Truth has different versions..5.4.14 - Page 2

Can I add some quotes too .. Yesterday while I was making my post found some nice quotes here are some:😛

--You eventually learn to trust no one. Being alone sucks but at least you don't have to worry about being let down or hurt again

-- "Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that." -- Martin luther King

--"Have you ever been in love? Horrible isn't it? It makes you so vulnerable. It opens your chest and it opens up your heart and it means that someone can get inside you and mess you up." --Neil Gaiman (I love this one the most, saved for my other post too.. 😊)

--"Have enough courage to trust love one more time and always one more time." --Maya Angelou

Originally posted by: jia.astk

Can I add some quotes too .. Yesterday while I was making my post found some nice quotes here are some:😛 Sure you can.

--You eventually learn to trust no one. Being alone sucks but at least you don't have to worry about being let down or hurt again Baby bear.😭

-- "Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that." -- Martin luther King Honeypot😃

--"Have you ever been in love? Horrible isn't it? It makes you so vulnerable. It opens your chest and it opens up your heart and it means that someone can get inside you and mess you up." --Neil Gaiman (I love this one the most, saved for my other post too.. 😊)sniff sniff...😭...Baby bear

--"Have enough courage to trust love one more time and always one more time." --Maya Angelou honeypot and baby bear should follow this.

Originally posted by: Edna4Philip

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Originally posted by: jia.astk

Good try Jia...the last one can go for all the Agnihotri men +Anjali.

Originally posted by: misti73

"Love is a circular emotion that surrounds you, like a hug. Or a noose."
Jarod Kintz, Love quotes for the ages. And the ageless sages.

If you would be a real seeker after truth, it is necessary that at least once in your life you doubt, as far as possible, all things.

Rene Descartes

"Man is not what he thinks he is, he is what he hides."
Andr Malraux

I am again going on characters today. Today was journey of Astha to some truths. Also it seems the story might be changing.

Anjali and Astha

Astha's journey to realizing some truths begins with Anjali. Astha started convincing Anjali that she is telling the truth, only to have her point being brushed aside by Anjali according to whom Astha is here only for few days and she does not want her to create any more problems. So Anjali thinks that Astha will leave? Why? Also why is she reminding Astha that she will leave? Has she worked out that Neernajan wants the marriage to break and that what Neeranjan wants usually happens? Or does she think that Astha genuinely wants to leave? Coming to Astha, she has been brought up in a family where people usually pay attention to what she says because they love her unconditionally. Astha does not understand it is not necessary that what happens in her family will also take place at Agnihtori's who believe in conditional love. She also does not understand that one cannot force or make someone accept the truth when they themselves do want to believe in it. It is not about Anjali trusting or not trusting Astha, it is more about Anjali turning a blind eye for Neeranjan. Anjali told Astha clearly that they have given her so much love and in return is this what she is giving them. This is similar to what she told Varad...that they have given him freedom to choose his own profession but he has to pay them back by giving a grandson. Both are perfect examples of conditional love...and if they can behave like this with their own son then why can't they behave like this with Astha? Anjali further said that is something happened to Aditi then how are they going to protect their name in front of others. It is true that Aditi could have died but Anjali did not once think that if Aditi was really interested in committing suicide then she would have done that in seclusion and not in front of others. People usually do that when they want attention or when they want to prove a point. Anjali is not an idiot but she won't think like that because then then she will have to acknowledge the truth. Also the family is not that helpless, they can protect themselves by proving that Aditi had bad intentions and the suicide attempt was just a step to cause problems for Astha. But that will mean accepting that Neernajan is not a good judge of character, since he was the one who brought Aditi. Anjali further goes on to add that because of Astha's actions Neeranjan had to bow down his head in front of his friend and that Neeranjan has been hurt by this action. So it again comes back to choosing to bury her head in sand for. Anjali also referred to Astha as shameless because she did not understand her mistake and was repeating it...insulting Neeranjan and not understanding that Neeranjan is bigger than any truth. She also sendsAstha to look after Aditi so that Aditi's ego can be massaged. Anjali did hurt Astha and did call her names but somehow I felt that she is also trying to protect her. Was she also warning her regarding the rules of this house...if she chooses to stay? Misti I felt Anjali was being protective , how she stared after Aastha seem to suggest that.

