ... they have some story in mind, which may not be exactly what you and I want or expect ... but it's their story at the end of the day, they gave us the characters we love in the first place ...

And besides, let's not forget, they are ruled by compulsions other than just the story ... commercial aspects, channel pressures, what-have-you ... so if they want ASR to dance, ASR will dance ... if they want Khushi to be bumbling bimbo, she will be one ... and if they want bumbling bimbo to get the better of suave sophisticated tycoon, she will do so ... no amount of ranting on how he deserves better, or she deserves better will make a difference ... Although we definitely can express our views here, but it should be with some degree of control ... and not the vicious bashing that happened recently ...

Which is why I like Sush's, Tanthya's and a few other people's posts, and avoid the majority of the ASR-worshippers ... sorry, but they only manage to put me OFF ASR ... which I don't want to do, I like the guy, faults, complexes and all ... my favourite type of love story is broody angsty hero being redeemed by the love of a sweet simple girl ... here people don't want broody angsty hero to be redeemed, they want him to stay locked in his ivory tower because they feel he's perfect already ... well, he isn't, otherwise the story wouldn't exist!!!

Take your own wish (just as an example ... hope you don't mind😛 ) - he shouldn't dance at the sangeet, because it will ruin his character. Why shouldn't he dance?! The guy is 26, isn't he allowed to loosen up and have some fun? And wouldn't you like him to do so at some point? Why do you want to condemn him to being broody all his life? The only question is HOW the cv's make him do it, if indeed they do ... whether they make it believable or not ...
Khushi turning all juvenile and silly was not believable to me, and I hated that change ... I'm very glad she's going back to what she was at the start, but then again, that's because I like that kind of girl, not the caricature they made her into ... but if the majority of the audience, especially the TRP earners feel that way, then the cv's will keep her sensible, if not, they won't, and she'll go the Gopi vhau way 🤢 ... and I'll reach for my remote! Simple!

However, looking at the change over the last week, I feel that maybe because the cv's have done a Star One show earlier, which was always more popular online than on TRP charts, they do look at online viewers' feedback ... and the recent change is because of that. If this sustains the TRP's we may be lucky and the improvement will continue ... because at the end of the day, TRP's however lopsided they are, rule the channels, not our opinions.

Anyway, I still enjoy the show, it's one of very few I find watchable, and watch regularly ... and I love Sanaya ... so I will keep watching!

Sorry for the long vent ... and thanks for your comment! Keep them coming!!! 😃
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: lilmissmuffin

'The challenge is because he unconsciously recognises her as his equal ... recognises that she will fight back and be a worthy opponent.'

Exactly, you've summarised the need for the challenge, he subconsciously recognises her as an equal whereas before she was a nothing.
If it were him before, he would win through all means by hurting her but now he won't hurt her on purpose or accident but will not play fair, it's a private challenge after all so we can't blame him. 😃



Thanks, lilmissmuffin 😃 ... Yep, the equation between them has changed hugely since the first office challenge ... they have changed, they are both so important to the other, that their thoughts and actions are almost completely ruled by the other, and they both refuse to acknowledge why!!! That's why he feels the need to challenge her constantly, that's why he hates it when she runs away from him when she cuts his call ... she is the first person to upset the even rhythm of his autocratic life, to question him, to challenge him and not back down ... to pull him out of that limbo he was living in, and in which all his own family also allowed him to live ... she is stirring his emotions again, which have been dead for so long ...

And now he can't hurt her ... but no, he will not play fair ... and Khushi too, will try her very best and use all the means she has at her disposal ... and this time she has much more than the last time ... including most importantly, his own weakness with her ... should be interesting to see how the cv's take this!

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Posted: 13 years ago
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@xsumi, savvz, neverbefore, soapoperafan ... thank you! I do think that the awareness and intensity seems to be coming back, hope they keep it that way and don't regress again into juvenile comedy 😕

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: DiyaS





Hi Fari,

My policy when watching daily soaps is to enjoy what I like and ignore what I don't ... daily soap makers do work under a lot of stress, churning out 20-22 minute episodes daily for not just months but years at a stretch without any breaks means that quality will suffer, no question about it ... it's inevitable. But the last month after the La track got over went totally haywire ... I think we were all pretty frustrated and justified in venting here ... after all, that's what forums like this are for ...
My only objection is to how low and nasty the digs and bashing gets sometimes ... and the negativity was going so bad that I preferred to stay away from the forum ... and guess what? I found the show wasn't as bad as everyone here was making it out to be after all!!

