who is the fakest between the brothers

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Posted: 9 years ago
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I was a bit surprised with the different views on OmRu being selfish when they voiced their dislike of Shivaay's behavior of leaving. for me it was not about them distrusting Shivaay but rather they being human and having personalities of their own. But more than that they are a family who at their cornerstone have trust between them and more then that they share everything with on another. for me neither brother is higher than the other nor is any of them lower than the other. they a unit where each one has something that the other does not have which the other needs.

now coming to my title I think whatever we have seen of the brothers is a mirage they have made a cocoon for themselves blocking out the rest where it is just them. But none of them are what they seem.

All 3 brothers are so different from each another but the one link is the childish innocence and dumbness of Rudra which prevents Om and Shivaay individual views and ideologies causing a constant friction between the brothers. Om is fine with a person being who they are as long as they don't invade his sphere. But when u invade his space then he turns into someone who is opposite from the Om than we usual see of being calm, cool and logical and opened minded. And this makes we think that Om is not what he appears to be and who is he actually I can not wait to see the Om who took drugs and is not in control and thinking flowering words and spewing it out to his brother. The Om that he has created himself into that believes in trust, transparency and to an extent love is not the real Om. i dnt much believe in the love part coz I think he cares about Riddhima but he does not love her neither will he love Mela, veda or whatever her name in the future until he becomes who he really is. I think each time that he has lashed out at Shivaay i see more of his father in him and it feels like he is bigger in age then Shivaay as well.

the scene when he and Shivaay got into an argument coz of Riddhima when she 1st lied to him i felt a undertone to that convo where I think they both taunted each another. that look on Om's face when Shivaay went on and on about class, money, status and upbringing I felt like he was throwing mud on Om's face coz shivaay's thoughts was everything he hated. a good upbringing didnt stop his father from having an affair, class did not stop his mom from becoming an alcoholic and money helped him become an addict. and him mentioning about others being self made seemed almost like a dig on Shivaay who is not to a degree self made coz he is working in the family business. But whenever he has lashed out on Shivaay it wasn't coz he distrusted him but rather coz his space where he allows openness, transparency and honesty was being invaded and tainted by others and he reacted by attacking.

When it comes to Shivaay I don't know whether he is anything more then what he has been shown to be I mean his values are disgusting and will obviously have to change later on in the show. but what makes him tick i dont know. we don't see him interacting much with his parents is he a bit embarrassed of his mom who lets admit it doesn't look high class from any angle. is that the reason why he is on about class and status all the time and him wanting to control any sort of sickness with his tablets. If Om is a drug addict then him taking all those tablets is not good either. he likes to think of himself as being omnipotent him being dependent on anything I think would not sit well with him. But out of all the brothers I think he for me is probably the most transparent coz its not the personality that needs to change but rather the mentality. but with Om and Rudra I am not sure.

Rudra for me is my fav character and Lee is my fav actor on the show with limited screen time and characterization I think he has done such an amazing job. For me Rudra is the most intelligent and most real. My fav scenes of him is when ShivOm are having one of their power struggles and he does something that floors them both and distracts them and which will also happen in the future.

Om has flowering words to hide behind and wants to create a fantasy world of perfection, Shivaay has his rudeness and money to hide behind but Rudra uses his innocence and lack of intelligence to control both brothers. Its surprising that the one who one would feel would be the most open is not the 1 who actual is he does not share his true feelings and views about what he feels on issues, on relationships he just listens to what they saying and takes it in and then comes to the center when he needs to coz the other 2 look like they gona create WW3. I love that out of every one the one person I feel Rudra is the most real with is not his brother but rather Souyma. And what I liked about Rudra saying that Shivaay was not right it showed me for the 1st time that he will ultimately stand by the truth of what he sees and wouldn't be afraid to tell that to anyone including either of his brothers.

I wish the cvs don't disappoint coz they have amazing actors on the show their characters at their core is beautiful and its gona be amazing to see which 1 will turn on the other, who is the fakest and most real and more than that who is the KIng of the empire there seems to be a power struggle that will eventually happen and I think that it will be with ShivOm but Rudra will probably I hope run the business. I just hope that the cvs stop with trying to project a lead male, female and couple coz its not about that its about the brothers. I was abit disappointed with last nights episode and the cheesiness of the brothers having raksha bandhan btw themselves and Shivaay almost being knighted into one of the bahu's on tv. sorry but with 2 beautifully characters like OmRu around Shivaay cant be a Ram and dominate the storyline coz they are equally beautiful just like him
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Bang on post!
Will reply in detail later.
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Hey sandib how r u? I started watching this show after seeing u in forum so that I could chat with you. Now I have become addicted but u are no where to be shown. Now coming to ur post. Its bang on post. I really loved each and every word of it.
If we see in their characters i think none has qualities of Ram.

Shivaye is wonderful brother but not human as he can take any means be it right or wrong to protect his family which I think even Tej and pinky would.for their sons.