Anjali and Neeranjan

Anjali kept the glass of milk on the side table and as she was leaving Neeranjan showed his displeasure on Anjali by using his usual hurt tone to indicate to her that why is she repenting for her past mistakes when she is continuing to create blunders (him telling her not to do prayschit). He also might not have wanted Anjali to stand outside because people living in the house are disturbed with the happening and hence they might not be able to sleep. So chances of being caught will be more than before. Anjali immediately understood that she has done something wrong and she asked Neeranjan (In the background Neeranjan's trademark sa re ga re music started which indicates that manipulation has started. It started slowly and then went on to hit a crescendo at the end of the scene). Anjali has worked out that Neeranjan does not want this marriage to survive and Neernajan's manipulative music shows that most probably, she is not far away from the truth. Actually at one point Neeranjan slips...when Anjali was going to object regarding Astha doing the puja because she will be leaving, Neeranjan told her that lets think about today now and we will think about what will happen later when she leaves. At the end of the conversation Neeranjan's mirror image was also shown...which also indicates that what he is saying is not the truth. Something is going on in his head regarding the divorce. Another thing is Neeranjan also asked Anjali to buy jewelry for Aditi and he didn't show any emotional attachment towards her and just wants to do it as a means of buying their favor. Now since the same manipulative music was going on...is he trying to hoodwink Anjali into believing that Aditi is of no importance to him or is it just another means of manipulating Ajinkya? Nothing Niranjan does seems to be without motive😉 Maybe he wanted to appease his friend Ajinkya and save his image by giving Aditi jewellery but I was thinking is this some way to manipulate Aastha?😕 Maybe tempt her to do another nautanki and thus ensure Shlockie will divorce her (if that's whatNiranjan wants ) or spur Aastha's jealousy and manipulate her into staying? Or else if Nirnajan is involved in Aditi's game he is probably just rewarding her like he rewards Anjali !😆

Astha and Shloke

Astha's shawl is used to dust Shloke's bed? Interesting.😛..also first Astha was using it and then Shloke snacthed it from her and started using it.😉..Shloke is furious that one mistake of Astha's could have resulted in Aditi hitting the bucket and that Astha should have apologized to Aditi with a clear heart. But then he stops his tirade and looks down saying that she will not understand...what won't she understand? That why is he doiing all this? Astha tried to make Anjali understand and now she is hoping that atleast Shloke will understand because to her loving someone means trust that person. Shloke as usual throws a tantrum (actually tantrums are good because that means that Shloke knows what Astha is saying the truth but he does not want to accept it😳) and tells her that because of her nature people in this family have problems with her...Because she never wants to accept that she can be wrong...Welll in one way Shloke was telling the truth, not the complete truth but some amount of truth is there...It is true that Astha is not seeing the other side of the coin and that she wants others to accept the truth without any proof and just on her word. She is not thinking that what happens in her parents place will happen here too. This has happened before too but that time she did not face the consequences because Shloke held back on Neeranjan's orders. But is that the only reason why the family members are having problems with her? 😳Isn't it also that fact that Astha is not bowing down and accepting rules, when she seeing wrong being done? Isn't this also that is creating problems for family members because they believe in the Ostrich principle? 😳Shloke also threw a hissy fit because she does not want to change...why because it will make life easier for him. He can have his cake and eat it too? Or does he want her to change so that she understands his perspective. Anyway then he drags in the person with whom he has the maximum problem ...I mean he blamed her upbringing and that means he blamed his sasuma...Kalindi, the daughter of the Sun God😛. Baby bear is really irritated with his sasuma because of sasuma's influence his honeypot is not bending down. Infact she declared to the whole world that she loves baby bear but did not to his sasuma. Exactly Shlockie views his Saasu as a fierce competitor!Baby bear has further more to add...that he is ready to forgive all her dramas but he will not forgive anyone hurting his father, because baba's friends daughter has been hurt. Oh that's very generous of him that he is ready to forgive her..😳.if he follows his persepective but how about following his own advice? 😳And really it is all about baba? What about he knows that honeypot is right but he does not want to accept it because then he will have to accept that his baba is wrong...which will mean that he is wrong. So as usual his baba is the front when something else is going on in his brain. 😳Just like he married honeypot because he wanted to avenge his baba's so called dishonor and him marrying honeypot had nothing to do with his issues regarding Swati which honeypot brought out in him? He also told Astha that he can destroy himself for his baba...so what about her? She is an outsider. Actually he did not mean in the sense that she is an outsider to him...he meant with reference to his baba. He is baba's blood and yet he can destroy himself for his baba while Astha is not related to his baba...thankfully she is not. Astha took it the other way that he meant outsider when he is concerned.Hmm , I viewed this in a slightly different manner but your POV seems to fit in with his expressions too. She is heartbroken that today he has crossed all limits and that when she came to this house for 6 months she came with the acceptance that she will have to leave (so she didn't come because she wanted to find answers?) and that although her brain warned her yet she fell in love again. That her heart wanted to get close to him but her brain kept on warning her and she listened to her brain and now she has lost. Baby bear is going on his tantrum spree and has now wrapped the blanket around himself......Honeypot continues that as long as she stays in the house she will hurt baby bear because there is a difference in their beliefs...that she has been taught to always support the truth (Kalindi's influence) and baby bear does not want to listen to the truth (baba's influence)...Well its good that she realized that it is not that Shloke does not trust her but it is more to do with the fact that he does not want to because then he will have to face the truth and cannot hide his head under the blanket...or in the sand. Honeypot clearly tell him that the difference between them is the difference between what is right and what is wrong. Interesting baby bear just sulked and he does not lash back...can he negate this truth? He actually has a very thoughtful look. Honeypot has a self-talk that it is good that her eyes have finally opened to the truth. Honeypot goes to make her bed and baby bear watches her...both are on their own beds and in deep thoughts. Honeypot is crying and remembering how baby bear protected her not thinking about his own life...how he took care of her in the forest. So care is there...but what if trust is not there (Kalindi's main worry regarding Shloke).While Shloke is remembering Astha hugging him when he saved her from the car accident...Astha telling her of her feelings...declaring to the entire world that she loves him and then he himself reaching out for her and hugging her in the jungle...So again the feelings are there but what is the use if he does not let go of his issues. The next day baby bear and his honeypot both make the gudi and it is baby bear who has a sad expression and is continuously looking at honeypot.

