Why A Shivika Separation and Divorce is Essential Now.

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Posted: 8 years ago
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We needed this, you know. Like a slap across the face, when you are hysterical, or bitter karela for dinner, after biryani. WE needed to remind ourselves as we floated around on the "pheels" of the past episodes, that there is an outside world, and our hero-- well, he lives in it.

Do we blame SSO? No. Damn you, Gul, because for once, you have given me a hero I cant actually hate for what he feels, wants, says. Because he is real. Not ASR, with the blind hate, not Maan, with the ..hell, I don't even know. Not Sahir, with the pathological cruelty. Shivaay Singh Oberoi is not cruel. He does not blindly hate. He is a loving family man, a pretty decent boyfriend, and, (barring some random acts of extreme violence and deep mania) -- even a considerate husband to his unwanted wife.

But he is also-- Shivaay Singh Oberoi. The Oberoi family' s scion. the one who's child must be a blue blood, the one who needs a princess, not a peasant. He is a part of something bigger, something more. That is after all, the truth. He reminded us that, today, with not one word spoken. We audience, we put blinders on, a little like how Shivaay did. We let ourselves dream, a little like how Anika did. That her love, support, her loyalty and her spirit would be enough. But its not, yeah? Nor is his attraction, his fascination, his tenderness enough.

Its not. The Oberoi Mansion and his bedroom, the poolside and his family--- that is the range of his rishta with Anika. But that is not a marriage. He has a reason to declare Tia his spouse. Because (barring the fact she's nuts) that is the spouse he truly needs, and should even expect to have.

Outside the mansion, beyond their bedroom, no matter what Shivaay says to Anika, no matter what she means to him -- every word Tej said, about the dreams and ideals, expectations and family background someone like Shivaay Singh Oberoi has for his life partner-- the Shivaay of today, 200 episodes in--agrees Anika does not have those things. And--no matter what else she is offering---its those things she doesn't have, that matter.


And Shivaay-he still wants those things. Know that. Accept that. Those things that Tej says he should have--he wants them. A girl with naam, khoon, khandan status, class. A girl with the lineage and the ability to set up his business, take him to heights.
Anika is not what he wants. Those things--- not one of them--- can be fulfilled by Anika. The entire family knows it to be true, not just Shivaay.


And, for the first time, Anika felt that truth, for herself today.


I know all we saw today was an eye lock, but to carry the story forward (if they do it right, praise God), that eye lock should tell us everything. And bring us (and Anika) back down with a thud. Nothing has changed, because the essential Shivaay has not changed. And her desperation from tomorrow, begging him to tell her he won't leave her --- I think that's a product of how disposable and small Tej showed her to be today. And Shivaay did it too, right? He cannot say to his Bade Papa, a man he has modeled himself on- Stop. NO. Don't mention her. Haq hai, uska, on this house, on me. That's my wife. Mera patni. Don't bring her up as an example of something small. She is not, she is my partner. My equal. I trust her, I believe in her. She is not an example of a SACRIFICE I made for my Oberoi name. She is my pride, my heart. I didn't give something up, when I got her. I got everything, when I got her.

He doesn't say this, because-- for her all that is true, right now. For him-- none of it is true, right now. The gap between where they are emotionally, how they see each other, got demonstrated for me today. She is clear, honest, and forthright. Don't leave me, you are my world. The only thing I have right now. Family. The one person I have a right on, who has given me what I crave. A home. I have lost that before, many times, in my life. I cannot bear to lose it again now, and lose you. My pati, my pride, my center. Don't leave me.

And today, I realized-- he will.

For him, she is someone a family member can casually insult, and he won't say a word -- because he agrees. I'm not angry. I'm not upset. But what I am is hopeful. Hopeful, because after all he's done, they didn't give us a real redemption of SSO yet. Today I got the sense, it is because he's not on his true path yet. Because, ladies-- he hasn't committed a big enough crime yet. But after tomorrow, when he goes back on both his promises, as we know he must---"Na mei kahi jaungi, na tumhe jaane dungi" when he does both of those things--- going away from her, letting her go away from him-- that is when his crime will deserve the payment of her loss.

When he breaks the most elemental promise she asks of him, and does so regretfully, with his eyes open, and not because of some misunderstanding or blackmailing ex, that is when she will leave. This was not our Shivika romance track. Not yet. She has far to go, and more to suffer, more losses to live through. And he..AH. He has to actually get what he thinks he wants, and see if he likes it. He will lose her, and he won't get her back, not without going through a trial by fire, to emerge as a different man than the proud Oberoi we saw today.

