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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: AnnzSageflower7


Thanks!

Even after she was gone, Shivaay's behaviour was extreme. Riding bikes fast, uncaring about his image, distant about everything, like his heart had left with Annika that day and a hollow shell remained. Only time he came alive was when she came back. Jealousy was OTT, fight and reaction to mother's lies was OTT too, you know disowning his mom and all. He does everything extreme.

What it looks like to me is , He is going through some emotional upheaval and he is latching on to Annika for support, she and OmRu had hurt themselves for him.

I would expect a feud with your mother is extremely upsetting emotionally, and he isn't quite his normal self.

He wants Annika to confess she loves him so he can be rid of the guilt he feels. Everytime he talks to his mother, the guilt returns because she still hates Annika.

"My mother, hates the woman I love so much. She hurt Annika a lot. And I didn't know." He had to choose between the two women he loves most in his life. That's tough.




Wish most people would understand this and not make it such a big deal ... One person not liking it and influencing everyone is not good ...
its a story and not everyone likes everything ...I also didnt like some portions but I let it go and I just enjoy most of episodes and ignore the small bad ones ... No one is perfect sigh !!! Enjoy and let it go people ... I wish everyone would do that and not rise up in arms ..
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: lams



Wish most people would understand this and not make it such a big deal ... One person not liking it and influencing everyone is not good ...
its a story and not everyone likes everything ...I also didnt like some portions but I let it go and I just enjoy most of episodes and ignore the small bad ones ... No one is perfect sigh !!! Enjoy and let it go people ... I wish everyone would do that and not rise up in arms ..


THIS!!!

I really and I mean REALLY admire people like you. It feels so great to see people understanding the producer and writer's hardship in running a show with three parallel leads. Everyone is definitely entitled to have their opinion as well as post it on IF. they have all the rights in the world to criticize. It's totally fine . All I am concerned about is the lack of understanding part. you can never get anything perfect. Everything in this world is gonna come with flaws. WE as humans are not perfect, to say the least and there are tons of attributes within us that others might dislike. But It should be within us to sometimes disregard those small imperfections and enjoy the significant beauty of the rest of the content of the show.

Thank you for this comment! 🤗


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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: smileyallora

First of all thank you for this brilliant and fresh blooded analysis😊😆

Even before the episode started i had to brace myself as the reviews i had got about billu's pda were pretty bad. But honestly it was not that bad as i had been told.

I had thought since sso never even had a vent to explore the first love and boyishness in him,its just blasting out now like a volcano now. (Not to forget the makers' love for teenage fics like archie's comics)

But i never thought about this "anika's i never knew you could love deep" aspect. This makes better sense and is completely justifiable. I just hope it soothens others too. (Too many rants i swear, people are just hell pissed)😆

Please continue saving me like this😉 😆


People tend to heap their expectations on to characters instead of watching how the writers want to write them. Being an amateur on the writing side (I am, Smiley, accept it) I myself it easy to just go where the flow is taking the story , and then rereading the story and finding it meh or downright boring..

If Shivaay behaves predictably, interest in his character dies. But create an anomaly and suddenly he will be topic of great debate. Bashing, condemning, call it what you want. But Shivaay is the Buzz of Ishqbaaaz. On the screen, he commands your attention when he speaks, screen presence is awesome in Nakuul. Magnetic.

He just flipped onto Annika's side after he found the truth and is determined to fix the damage it did to their relationship. Like I said, the extreme PDA started after she got shot and he almost lost her again.

I dare say, he's starting to feel that along with her being his strength, She is also his weakness. That's what his mother says too "you cant see anything but Annika right now." I think until this guy gets married and settles down, he will be crazy like this...😆

Hearing her say she loves him will calm him down for starters 😉
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: samiksha1993

When I see your name alongside any title I always tell myself "don't read it" because your entire thought process will go topsy turvy but I end up reading it anyway. So you did it again, nothing surprising about it. I do have a question though how do you manage to do this every time, see reason in Shivay's acts and omissions and make your readers also conform to your thoughts?.