The rats are back

Abhay and his aunt are behind the grills of the window and Abhay is throwing a fit that he cannot manage anymore and that he will make up some story and tell his in laws. The aunt stops him from doing that and tells him that it is all to be blamed on his stars...son got changed to a daughter and Jyoti developed a spinal chord and will his in-laws be happy to know this...She also warns him that the in laws are very powerful. She meant Neeranjan...son got change into girl means Neeranjan has been fed lies (and it is due to Abhay that Jyoti lied) and Abhay's action resulting in Jyopti developing spinal cord means Jyoti has revolted. Will Neeranjan be happy if he knows this? Anyway the phone rings and Abay glares at it...he then pounces on it only to realize that it is Anjali on the phone who wants to talk to Jyoti. Abhay tells her that he is there to take care of Jyoti and Anjali accepts it and tells Abhay that if they want anything then they should tell her and Abhay says that he knows that she always fulfills all his wishes. Now this is true...it is Anjali who is feeding Ajay's ego. Anyway Abhay then solemnly promises that he won't accept any more calls on his land line ...why can't the Agnihotri's land at his place and that he must have married Jyoti at some auspicious time...but what has that got to do anything with landline?

Barney and Jyoti...also Varad.

Barney and Jyoti are in their world and Jyoti is standing in front of the open window, with fresh breeze blowing on her face. She is mesmerized by the sight of Barney teaching the little girl to play the mouth organ. After the girl leaves, Barney observes her watching him and then he starts playing it again...their world is broken by an intrusion...a phone call for Barney regarding an interview. Barney leaves for the interview and it turns out that it is Varad who is interviewing him. On being asked by Varad that why didn't he stick to any of his jobs, Barney's response was that he did not get on with the people whom he had to work for and that's why he left. Varad's expression becomes serious here...Barney continues that his past experience should not create any problems here because he thinks that both of them will get on well. Varad is now furious that Barney is buttering him up and asks him to leave. Was Varad irritated because Barney was buttering him up or was he angry at himself that Barney can leave when he thinks that he cannot mix with the people with whom he has to work with...while Varad does not have that option? Even i wondered about why Varad was pissed off. The guy gave a pretty reasonable answer and moreover in a a field like journalism it's very important that your principles match with that of your mentor and co - workers!Also people usually like being flattery, so why doesn't he? By the way why did Varaad become a journalist...he does not support the truth at home ...so did he become a journalist so that he can make up for it by reporting about the truth. Anyway Barney comes out of the office thinking that Jyoti's luck was not enough for him to get this job.