Om wants trust but i feel he himself fear of trusting anyone. He has layers in himself and is not transparent. His character can go in any direction. He is demanding and i can see his love is not unconditional.

Rudra is not explored much so he can also go in any direction but till only bad quality that he seems to have is he a playboy. Other than that he seems to be better than other two. But as much of him is not shown till now even he can be moulded to any direction.
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Bang on post !"
show it as story of three brothers
Not as the story of Rama
Not as ramayana or mahabharta..
If they anyone of as ram then they are insulting other two characters.
All 3 characters are equally strong & the actors doing equal justice.
No one is less & no one is more.
I want gul to break the ice & treat them all as brothers & not as Ram,laxman or bharat. Frankly none of these can become Ram,laxman & bharat. They were gods & these three are humans.
I am totally angaist of Ramayana way.
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Bang on post and much needed post 👏

There's nothing to add.
Just want to say all three are different in ideologies, so they will clash it's not about distrust or something else.
It's just their character traits.

Well I too think Rudra is the one who is going to take the Oberoi empire.
Om has got different layers so as Shivay.

I love these flawed Obbros
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Posted: 9 years ago
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I completely agree with your views on the topic that we don't actually know exactly who these people are.. we just know some basic facts and a little bit of back story on each of those facts.
It's very much true that between the 3 brothers knowingly of unknowingly Rudra is the peace keeper along with being the biggest link between them. Without Rudra there would be constant friction and clashes between Om and Shivaay. And no matter what is seems to be I feel that Rudra is much more aware to what is happening between them and that there WILL be a full blown war between them and that is why and when he decides to interrupt. You can see that during 2 of Om and Shivaay's biggest arguments he interrupted at the moments just before they would end up starting WWIII (in your own words😊). When Om was questioning how there was absolutely nothing about the Maha Aarti in the news and Shivaay was trying to support what their parents had done to cover it up Om had gotten pissed and screamed back and right before it turned into a full blown argument Rudra interrupted complaining about whatever (I can't remember what exactly). The second time was, as you mentioned, the argument about Riddhima's lie where their ideology's clashed and again the time that Rudra decides to interrupt again is when Shivaay and Omkara are standing back to back. Yet we are still to see what happens when Rudra ends up getting into a serious heated argument with his brothers or anyone for that matter.

I also cannot wait to see and find out more about the Om who was a drug addict. I want to know about how it happened, what or who pushed him to that point and how it affected all of their lives. I also believe that this Om who hates lies and lairs and all the other stuff he portrays is just one layer of the actual Omkara. We don't really know how he was as a kid or when he was a teen, and we don't exactly know how drugs changed him, it's a major part of his character that need to be explored soon and hopefully they execute it properly.

Another thing is that since he hates his father so much this personality and these ideals that he has is, I feel, somewhat created by him just so that he can contradict everything that his father believes in and become the complete opposite of him just because. As you mentioned, when he lashes out at people you can see similarities between the two.

The argument about Riddhima ended up becoming more of an indirect taunting match instead of a discussion about what had happened. I didn't really get that vibe from Shivaay but I definitely got it from Om. He was indirectly showing Shivaay that the person you are complaining about and the person who you are complaining to are both self made people. Anika is who she is by her own efforts and Om has built his own career successfully without having any connection with or to the Oberoi business. Shivaay on the other hand has built himself using the Oberoi name and by being a part of the family business.

Shivaay is definitely someone who needs to change his mentality. Coming to the part of taking so many different types of pills I feel like Shivaay is some what of an addict himself. I'm not a doctor or anything but I know that taking that many pills at once unnecessarily is more harmful to your health than it is beneficial.

Anyways... I should probably stop.. cause I feel like my reply has ended up being almost as long as your original post.😆


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Posted: 9 years ago
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A very interesting post. I'd thought I share my viewpoint.

The Shivkara dynamic is the most fascinating to me because we're shown their arguments always arise from their contradicting viewpoints. However, to me their two sides on the same coin. Both can be gentle and kind while other times they can be cruel and unforgiving. The degrees vary depending on the situation, but their reaction to being challenged and conviction to "their truth" are the same. Sometimes Om seems like the compassionate one while other times it's Shivaay.

Emotionally, both of them seem extremely lost to me, but Om seems to have a little more hope left hence he's ability to trust so easily (Anika,Bela/Mala,Roop). However, once that trust is betrayed Om can just as cruel as Shivaay. We are shown that Om still sees the good in people while Shivaay seems more jaded about people and the perspective of love. I don't think Shivaay is as heartless as he likes to pretend to be. With both Om and Shivaay I get the feeling
that they willingly shut themselves off emotionally to others (with exception of Rudra and Dadi).

For Shivaay, lineage, money, and power is safe for him because it works. Being in his position he must have been exposed to the uglier side of people (both rich and poor) and he leans towards the pessimistic "the glass is half empty." Losing faith in people he spends all his time and effort keeping his family safe and together. Family aside people change and circumstance change, but his name and everything it provides stays constant. As pessimistic as he is Shivaay can just as understanding.