I sleep on it ! Believe me, directly after episodes I react just the same as everyone when it becomes controversial or of some contention. But if I criticize, I get backlash of such disappointment that I've come to accept that I must give it thought first. 🤣
Edited by AnnzSageflower7 - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
#26
love love love ur take
this is the man in love we all wanted and damn happy we got that 😉😳
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: yash2010

Hi Doc Morning ... you did it again ... I have read and re read what you have written as I was not able to digest this Shivay in Friday's episode . I get what you are saying but i have this question : what is he doing when they were alone ??? Why does he / all think at this stage only pda works??? When they were alone in the chawl they were normal I mean nothing poignant was shown ... they come back to OM n bam this other side erupts . I will even give in assuming that seeing Pinky reminded him of the harsh reality and he needs to constantly touch n feel her to assure himself that she does not disappear/ leave again ... but that still does not define the last scene where in even Rudy n Bhavya were trying to look anywhere n everywhere but at Shivika and I do not even want to talk about precap where Anika 's expressions show how she is feeling

https://vid.me/NOneL

Check this video out ... tell me you feel the same intensity that was there before all this arc . To me he feels like hormonal lusting Shivay than the head over heels in love with his wife Shivay . I do not mind his over protective over possessiveness he shows with Anika it's with in his character as was shown from the beginning. He was shown to be very intense n all in kind of a guy for what he loves n believes in .

The walk to jhoola him seeming lost in Annika not seeing or feeling anyone except her was all fine but this luvakshari n the last scene 🤢 is something I cannot bring myself to relate to .
I want that thin line between lust n Love not to be crossed when they are trying to show this new in love Shivay ...a balance needs to maintained... I am hoping they will do that soon . Do not even know if I made sense .



Too much of an rant may be but I watch IB for Shivay so I think you get the rest :-)


There was no one more frustrated than me, on the episode after the night together in Annika's house.

Okay he was a gentleman who didn't take advantage of having her to himself, coz that was the best chance he'll get to romance her alone until the marriage. There were so many ways they could've ended that episode better. Show them having a chat through the night watching the rain (since them dancing in the rain is too much to ask) and fade out..

Smiley even pointed out that my house demolition plot from my FF was used next day, but I found no joy on it because it was half baked. I had even lit up a discussion on #ishqbaaaz about what exactly did Shivaay learn by staying at her Chawl when he managed it like a cakewalk. But the answers were resounding that he established he could take anything in his stride if Annika was by his side.

Perhaps writers are aiming for a slightly obsessive love for Shivaay, to come to the fore later when she wants to assert her independence and not conform to his idea of an ideal stay at home wife. This ideal of his goes way back to Mallika track and the discussion he had with OmRu about what his wife should do and be.

Point is, it's a new character trait. Before he wasn't sure of his feelings and he kept it private between them. Now he's sure he's in love, he wants to shout it out from the rooftops 😆
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: NYCForever

love love love ur take

this is the man in love we all wanted and damn happy we got that 😉😳


Blue moon in glory !!! Ruz agrees with me today !!!❤️

Thank you dearie!! 🤗

Quite satisfied that he isn't as supremely self assured and smug in love as well. Waiting to see how lovesick Billu can survive till the wedding 😆
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: nim_var

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lovely wu Anisa, back in the morning

Anisa, Shivaay is a complex man, with 100 shades like his kanji aankhen. This feeling, this LOVE that is bubbling inside of him, is a new emotion for him. He never believed in Love to begin with and when cupid struck him, he does not know how to react, oblivious to all but the emotion that he feels when he is around Anika. He is overwhelmed, he is a possessive man who wants to hear the words from his lady love.

He was chasing Anika around OM after her return, when he was still angry at her, had not forgiven her for hurting his family, romancing her in the hallways with the numerous trip and fall embrace/eyelocks, like a man possessed. Whose every thought consumed his consciousness, fought the attraction tooth and nail, felt anger at his judgement of Anika. Post the grant revelation, he is feeling guilt over his hasty judgement, lashing out at her and is trying to make amends, this girl who never demanded or asked for much from him or his family, means the very world to him now. He is giddy in love, blind to all but Anika and while it is embarrassing for the audience at times... aka the family... they are also seeing the carefree Billu who does not care what the world thinks of him. He is unfettered, free of the shackles that he bound himself to in the name of OBEROI. As Rudra pointed out in his room, post the orphanage visit, Shivaay has become Anika's Shivaay completely, surrendering to the power of love.