The problem is when we as viewers have too many expectations of how we feel the tracks or the characters should behave ... and when things don't go the way we want, and we expect, we start bashing ... we forget that the characters are the creations of the cv's ... they have some story in mind, which may not be exactly what you and I want or expect ... but it's their story at the end of the day, they gave us the characters we love in the first place ...

And besides, let's not forget, they are ruled by compulsions other than just the story ... commercial aspects, channel pressures, what-have-you ... so if they want ASR to dance, ASR will dance ... if they want Khushi to be bumbling bimbo, she will be one ... and if they want bumbling bimbo to get the better of suave sophisticated tycoon, she will do so ... no amount of ranting on how he deserves better, or she deserves better will make a difference ... Although we definitely can express our views here, but it should be with some degree of control ... and not the vicious bashing that happened recently ...

Which is why I like Sush's, Tanthya's and a few other people's posts, and avoid the majority of the ASR-worshippers ... sorry, but they only manage to put me OFF ASR ... which I don't want to do, I like the guy, faults, complexes and all ... my favourite type of love story is broody angsty hero being redeemed by the love of a sweet simple girl ... here people don't want broody angsty hero to be redeemed, they want him to stay locked in his ivory tower because they feel he's perfect already ... well, he isn't, otherwise the story wouldn't exist!!!

Take your own wish (just as an example ... hope you don't mind😛 ) - he shouldn't dance at the sangeet, because it will ruin his character. Why shouldn't he dance?! The guy is 26, isn't he allowed to loosen up and have some fun? And wouldn't you like him to do so at some point? Why do you want to condemn him to being broody all his life? The only question is HOW the cv's make him do it, if indeed they do ... whether they make it believable or not ...
Khushi turning all juvenile and silly was not believable to me, and I hated that change ... I'm very glad she's going back to what she was at the start, but then again, that's because I like that kind of girl, not the caricature they made her into ... but if the majority of the audience, especially the TRP earners feel that way, then the cv's will keep her sensible, if not, they won't, and she'll go the Gopi vhau way 🤢 ... and I'll reach for my remote! Simple!

However, looking at the change over the last week, I feel that maybe because the cv's have done a Star One show earlier, which was always more popular online than on TRP charts, they do look at online viewers' feedback ... and the recent change is because of that. If this sustains the TRP's we may be lucky and the improvement will continue ... because at the end of the day, TRP's however lopsided they are, rule the channels, not our opinions.

Anyway, I still enjoy the show, it's one of very few I find watchable, and watch regularly ... and I love Sanaya ... so I will keep watching!

Sorry for the long vent ... and thanks for your comment! Keep them coming!!! 😃

I understand your POV. I feel that the show has become too inconsistent lately. Not just Khushi's character but the overall show. For instance, I found the cocktail party episode completely ridiculous. The dance was great. Sanaya and Karan performed well but the whole thing was just thrown in. Also the concept of the party made no sense.

The farak padhta track abruptly ended. But it was still going well till La's exit. After that, I feel the makers have become confused about what to show. I also feel that they are confused about what to do with NK's character.

The plots are not going as smoothly as they should and there are just too many things happening at the same time.

But Friday was much better and I hope the cv's are pulling their socks up.

ASR's character needs to evolve and it has evolved a lot but I feel it's too early for him to dance at a sangeet. He is still hung up on his past. He needs to get over those issues first before he can start acting like a normal 26 year old in front of the world. 😳

And another reason I don't want ASR to dance...well as much as I love Barun I have to say it...he's is not a good dancer. 😆


Edited by incandescent - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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hey diya 😃
I won't be able to reply in detail shorry 😳 but will just say I agree lol as for the challenge bring it on 😎 like i use to say arhi remind me of hum tum cartoons they will fight but can't stay away from each other remember the dialogue hum tum ke bigare adhore hai 😆
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Excellent recap as usual Diya. In fact I've been skimming your daily ramblings in your blog but you still manage to bring something fresh in your weekly updates.

