Sushpective: Ouch! - Page 8

Originally posted by: MsUniverse

Hi Princess! I think people get emotional along with their characters...but I hope you did not feel like I was bashing Arnav with this post...I can't talk about a charcater praising them or criticizing them all the time...and I think you are the same way too...Each character deserves praises when they earn it and criticism when they do something that does not cut the mustard for me...This particular time Arnav's character got (what I think was fair) criticism...

About Khushi getting another man...this is a serial about Arhi ...so that is not possible or a focus...but in real life...I hope each person including someone in Khushi's shoes has some good choices...and when I say good choices it does not mean some one who is rich or handsome but some one who loves them and respects them too...Unfortunately Khushi's character has not been blessed with real choices...However, the strength of love/attraction can be deterimed only when one has real choices...

Hiya Sush! I m sorry if I sounded like pointing at u...It was about other threads...
And I so agree with on the praise and crictism for a character...I hated his dialog "yeh aap ki naukar hai"
My point s v r able 2 accept Kh's ideas which are more immature than of a 12 year old's with a excuse of her innocence,naive etc etc...but y not for him?!
A guy who has practiced hating throughout his life time, It s easy for him 2 handle the hate of a gal than her love...
And as for a real life, I don't think a gal will ever a face a guy who behaved like a monster in first meeting...But anything is possible in love

.Again I m sorry, If I offended U...I din't mean it!😊

Sush 🤗

Thanks for this post ... gives me a place to vent, so bear with my rambling please! 😆 My net has been dropping intermittantly, so haven't managed to read the discussions this weekend , or all the replies here ... just the last couple of pages, apologies if I'm repeating something.

I was seriously pissed off with Arnav today. Today it was all about HIMSELF ... HIS ego, HIS vulnerability, HIS emotional cowardice, HIS weakness ... and to cover his own weakness, his own vulnerability, he lashed out at a young innocent girl, a girl who was just discovering her feelings ... and he crushed them to bits. Not only because of his ego, although that played a big role on it, but also because he was scared ... scared witless of his own vulnerability, his own loss of control, his own giving way to his emotions ...
and he is ASR ... THE ASR ... the Emotionless one, whose head rules his heart always ... so of course, this cannot happen to him.
Yes, he all but admitted his feelings in negative ... yes, he felt his only defence was attack ... but the way he went about it was cowardly and selfish in the extreme ... hurting her, because HE was hurting, wanting to wipe the smile off her face because he wanted to see her as affected by their encounter as he was ... and furious that she could cover her feelings better than he could ...

So to save his own ego, and that fragile crumbling ASR mantle of his, he lashes out so cruelly at Khushi ... tell her she means less than nothing to him, and she should give up any dreams she might have of catching a man like him. Why couldn't he just be indifferent, cool, casual, get the message across without killing her spirit, her soul in the process? She wasn't asking anything from him, she didn't expect anything ... HE were the one who came on to her big time ... returning the payal, indeed ... why not just give it to her in her hand if all he wanted to do was return it? Why that soft touch, the need to put it on her foot himeself, why those yearning looks? And then when she was confused at that totally unexpected tenderness, he went further, HE advanced, he wanted to kiss her because HE got carried away by his feelings ... yes, so did she ... but he now forcefully denies those feelings ever existed, yet mock her for hers? Because HE is scared?!

He doesn't, of course ... but that's another story. And I am SO looking forward to seeing Arnav hurt every bit as much as he hurt Khushi ... that little bit of anguish in the car was just an appetiser, compared to what she went through with that roadroller Buaji of hers

I will not find excuses for ASR today, not in the way he behaved with Khushi ... he was all ASR ...and ASR is a character in need of redemptiom.
But he was Arnav in those few brief moments with her parents ... and therein lies hope ... that even at his worst ... and he was definitely at his worst today in his deliberate cruelty ... he reserves his worst only for her ...

Yes, he will suffer ... tomorrow ... when reason returns ... when he realises what he has lost. Yes, she will also realise that what he said was out of anger, because she knows well that when he gets angry, he loses his reason ... but will they get a second chance?

Because this is a show, they will ... real life is not necessarily so kind. And so today I don't want to make excuses for Arnav ... because there is no excuse for hurting others to heal yourself, regardless of how much you justify it.

Originally posted by: DiyaS

Sush 🤗

Thanks for this post ... gives me a place to vent, so bear with my rambling please! 😆 My net has been dropping intermittantly, so haven't managed to read the discussions this weekend , or all the replies here ... just the last couple of pages, apologies if I'm repeating something.

I was seriously pissed off with Arnav today. Today it was all about HIMSELF ... HIS ego, HIS vulnerability, HIS emotional cowardice, HIS weakness ... and to cover his own weakness, his own vulnerability, he lashed out at a young innocent girl, a girl who was just discovering her feelings ... and he crushed them to bits. Not only because of his ego, although that played a big role on it, but also because he was scared ... scared witless of his own vulnerability, his own loss of control, his own giving way to his emotions ...
and he is ASR ... THE ASR ... the Emotionless one, whose head rules his heart always ... so of course, this cannot happen to him.
Yes, he all but admitted his feelings in negative ... yes, he felt his only defence was attack ... but the way he went about it was cowardly and selfish in the extreme ... hurting her, because HE was hurting, wanting to wipe the smile off her face because he wanted to see her as affected by their encounter as he was ... and furious that she could cover her feelings better than he could ...