I hope, then, Shivaay will remember Tej's words today. And will recall his own silence, as he heard them spoken. And then, when he has finally done the unforgivable, he will see-- what seems so much more important than Anika, when he has her now, is ashes and dust when he everything else--naam , khoon, khandan, all of it in the future-- but doesn't have Anika by his side.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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A very lovely and right-on-track post😊
Basically as you already mentioned above, SSO hasnt accepted Anika at all, he's just being nice to her because he genuinely cares for her...
but is it love? i doubt about him loving her yet...

and what you mentioned above, that SSO will do another khaand again, this was something i've been thinking a lot lately...
at first i thought that the wedding and the ONS's insult was enough, but the way Anika has forgiven SSO for the ONS's insult and has conveniently forgotten the wedding phases, i also feel SSO isnt yet at its worst... More is yet to come to completely and utterly destroy Anika for her to really decide to leave SSO.

Unless Anika decides and really manages to go away from SSO, SSO will never understand his feelings for her.

See there's also a reason why the CVs have kept Shivika's wedding a secret from society, because anyway when it will be proved that Tia was already married, defacto her wedding with SSO is nullified legally, there's no need for anyone to even know SSO married Anika in real.
SSO will never accept Anika so easily, he cares for her, he'll give his life to protect her, he considers her as a good friend of his, but accepting her as his wife is a long way yet😆

and basically Gul already prepared us for this, she already mentioned this on IG, how even after the ONS and Tia is exposed, SSO will still not accept Anika...
It's only after these events that the journey from SSO to Shivaay will start.

However i doubt divorce will occur, divorce will never occur between Shivika, we already saw this when SSO didnt sign the paper... but separation will definitely occur😳

Personally I'm extremely disappointed in the way Anika has forgotten the marriage events, i'm not expecting her to be rude or always fight with SSO, but there should have been a kinda of reticence in her interactions with SSO( which sadly is missing🥱). Even tomorrow Anika, in her worry of losing SSO, will conveniently forget the reality slap Tej gave her indirectly today!


and to end despite everything i said above, i still think Gul will disappoint us badly with SSO's redemption track, a glass of water, breaking windscreens and whatever and SSO saying sorry is all we might get as redemption😆

still on a positive note Narbhi excels and brings a kind of purity and freshness to Shivika, which has prevented me from leaving this show 😆
Edited by Felicity1234 - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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* Reserved *
* Unreserved *

So it's about 2am in the morning for me, and I reserved this post so I could come back to it tomorrow morning, but now I literally can't sleep because i'm terrified that I'm going to lose some of the rant that I've been mentally preparing since I saw the episode.
I must admit, I skimmed through some of the episode today because family politics really stresses me out, and I honestly don't like watching people yell at each other. However, I did catch the Annika references and I kind of felt a bit sick. The way Tej talked about her was so blunt; to the point where he wasn't even trying to offend her, like Pinky does, but rather, just genuinely projected his opinion on her to the whole family, to make a point.
It was a bit of a slap in the face really, like a bit of a reality check to bring us down from the high that the last two episodes gave us. It's all good and well that Annika decides to destroy Tia with her patni-sauten dialogues, and Shivaay realises that the hots he has for his wife, are actually reciprocated, but today, the writers reminded us what the crux of ShivIka's problems is.
Their journey was never to deal with a forced marriage, or Tia's evil antics - it was to face their own values, moreover his values.
Attraction isn't enough for him. Finding her cute, liking how she makes him feel isn't enough either. Shivaay Singh Oberoi still has a thirty-two-year-old belief system behind him, and whatever Annika is for him right now, she isn't enough.
More than anything, she's an indulgence. Something that he's trying to hold onto, because he wants her. His journey is going to really start when he realises that his want, is becoming a need. The truth is, even at this point, if she were to leave, he would definitely be upset, but his walls would go up ten times as fast as they came down. Painfully, and slowly, he would forfeit what he felt for her because that is what he has always done.
This man has always repressed himself, in the wake of his family. His life revolves around his family, and he wouldn't give a second's thought to sacrificing himself for his family. The only issue is, Annika is more a part of him than she is of the family, so when it comes down to it, he will sacrifice himself, and let her go.