At night Barney is hanging his clothes to dry and when Jyoti says she will do it, he tells her that she should let him do his work (he is right here) and then he mentions Varad's name but Jytoi does not hear it because of the noise form the pressure cooker (will this come to play in the future?). Jyoti tells Barney that he should have faith on Bappa and that he will get the job and Barney says same to you...I mean he told her that she should follow her own advice and trust bappa..Then all problems in life will become small. Oh I definitely want him to enter the Agnihotri mansion. In fact he will be a good guide for honeypot. Although Jyoti was praying that if circumstances had been different she could have asked Varad to help Barney...but will involving Varad be a safe option?

The masala scene

Aditi tells Astha that she has saved her from getting her hands dirty and that she has really fulfilled the duties of a sister...so at the end will she understand her error?...I mean whatever issues she has regarding Shloke will become a non-issues because it will turn out to be a misunderstanding.

Aditi tells Astha that hatred is just on the outside the fire is much more bigger than that...is her stay being extended in the script? This is the change that I wrote about before. Most of us had guessed this part but are they now going for it.

Some questions...if Astha decides to shay back to protect Shloke and to right a wrong...Shloke's thought regarding escaping from the turth should be a wrong for Astha...will she change herself in the process? Also will it be Shloke who will then stop her? Or will she not change but show that she is changing...to be in the system to clean up the system

Originally posted by: Myra.nelly

Misti, thank you for opening the thread..cant wait to read ur thoughts after i see the epi..

I too wanted to open smth today but just came from a work related trip and all my energy is gone.. i am super tired..You are welcome Myra...hope the trip was good.

EDITED comments:

Ohk, so, now i have a new name for shlokie baby😃 some of you😉 might not like it..as its a princess name..again😆 *drums*...*drums* Myraaa😡😭

...The name is...Rapunzel😃 now why is that? 😳 Leave baby bear alone.remember in this new picture Rapunzel is presented as very childish person at heart, who liked to paint alot..just like shlokie..but her "mother" kept her captive for her own benefits..rings any bell? yeah, same like neeranjan does to shlokie..mmm but I am going to say that it does not ring a bell😳 poor baby bear don't listen to Myra..she is bad.

Although his father doings arent always right( we know there rrnt) yet shlokie never admits his father can be mistaken..just like rapunzel in the story thought abt her step mother..hmpph fiddlededee

Now you are going to say, yeah, yeah but what abt the hair?... well, rapunzel had it verrry long..shlokie has it verrry thick, rain forest style😉😆 ( no ofense to Avi, i do like his hair..short😛)

Anywhoo, continuing with my story here... ashta is the hero here..wich in rapunzels story is a flawed hero..just like our ashta..well, she isnt thief, but shes one curageous soul who wants to help yet shes a bad planner

So when the hero-ashta..meets rapunzel..for the first time, rapunzel hits the hero on the head..literally with a pan..in our story shlokie, hits arrows of fake love to her heart..i am speaking here abt his fake courtship and the hurt ashta suffered at their SR....dhesneyrtnnd,...this is all that I have got to say.

later on, the hero ashta, teaches rapunzel-shlokie..to come out of his tower and explore the world..to see what his baba is restricting him not to live...and thats the world of love and honesty..of freedom of expressing feelings...

This is what was shlokie remebering while standing under his blanket..he was thinking abt ashta expressing her feelings freely..for him..but his very deep devotion to his baba isnt letting him embrace that freedom..so he is still chained..so hero's mission is still on..i mean ashtas mission..she has to cut him loose...

Now my version...baby bear likes to hibernate and can only be woken up by the lovely smells of rich honey...hence honeypot.😃

I liked the scne at night of aashlok..the music was superb, i like this new male version of the song..very beautiful..I also liked this music.

shlok calls ashta a stranger yet he thinks abt the moments he was abt to lose her..this boy has this habit of telling things wich dont go through his mind filter..ntz ntz..ashta may have the advange of being able to cry..but he cant..he is holding everyth inside..I think Shloke called her a stranger with respect to his baba not himself.

I also liked the scenes between Sid and Jyothi..they are both refreshing to c..loved Sid's description of Varad😆 anywhoo, mr hot shot affair is going to repent not paying attention to his sister's saviour..by the way..till when is she going to stay so idle? why isnt jyothi moving on with her thought of letting ashta know abt her condition?😕 Shouldn't she stay away for some more time. Will Varad really be able to stand up against his father when Jyoti is concerned.