Loved it, especially what you said here.


"Khushi is still somewhat the nave girl she was, she knows he cancelled the sangeet because of her, but innocently she thinks it's because she slapped him. And she feels terrible that because of her,😭 So she goes off to apologise and make amends. a function that the whole family is looking forward to, a function which is one of the highlights of the wedding, is being cancelled. Everyone at the Raizada house is bitterly disappointed ... including even her nemesis, Mami, who didn't even want the wedding in the first place. All because of her and her mistimed thappad.

She doesn't realise that cancelling the sangeet was Arnav's response to her challenge. Silly Khushi, didn't you figure out the moment you said the word 'competition', Arnav's antennae were on high alert? And this guy just challenged you that he wouldn't lose, remember?

Khushi doesn't remember ... or at least, she finds it easier to believe that he cancelled the sangeet because of her thappad. So she tells him - slap me, we're even and then we can go ahead with the sangeet, right?

Wrong. He won't slap her ... gone are the days when he could drop her from an open window, or even from his arms (I think so, wonder if he'll prove me wrong on that one?) ... he can't hurt her now ... not physically, at least. "


I did not understand Arnav's sudden ban of the sangeet when he was fine with the family practicing with Madhubala before. Maybe I am as naive as Khushi, the reason I simply love her with all her idiosyncracies . The explanation you gave here was splendid and makes perfect sense. As to slapping, I half expected him to come close and attempt to kiss her cheek before holding back but I must commend the guy's self control. Although he is like a moth drawn to the flame every time he sees the unselfconscious display of innocence by Khushi he by and large retains his self control.


When he was reminding her of the times she has lost to him and mentions how she returned to work for him after swearing she will never work for him again , he conveniently forgot that he had to eat humble pie and call her back after Anjali's sulking. Technically she was Anjali's employee rather than his, although he was paying her the salary. To some extent one can say that the two instances that he mentioned - working for him again and Payash matter was initiated by him partly to ease his troubled conscience. He did feel guilty after being responsible for her near death experience, the reason why he did not retort when she blasted him in his own house before thrusting her resignation letter at him. He also felt guilty for being responsible for Payal's wedding fizzling out and was only too relieved when Akaash assured him that he did indeed love Payal and wanted to spend the rest of his life with her. It gave him an opportunity to make amends.



So if anything, in both the cases it is he who should be grateful to Khushi and not the other way around but then Khushi being Khushi cannot think beyond the present. Why else would she remain silently appalled when he told her she was a loser because she stood in a torn dress when it was he who not only came before her at the stroke of the new year and thereby had already lost the bet to her, but was also responsible for the tear. She really needs to sharpen her mind if she has to handle this wily and crooked guy who can turn even his losses into his gains. Wonder how he plans to defeat her in the sangeet match but I am pretty sure if at all he wins it will not be a fair fight.


I thought he made an interesting point when he asked her what if fate is not with her and she loses. In fact right through the show fate has never helped either of them get what they want. They have been trying their level best to stay away from each other and fate has always been throwing them back into each other's company despite their avowed dislike for each other. So even if he manages to win the competition I doubt he will really be happy about it. For one he would feel terrible seeing a sad Khushi. For another, he may end up asking her to do something which will only keep her closer to him, which he keeps telling himself he does not want.


I thought there was some symbolism in his watch strap getting caught in her dress and her dress getting torn when he yanks it to get his hand free. Maybe they will be linked together by time ('samay' in hindi). When Shyam's truth comes out (in whatever form) he may yank himself free and in the process dishonour her. There was quite a lot of symbolism in the scene where he plucks the rose from her hair and gives it to her. As many pointed out, it seemed symbolic of deflowering her in future. His removing the rose and letting her hair down was symbolic of his helping her shed her inhibitions. His returning the rose to her could mean that he will love and honour her despite all his brusqueness. So maybe after dishonouring her for what he believes to be the truth, he may end up restoring her honour back once his anger dies down.