That's the issue, by making him sappy, they worry Annika's Shivaay will not be the SSO that we all fell for... but he's evolving, I'm sure there's an angle to this.. the Chantomai will return when they need to catch Svetlana who's threatening the head of the family, Tej & Jhanvi.

Anika is basking in his attentions and is wary yet, holding back from confessing her Love. She is the one who is stronger of the two and is giving him takkar, not yielding to shivaay easily. Going to be made all the more sweeter when she does confess. I hope that HS has a khidkitod scene written for this. The long awaited confession should knock our socks off... like Shivaay is going to be.

I'm sure it will knock Shivaay's socks off... can't wait. It's been a long time coming.. HS always gives Annika big generous words to express herself ..

Saw glimpses of the carefree Anika when she was throwing flowers at Shivaay, the teasing, the smiles and laughs. There is time for the serious convo that must be spoken, the pain filled separation and how she came back to OM.

It was really cute, the way she was toying with him and play in around.. who'd have thought Shivaay Singh Oberoi would be playing chase with his wife around the family??😆 cake holi was the first time right? Reminded me of how carefree she was when they were stuck in jungle outpost.😳

She's coming out of her shell, playing in front of the family..

Shivaay removing the flower from her hair is a throwback or a completion of what she did, during the fake Shitia wedding. The two have always challenged each other and this yet another game which will cement their love further. The farak games, dard games, haq games and now the love game... who will win or what will make them surrender..oh so sweet...


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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: Sakkiyah

Awesome post 👏👏

Shivaay's journey from SSO to Anika's shivaay...it was a slow transformation.It was not happen in one day.It took months.The wall between is fading now.From Shivaay's side he accepted her wholeheartedly.first she was his takat but now his guroor too.NKK is vanished in his world.
Shivaay was always mature when it comes to his feelings .He always had a control on it.But when it comes to Anika...she was different.He always tried to mask his feelings.But his kanji ankhein always followed her.
Now why Shivaay is showing this public affection to her...
After pari's exit Anika told Shivaay that she didn't know he can love someone this extend.Shivaay was shocked after hearing that.His expression in his face...you didn't know...Anika always understood Shivaay better than anyone.His brothers and dadi also failed sometimes.But she always surprised him.
She didn't judge him and accept him what he is.
But that one question shake his basement.where i was wrong?she didn't know how much i loved her?
He always showed his love and affection privately.
Once he told to the whole world"hamare beech mein jo kuch bhi hai vo hamara hai"
Always he showed his love in private and anger in public.
But one thing i never liked about this character.He can show his anger also in their room.It is between them.Then why he shout her in public...in the presence of whole family.
But Now he is evolved into Anika's shivaay.
Once she herself confessed that she want to become number 1 in someone's life.she wanted to do all the madness in love.Now he is doing everything for her.
She is his first love...The people falls in love first time they will be in a dreamland.They forget about themself and do the things which will make their partners happy.
Here Shivika is in that stage.
And Dadi's two foot distance and omkara's line of control is only accelerating this.
Both were sad when dadi told this rule.Only in functions he is getting some time with her.Always his family is surrounding her and dadi is following him.
In chawl why they were normal like the old Shivika?
Because for shivaay It was a new place and to live like a normal life leaving his luxuries..
He took some time to adjust in this new place.But he was with her whole day and was only want her happy.when he got a chance the nature spoiled his plans.
But she opened about why she is afraid of darkness.
We can't blame him...
Now he didn't want to lose at her.


Pinky and shivaay always had a different equation.For him his brothers and dadi was first priority.After that his mother.she was the sole reason for his belief in NKK.she always loved money above than him and he know it.
But his love for his mother is still there.He believed his mother never harm anyone nor she can think about it.only her words are bitter.
But he was wrong.His mother tried to separate him from his wife by blackmailing her with his birth.she called him illegitimate.kiddnapped him and support kamini.It was a shock for shivaay.
He is angry with her.He is only made a distance between them.
But now too pinky is not accepting her mistakes.



Nicely put Sakkiyyah 👏... you've said it all.. Shivaay is evolving and not yet reached end product.. well said ❤️

If it's one peeve I have about Shivaay is he keeps shouting at her in public, i hate that, if I call him out for it there are plenty who will say she deserved it for testing his patience. So if ppl are okay with his shouting, they should be equally okay with his public lovey dovey behaviour.. 👍🏼

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