Anywho..it seems that kingpin is still stuborn to keep ashta as a bahu..ahamm, so its becoming a challenge now😉 so you interpretated the manipulative music as a challenge and not what he really wants. ...

Originally posted by: chitsss

Today was definitely better than yesterday😉 Primarily because besides Aditi the main players came to play😉

Astha - Anjali

Yesterday when Anjali spoke about the divorce in front of everyone she seemed like her pre -wedding self . But today when she spoke to Aastha she was back to being the Saasubai. True she did remind Aastha about the divorce , it could probably be because she feels Niranjan doesn't want the marriage to hold anymore or it could be because she wants Aastha to remain focused on her marriage. Anjali knows that the Aditi issue could very well break whatever relation has been forged between Aastha - Shlok because it now has Niranjan and his ego involved. 😕 I felt there was some concern in the way she watched Aastha go to Aditi's room and that Anjali in her own way was asking Aastha to let go of Aditi for the time being and concentrate on her saving her marriage.Yes it can work that way. Yesterday when she shouted and let the secret out I felt that she is protecting Astha and asking her that why is she creating such a ruckus if she is stying for only couple of days.She does know that now Neeranjan is aware...although I think that Neeranjan's ego has been involved for a very long time.

Niranjan - Anjali

As expected hot daddy admonished Anjali for blurting out about the divorce in front of guests. It affects his image , the Agnihotris don't advocate divorce and no Agni can ever be heard being relieved over one. There is no hard and fast rule regarding his image...he uses different versions of this image card when he wants job to be done and it depends on the existing circumstances. If he was really bothered about his image then he won't have kicked his in laws on the street. Doesn't kicking his in laws out also hamper his image? I know he made Anjali do it but still as her husband he could have put a stop to it. Dosbn't he think that the people might talk about that and hence his image will get affected. As for whether hot daddy wants divorce or not , I am not sure . Niranjan obviously wasn't saying the truth when he said since it's not their tradition there should be no divorce.Yes thats what I felt It could mean two things either that he wants the marriage to break or that he doesn't want it to break but not to keep up with tradition or image , simply because he isn't done with his prey Aastha. How can he give up so soon? 😉 Ahh so he wants it to continue for some more time until everything has been sucked out of her. Plus he has gone after Avdhut, he is yet to go after Kalindi...Astha's main support.

Shlock - Aastha

Yes Shlockie is screwed but he isn't entirely wrong when he asks Aastha to proceed caution. Like he points out if something did happen to Aditi she would have been blamed. He is actually concerned for her though not expressing it directly.yes and he also has his issues which are further creating confusions Even when he speaks of the repercussions her ways will have he tells her it will create problems for her first only then does he speak of his family which by the way includes his revered Baba😉 😆 Was it that guilt that perhaps cause him to deliver his Mera Baba Mahan sermon.Guilt or security... I said yesterday that Shlockie calling 'paraya' was perhaps his way of justifying himself and his refrain to go against Baba . Today when I saw it I initially felt it was a slip but then I saw how he quickly looked down . Shlockie perhaps wanted to justify his unnatural obsession with Baba by calling her 'paraya' but his truth stared back at him in her hurt eyes. Ok so that how you deciphered this dialogue.mine was slightly different..Was that why he quickly looked down and escaped under his blanket? 😕 Was he trying to not see his altering priorities?😕 I think he went back under the blanket because that is his security. Accepting openly that Astha was saying the truth would mean that Baba is wrong and that will mean that shloke's judgement was wrong...that is baba is not that great and not that wise as he thinks him to be. Is he ready to accept this? Maybe he isn't, so he uses the baba sermons to hide behind it. Also guilt might be involved...that he is betraying baba and not nursing baba's ego but nursing Astha's pain.

Aastha's statement about him not wanting to face the truth seem to resonate with that. She is quite right about the distance between them being the distance between truth and falsehood. After all she lives life with honesty and he ... in scripted imagery .😕🤢

The next day at Gudi Padwa he keeps his hand over hers and does not move it even when she looks at him. It's Aastha who takes her hand back while he keeps looking at her. Shlockie doesn't and can't let Aastha go. True he was completely involved with her But will he do something about it?Lets see,,,,Astha is saying that she will leave...she also knows that Aditi will have a golden oppurtunity if she is not there...so will she only stay back for that or will Shloke do something that will make her stay back. I want Shloke to do something ...it might not be a direct action...even an indirect one that Astha understand will be ok.

Originally posted by: decemapr

lovely analysis misti.

Originally posted by: misti73