And like you said, that's when I want her to leave as well.
I think she realised today, and subconsciously addressed what Tej was saying. She's been marching around Oberoi Mansion, talking about her rights, and her husband, and her relationship and her family. She's been privy to the romantic side of her husband too, and even though she's flustered, and blushing, she indulges in it. Marrying him, whatever way she was forced to, gave her something that she hasn't ever had. Someone she's had the rights to, someone she can call her own - and today, I think was the first step in her realisation. She never had him in the first place.

I was talking to someone on another thread yesterday, and we were talking about how ShivIka will separate at a happier point in time. Maybe when the evil Kapoor sisters aren't in the picture and things are starting to look up from the romantic angle; something will happen that will end up with Annika leaving, and Shivaay letting her go. And to be honest, I wouldn't really mind.
Think about it, in one of the earlier episodes when Annika talks about falling in love with someone and what she wants; one of the first things she mentions is being 'number one' for someone. It's quite heartbreaking really, because this girl has never had anyone that has really loved her wholeheartedly, and given her the time to indulge herself in it. Sahil's love comes from a place of dependence, and admiration, and when it comes down to it, the truth is, he's not her real brother either. Thus, she's already dependent on the idea of Shivaay and when he takes that all away, that's when her world will come crashing down.

I've been writing a story for a while now; my take on the ShivIka separation track and the redemption. It's essentially about how I would want it to play out on the show. Pretty much, the Kapoor sisters are out of the picture, and things are starting to look up for Shivaay and Annika in terms of their love story, when the family finds out that Ranveer has forced Priyanka into getting married to him. Cue, Shivaay completely explodes, and for the first time really, we see Annika livid at someone because she's been in the exact spot that Priyanka is in. Shivaay angrily wonders how someone could do something like that to an Oberoi, and that's where Annika loses it. Insert, ShivIka fight about how both women's lives were ruined, regardless of family, and Annika tells him how screwed up his belief system is. And then leaves.
It's a bit far-fetched, but I wish that was how the separation track could play out.

And as for the divorce, I wouldn't mind if it actually happened. If you think about it, how can complete happiness materialise from a relationship that's been forced?
At one point or another, she will resent him, and I would rather it be now, then when they're happily in love.
Edited by Innika - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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I do so wish what you predict will, and should happen in the later storyline comes true.. i have been wanting Anika to leave shivaay ever since they got married, but she has never taken a true stand for her self-respect as of yet. She should know that right now, imagining a future with Shivaay is pretty much useless. I definitely feel that she MUST leave Shivaay and cut all ties with Oberoi Mansion in the near future so that her idiot of a husband can finally realize exactly what he is losing out on for the sake of lineage and business. I'd go even so far as to hope that she leaves the city altogether, to get a fresh start for herself, while her brother Sahil stays at the boarding school. There should be a short leap where Shivaay cant find Anika as she has left the city, and uses all his resources and power to find out her whereabouts. I want to see the desperation and longing that i doubt can be seen if Anika simply shifts back to her old house, and resumes her old life.
However, having said all that, and knowing Gul, i can only believe that all this can come true in my wildest dreams, for she rarely satisfies the audience with getting on the right track. I just wish this Kapoor Sisters track doesn't carry on for much longer, for i am eagerly waiting for a separation track soon in the serial.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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I don't see shivika separation or shivika divorce happening anytime soon. What tej mentioned about anika's background can serve a reminder to shivaay on what he wants to do regarding anika and tia. He has to decide what is important his new found feelings for anika or his NKK.I'm glad tej brought the point.Either the decision to really separate for Khoon khandaan or decide to stand for his love. But CVs follow-up scenes nahi karte kisi ke bhi.😆 So no idea if tej words are going to be of use in any way.
Edited by LTLFan - 8 years ago
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Did something happen today as in Shivaay took a 360* turn and is again being cold with Anika. I haven't watched the episode yet but knew he will do something. I'll edit my comment after watching the episode.

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Since the last few weeks especially a week later to their marriage Shivaay has made Anika feel special not by his words mainly but by the actions. As actions speak louder than the words it made Anika forget how exactly Shivaay takes her as. Everybody has their self-made beliefs and even he has one i.e NKK & paisa power. He was marrying Tia just for the commercial purpose and he isn't hesitant in accepting that but he ended up marrying Anika to say the family's reputation but he is ashamed to accept Anika in front of the whole world.