Waiting to see how they will take this from here.


Edited by Opti - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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i do like your style.enjoy reading whatever you write
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Posted: 13 years ago
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HI Diya,
Excellent recap as always. So much already said and discussed during the week yet it is fun to read the weekly review.
The week was good barring two days ( at least for me ) the machar-thapad day ..just what the heck was that ? And the maun-vrat day which many people did like but I found it be yet another Khushi's ideas that was childish ( you will say it was meant to be and was to make a point to Arnav ..) Anyway did not appreciate it much.
The current track of "The challenge.." was started by Arnav during the NYE not in the way of this sangeet competition but "you the loser and I always the winner" taunt to Khushi while walking out of GH. There is nothing more that Khushi would like to see than Mr. Aranv Singh Raizada eat his words. So here they are geting ready to wear their dancing shoes and boxing gloves. What would be a normal fun family function in a wedding as become a battleground thanks to the two.
The Kitchen scene . Arnav the predator or the business man that he is , is so good at undertsanding the weakness of his opponent. Khushi was not backing down with his "money & power" threat nor his intimidating walk towards her... yet he found a way to weaken her , doubt her resolve even for a few seconds with the "Kismat ne saath nahin diya to..?" Which made her respond "What if...?"
Ah! ASR you got her where you wanted her ...made her doubt, made her more serious in her resolve to win, made her give a promise for anything if she fails... Yes man YOU know how to win at all costs. 😛
I hope the coming days are interesting and not a duh after this build up . I will use your phrase Diya "Cautious Optimism" which is my latest mantra.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: incandescent



Thanks for your reply, Fari ... and I agree with you to a huge extent ... after the 'farak padta hai' track, I too feel the cv's lost their bearings ... maybe the track was pulled under pressure, so they were left floundering as to what to show next ... as a result we got some very half-baked episodes and the storyline went all haywire. I think maybe it's for that exact reason ... if the track was pulled unexpectedly, it would take a while for the cv's to come up with something else, but in the meantime, the show has to go on ... so the senseless month we saw ... agree that the cocktail part was badly done, and didn't seem to serve much purpose except for just entertainment - since NK is a good dancer and Sanaya also dances well, they used a party track to utilise their talent ... hey, I'm just guessing!!! 😆

As for ASR dancing ... I do agree with you that it would REALLY odd for Arnav to break into Bollywood beats or a bhangra ... that would be out of character completely ... and I feel the cv's will not do it ... Khushi has had her share of character destruction, but ASR so far is pretty untouched. But I wouldn't mind a slow waltz or close dance, maybe in private ... not as part of the competition, but as part of their own private war, even a dream sequence ... like I said, it all depends on HOW the cv's do it ...

and about Barun being a bad dancer ... well, I dunno about that one ... but Sanaya is damn good, so if there is a dance coming up, he'd better be practicing real hard!!! 😆 But I would love to see another dance with NK and Khushi ... as they are both so good, and a pleasure to watch on screen! And hopefully this time without comments on how Khushi has become a sl** for dancing with another man!!! 🤢😡

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Beautiful recap. Diya...what can i say...you have captured it so well...I don't know how you do it. .I loved Sanaya's impression of Mami and Bua...Sanaya is so talented...Even my husband watches the show for her. Hee..hee..but will not admit it. I feel he enjoys it more because he does not know about the upcoming tracks or visit the forums . He says he will stop watching when it becomes bad...but what can I do ..these forums are so addictive. But I agree with him, the day show becomes bad, I will stop watching that's all..
Sorry, I digress

Kudos to all the cast members for their comic acts. Dare I say that I enjoyed the comedy and I am not a teenager...I like the mix ...I feel they may have added the comedy after La's exit because they had to show Arnav and Khushi have some distance between them..They could not show la leaving one day and the next day A and K are pining for each other..now they are back on track. ..I think the cvs have figured out how to keep the trp audience and the on-Line audience happy. 😆
Great post..keep them coming.

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