So to save his own ego, and that fragile crumbling ASR mantle of his, he lashes out so cruelly at Khushi ... tell her she means less than nothing to him, and she should give up any dreams she might have of catching a man like him. Why couldn't he just be indifferent, cool, casual, get the message across without killing her spirit, her soul in the process? She wasn't asking anything from him, she didn't expect anything ... HE were the one who came on to her big time ... returning the payal, indeed ... why not just give it to her in her hand if all he wanted to do was return it? Why that soft touch, the need to put it on her foot himeself, why those yearning looks? And then when she was confused at that totally unexpected tenderness, he went further, HE advanced, he wanted to kiss her because HE got carried away by his feelings ... yes, so did she ... but he now forcefully denies those feelings ever existed, yet mock her for hers? Because HE is scared?!

Khushi might still have held out against Buaji's taunts and emotional blackmail BUT for the memory of Arnav's words ... what he said and what he did ... poor, poor heartbroken Khushi ... realising her love and her heartbreak on the same night itself barely a heartbeat apart. And yes, she felt used, humiliated ... what had been a life-altering experience for her turned into a dirty, shameful experience by the man she realised she had fallen in love with. And the realisation that she still meant less than nothing to him, that he still looked down on her as he always had.

He doesn't, of course ... but that's another story. And I am SO looking forward to seeing Arnav hurt every bit as much as he hurt Khushi ... that little bit of anguish in the car was just an appetiser, compared to what she went through with that roadroller Buaji of hers

I will not find excuses for ASR today, not in the way he behaved with Khushi ... he was all ASR ...and ASR is a character in need of redemptiom.
But he was Arnav in those few brief moments with her parents ... and therein lies hope ... that even at his worst ... and he was definitely at his worst today in his deliberate cruelty ... he reserves his worst only for her ...

Yes, he will suffer ... tomorrow ... when reason returns ... when he realises what he has lost. Yes, she will also realise that what he said was out of anger, because she knows well that when he gets angry, he loses his reason ... but will they get a second chance?

Because this is a show, they will ... real life is not necessarily so kind. And so today I don't want to make excuses for Arnav ... because there is no excuse for hurting others to heal yourself, regardless of how much you justify it.

Originally posted by: cindrella255

Hiya Sush! I m sorry if I sounded like pointing at u...It was about other threads...
And I so agree with on the praise and crictism for a character...I hated his dialog "yeh aap ki naukar hai"
My point s v r able 2 accept Kh's ideas which are more immature than of a 12 year old's with a excuse of her innocence,naive etc etc...but y not for him?!
A guy who has practiced hating throughout his life time, It s easy for him 2 handle the hate of a gal than her love...
And as for a real life, I don't think a gal will ever a face a guy who behaved like a monster in first meeting...But anything is possible in love

.Again I m sorry, If I offended U...I din't mean it!😊

Hey Princess...Absolutely no need for any apology...😊 I love feed-back! You are right...I am a bit more lenient on Khushi and take her goofiness much better than Arnav's class conscious thinking and dialouges...The latter seems like a more fundamental aspect of a character to me than the personality which can be serious or goofy but that is more of a superficial aspect..at least thats how I look at it...As I have mentioned before and you have too...What is not sitting well with me about Khushi's character right now...is no feeling of guilt about the realization that Arnav is interested in her knowing fully well that he is committed to La...May be all this has happened so fast that she did not get to react to it...but I think CVs made a miss at this point...!

Originally posted by: MsUniverse

Hey Princess...Absolutely no need for any apology...😊 I love feed-back! You are right...I am a bit more lenient on Khushi and take her goofiness much better than Arnav's class conscious thinking and dialouges...The latter seems like a more fundamental aspect of a character to me than the personality which can be serious or goofy but that is more of a superficial aspect..at least thats how I look at it...As I have mentioned before and you have too...What is not sitting well with me about Khushi's character right now...is no feeling of guilt about the realization that Arnav is interested in her knowing fully well that he is committed to La...May be all this has happened so fast that she did not get to react to it...but I think CVs made a miss at this point...!

Yup Sush! Dat point s also nagging me...Being a gal with high traditional values, I expected guilt feeling from her, after La asking about her...I do accept Everything s fair in Love... But that thing was missing...
And for Arnav's behavior u urself gav a beautiful explanation in the reply for Renu!