It is Shivaay's fault that he made Anika believe that his care, concern would be enough for their relationship to progress. Meanwhile Shivaay was also not in a mood to recall his NKK obsession. Anika's cute antics mesmerised him, he started getting affected by anika's presence. They both equally made eachother forget about the bitter reality of their marriage.

Tej was simple and straightforward with his words. He said the truth, Shivaay ne bhi tou khandaan ki izzat bachaney k liey Anika say shaadi ker li. These words pricked them, it seems to hurt more when a third person gives you a reality check when he is not the even the subject in question. His words made Anika realise that no matter what she does, she just can't change the fact about Who she is. Tia is still a declared wife of Shivaay. No one really is interested in knowing the backstory, they believe what they see and Tia is Shivaay's wife who is pregnant with his child. Who is Anika to the world? Anika is a nobody.

Shivaay probably relied on Anika because of things mainly because of his family. Anika needs to stop giving Mera Mera speeches and let Shivaay realise what is Uska. Instead of letting her fears and worries about him run rampant, she needs to take a stand not just for herself but for their 'relationship'. He is not afraid of losing her. Is he? Because he has no fear thy she'll leave him. After the divorce he was confident that she will not go anywhere in the end, she has made so easy for him. After all, he has seen her tolerate his countless nonsense, bad behaviour so what's one more time going to hurt? He hasn't done anything yet but knowing Shivaay no one knows what he'll do/say the next moment. Ultimately he will end up hurting her.

If she wants to make him afraid of losing her she needs to make him realise her worth without the Naam, Khoon Khandaan and all. This will be the only possibility for Shivaay to overemphasise the importance of Anika in his life while getting out of self-made prison of NKK. He will need his heart to win over his mind. He needs to redeem over his inhumane behaviour with Anika on the wedding and this will happen only after he'll be enlightened with Tia(Naam Khoon Khandaan wali larki's) true colours.


I really love how you linked everything with the future redemption track but Gul has never disappointed us in showing illogical tracks. Replacing redemption with Taddi cum Romance is her habit.

PS. I never knew i could make such a long post, sorry! I've noticed it's only you who manages to pull the rant ka keera out of me😆
Edited by fizy_wizy - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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To be honest, I am extremely glad that this issue was brought up in today's episode and don't wish to see it be pushed under the rug again. This is the basis and actual reality if their relationship, atleast rught now, that one refuses or is maybe hesitant to actually accept their relationship publicly.
As previously hinted before, it's truly only SSO's journey of how he acts and deals with it all.And going by it, it's going to quite journey.
I would love for that track to be properly executed.
I couldn't really connect with the last two episodes, I feel that we have so much unsaid and undone, that it's a bit early for romance.
Real and actual angst and their differences need to be highlighted, for them to actaully move forward.
Edited by samaz95 - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Thank You for this beautiful post. It is bang on. Yes i too want Anika to go far from Shivaay for once, only then will he realize her worth, her importance in his lyf. Once this Tia crap is over i want Anika to move out of OM.
I want Shivaay to realize & fight for his love. I want him to respect Anika for what she is and then re- marry her with her consent and get her home with full honour. Shivaay has taken Anika too much for granted... he needs to earn her respect. Only then can he be redeemed and they can become ShiVika in true sense.
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First of all.. Amazing Amazing post 👏👏 I completely agree with you.. We have been discussing something similar in AY's thread since yesterday.. Not where this story is leading but why we like Shivaay and why he is the way he is..

After seeing the episode my thoughts were exactly the same.. I don't know if I'm going to make sense 😆 but I'll give it a try.. 😊
What we get today is chotu sa 2 seconds ka eyelock but even that spoke volumes... more than any episode since this marriage happened.. And finally I get to do a serious wala post in addition to a LULZY discussion 😆

I have always been hopeful that there is still a long way to go for these two - mostly Shivaay but also Anika.. They are taking baby steps and trying to climb this tall ladder which is taking them to this place called LOVE, which these 2 practical souls do not actually believe in...😆 But there are many stairs missing.. They are building the next step while standing on the current one and hence this delay 😊
Bas I'm hopeful that the CVs don't break they careful laid steps on the way(read please no manhandling😡, no mahaan Anika😕)...