Originally posted by: lwfw

sush answer you question of why shyam is needed here is the answer 😉


hmm once again action packed epi, now that i know its going to be sad epis with shyam taking 50% of screen time, i am not much in disappointment 😆

CVs do you have pshychology Phd guy with you in your team , fire him today 😉😆
i had enough 😡

ok coming back to the actual topic again 😆

Arnav is in head over heels in love with kushi but he will fight till she leaves him breathless we all know that nothing new in it 😆

Kushi used to fight but she got tired fist time after GH and now 😭😭
no wonder too , may be she would have if arnav has not announced marriage but he did not leave any changed sealed with the final blow with the worlds while returning purse 😭😭

now that these two wont do anything devi maiyya only has to do something
and that none of us like shyam i will make it easier for you 😉

if you look back actually shyam is the one who brought ARhi back together whenever they decided to go in different way.

1. first time kushi came to delhi and would have happy solving her house problem if and only shyam and not gotten herself appointment in ASR company 🤣
So arhi landed very much together and we all know what happened from challenge till GH 😉

2 after resignation from kushi Arnav was pacing in his room and gardening he again did not do anything , and kushi busy setting up jalebi shop but again shyam made naani agree for
blah live-in and his wife anajali brought kushi to RM
again we know what happened in RM till payalia moment 😉

it took so much days for Arnav to go from thinking of kissing to holding her 🤔 to kiss so he wont do anything unless pushed so its Shayms and anjali's duty to push these two together 😆

else kushi will get married to shyam and say everything is hunki dory and
arnav will marry blah and say ofcourse he is happy 😡

what do you guys think
i am done with my rant 😆


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Originally posted by: asha...

@ underlined...i disagree with you on that... yesterday the moment she started acting happy...Arnav was seething with the fact that she didnt think much of the engagement...what about him, what about what just happened with the payal..so he asked her she dismissed it time and time again...he got angry..felt like she was dismissing the moments they spent...at that time in the car he needed to know that she feels something too..so he asked her so that he could see her hurt...today is a different story all together, if you remember yesterday the last look she gave him..said it all...what she feels..the hurt..the pain...he saw and knew she felt something for him..she saw what he felt too...so today again, because he knew that she saw what he feels...he felt the need to distance himself from her... he hurt her with his venom coated words, and the prove to that is the shock that she felt from his words about the payal today, she didnt doubt the moments yesterday, but today she did

Originally posted by: MsUniverse

Sharu...I think respecting her as a person is extremely important...otherwise marriage won't work...A story where a man is attracted to a woman but has no respect for her loses its appeal to me... with or without marraige...

oh sush i do not know why keep defending characters and CVs
but i guess somehow i feel IPK has huge potential from CVs side and actors side.

here goes my theory.
i very well understand what you are saying. so lets go back to ramayana and tell me if you think
rama did a mistake by sending sita to forest 🤔
i know the example may be too out of way as of now and Arnav may not have any valid reason as of now to say why he did it and said it

but though i hate arnav for saying those words i know whatever arhi may think or do they are made for each other they will stand by each other in pain and happiness.

thats though there was miss the kiss scene and jaadu was pushed to second spot
i feel the whole song sequence had the upcoming track in it. the guy is so smitten by her
he cant live without her but he gets damn scared about his emotions that were not there for long time coming to surface now tell what the h... he should do.
just see where she goes out of his sight for a second and he looks so lost. and he said
koi faraq nahi padtha 😕 going to repent high time but alone not infront of kushi or others ofcourse. and i guess kushi will forgive him because she loves him and he will protect her when required, did you see the new promo, see he is take care of her 😳

so many times i feel arhi behave like couple in most of the time, he is scared and he vents it out only on her and she got hurt cos she just does not understand their relationship equation but i think she also has that inner strength

but said this the epi where he behaves badly i will be super angry with him and bash him along with you 😉😆😳

Originally posted by: MsUniverse

Hi Renu...!

I don't get why he would want her to hate him...He snubbed her already when she asked him the question and then when by announcing his decision to marry La...immediately...Mission accomplished...why should he go out of his way to want her hate so much as to arrange for it?

He brought out the rest...only for two reasons...1) His ego was hurt that she was smiling when he announced his decision...he wanted to see her break...Completely an ego thing...But he kicked her...when she was down with his comment about rich and poor...This was beyond what was called for2) He was desperate to get a reaction out of her that was other than the pretense she was putting up...like a small kid who will hit his sibling if they are not playing with him...in an attempt to grab attention 😃

Hiya Sush!!! It seems the entire "universe" is on your thread!!! Awesome!! Loved the discussion. Compelling arguments from both sides - wonderful!!!

I think it is accepted that he is highly egotistical, self absorbed and extremely impulsive. Their last encounter was brutal and has most likely killed the spirit of a naive, high spirited, genuinely good souled person. But I still feel that it is easier for him to walk away knowing that she hates him than leaving her loving him. When he made the announcement he could sense that she could still love him despite the fact that she can probably never have him. But with those brutal words he can nix any chance of that happening. Again, all this probably more to minimize his guilt than protect her.

That being said, what he did was inexcusable!! We are not trying to forgive - he will have to earn her forgiveness. we are just trying to understand!!

Does that make sense!?!??!

Great discussion, buddy!! Hope all is well at your end, Sush!

Hey Sush...nice post, as always! And yeah..i love ur profile pic.