Shivaay ka redemption.. I don't know what that is or will be and I don't even care..
Him giving up on NKK na? For me this NKK defines him.. I(and also Anika) won't want him to lose his identity na.. Yes I do want him to build another identity separate from the Oberoi surname but that is a story for a different day.. 😆For me Shivaay's growth is "Him understanding the impact of his NKK/his principles on Anika and their relationship and then EVOLVING so that he can fix the chinks in their relationship/Anika 😭due to NKK"

They both *just fell(scratch that)* were forced into this whole cycle...
Yes, they are ATTRACTED towards each other..
Yes they are POSSESSIVE towards each others..
Yes they are CONCERNED about each other and PROTECTIVE towards each other..
Yes, they are CURIOUS about each other
BUT
they still DON'T KNOW/UNDERSTAND the other person and they are NOT even TRYING.. They don't know what situations/experiences/ideologies/philosophies have made the other person the person they currently are..😊

Pre-marriage track - They had this IMPLICIT TRUST - The various MUs(Daksh, Tia yada yada yada) shook it.. 😭 [Mujhe bhi hila diya tha iss track then] BUT in this current track, this trust has been strengthen.. It is now Fevicol ka jod.. tootega nahi.. It will remain INTACT... now nothing can shake it.. (please cvs don't make me regret saying this..😆) For both of them - this is a huge milestone 😊

The wheels in their head (both Anika and Shivaay) go ROUND and ROUND when someone VERBALIZES what their HEART has already UNDERSTOOD & HEAD already KNEW. And today.. Tej did the honors!! 👏They got the much much much needed reality check!! 😊 This conflict.. This conflict defines these two individuals and this relationship! 😳😆

Now as we have seen in this current track both of them have this IMPLICIT HAQ on each other.. 😳 And now I think the next set of unforeseen circumstances(don't think there will be any MU's now since they trust each other) are going to QUESTION this HAQ(and now I don't know if this means there will be a divorce but I would surely want a judaai😆).. And in the next track, we will see them VOCALIZING this RIGHT(HAQ) to the ENTIRE WORLD.. Kissi ko koi SHAK nahi hoga that these two BELONG to each other.. 😳 Right now there is a SENSE OF POSSESSION but NOT a sense of BELONGING for both of them

There are many other steps in this - Anika ke flaws, Dono ka Ego, Dono ka past etc.. 😊 I'll be waiting for each of these steps... (.I have huge list we can discuss this if anyone is interested..)
Again a much needed and awesome post! 😊

Originally posted by: fizy_wizy

Did something happen today as in Shivaay took a 360* turn and is agin being cold with Anika. I haven't watched the episode yet but knew he will do something. I'll edit my comment after watching the episode.
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No No don't worry Shivaay ne U-Turn nahi maara hai.. Bas Shivaay-Anika got a much needed reality check. 😊
Edited by blackorwhite - 8 years ago
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You spoke the words in my mind Navin !
I was reeling with the backhand slap of a statement Tej made about Annika, being the unwanted result of Shivaay's majboori.

All the while, the family were championing her, befriending her, accepting her. Tej just undid it all, far worse than Pinky can ever do.

He made a proud example of Shivaay being selfless and noble, putting aside his wishes to save his family's pride, by marrying Annika.

How degrading! I felt so bad for her!

It was the stalk truth, bluntly put. She was nowhere nearer him as a wife or a companion. She's his big secret. He confides in her, in secret. He teases her , in secret. He stops her from leaving, in secret code.

Yes, he worries about her a lot, but he needs to say the words! He shunned her publicly, loves her privately. That is a shameful way to love a woman. He needs to respect her as a woman, THE woman who keeps his heart safely with her.

I can see he's getting there. But my fear is, his procrastination and lack of urgency is going to cause him a lot of pain. Tia and Svetlana are up to something dastardly, and it's aimed at the elder Oberois, Tej & Jhanvi.

She played on Tej's ambitious nature and competitiveness to win at all costs. Instead of just doubling his efforts, he wants take a page out of Shivaay's book and make Om marry advantageously. He didn't even investigate the family first, blindly trusted Svetlana. Big mistake.

I worry for Annika. She wears her heart on her sleeve when it comes to Shivaay. She may own Billu's heart, but Shivaay Singh Oberoi is a tycoon with grand plans. She will be swallowed and smothered in his world and it's loneliness. Because he didn't reach out for her hand, to walk with him. Yet.

He going to hurt her again. I'm afraid it might be to the point where she will rue the day she fell in love. Definitely some huge painful separation is coming.

And it scares me... Because GK is a sadist. (Sorry)

She's the kind who separated a man from his wife whom he loved dearly, and had to refrain from loving her because she did not remember him. And then killed him tragically, only then she remembered him again. I still have the scars.
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