I abhor his behavior towards Anika and there is no excuse for that. I missed some episodes so how much of that was because his family was being harmed I can't say. His behavior then was horrible, but the reason for his dislike even after Anika's name has been cleared makes me doubt his dislike for her was based on her income status. He could just not like her because he just doesn't like her. Or maybe because she challenges him?

For Om, lineage, money, and power don't matter to him because to him people aren't defined by material things. Character is how he defines people and truth is the most important to him. From his experiences, he must have been exposed to the uglier side of people as well, but he chose to take a more optimistic"the glass is half full route." However, people aren't always honest and most cases people don't live up to our expectations. It takes a strong person to trust others, but it takes an even bigger person to forgive and attempt to understand others. Here is where Om is similar to Shivaay as he is just as unforgiving and cold. He also doesn't like his decisions/feelings being challenged in any form by anyone. As optimistic as he is he is also as rigid in his beliefs.

I find Rudra the most fascinating because we have only seen glimpses of the real him. He is immature, but he might the kindest out of all them. His innocence is best quality and probably what keeps him sane living with his family. He jokes, but he is always honest with everyone (even when he shouldn't be). He is straightforward and I like that about him. At times, he seems to be playing the fool just to keep the peace. Maybe he is comfortable not being in the foreground and enjoys providing the much needed relief. Like Om I don't think he is very fond of his dad, but he doesn't disrespect him openly.

All three brothers are different and alike in so many different ways. They are kind and flawed with so many layers and aspects to their personalities.I'm looking forward to seeing more.
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outstanding post...just loved it man...I agree to each and every word you say...
and even I think shivaaye was seeming to be the serials bahu bcos f the way that he was potrayed...they should also focus on omru...
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Much needed post Sandia.
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Originally posted by: yellomellow

A very interesting post. I'd thought I share my viewpoint.

The Shivkara dynamic is the most fascinating to me because we're shown their arguments always arise from their contradicting viewpoints. However, to me their two sides on the same coin. Both can be gentle and kind while other times they can be cruel and unforgiving. The degrees vary depending on the situation, but their reaction to being challenged and conviction to "their truth" are the same. Sometimes Om seems like the compassionate one while other times it's Shivaay.

Emotionally, both of them seem extremely lost to me, but Om seems to have a little more hope left hence he's ability to trust so easily (Anika,Bela/Mala,Roop). However, once that trust is betrayed Om can just as cruel as Shivaay. We are shown that Om still sees the good in people while Shivaay seems more jaded about people and the perspective of love. I don't think Shivaay is as heartless as he likes to pretend to be. With both Om and Shivaay I get the feeling
that they willingly shut themselves off emotionally to others (with exception of Rudra and Dadi).

For Shivaay, lineage, money, and power is safe for him because it works. Being in his position he must have been exposed to the uglier side of people (both rich and poor) and he leans towards the pessimistic "the glass is half empty." Losing faith in people he spends all his time and effort keeping his family safe and together. Family aside people change and circumstance change, but his name and everything it provides stays constant. As pessimistic as he is Shivaay can just as understanding.

I abhor his behavior towards Anika and there is no excuse for that. I missed some episodes so how much of that was because his family was being harmed I can't say. His behavior then was horrible, but the reason for his dislike even after Anika's name has been cleared makes me doubt his dislike for her was based on her income status. He could just not like her because he just doesn't like her. Or maybe because she challenges him?

For Om, lineage, money, and power don't matter to him because to him people aren't defined by material things. Character is how he defines people and truth is the most important to him. From his experiences, he must have been exposed to the uglier side of people as well, but he chose to take a more optimistic"the glass is half full route." However, people aren't always honest and most cases people don't live up to our expectations. It takes a strong person to trust others, but it takes an even bigger person to forgive and attempt to understand others. Here is where Om is similar to Shivaay as he is just as unforgiving and cold. He also doesn't like his decisions/feelings being challenged in any form by anyone. As optimistic as he is he is also as rigid in his beliefs.

I find Rudra the most fascinating because we have only seen glimpses of the real him. He is immature, but he might the kindest out of all them. His innocence is best quality and probably what keeps him sane living with his family. He jokes, but he is always honest with everyone (even when he shouldn't be). He is straightforward and I like that about him. At times, he seems to be playing the fool just to keep the peace. Maybe he is comfortable not being in the foreground and enjoys providing the much needed relief. Like Om I don't think he is very fond of his dad, but he doesn't disrespect him openly.

All three brothers are different and alike in so many different ways. They are kind and flawed with so many layers and aspects to their personalities.I'm looking forward to seeing more.


👏 you just said what I wanted to say, seems you understand all the 3 brothers well and most unbiased view I have seen.

To me both Sivaay and Om needs to learn especially regarding name, power and money. Shivaay needs to learn that all those 3 should not take precedence when it comes to human emotions, while Om needs to learn that he scoffs at one day will help him when he will need it the most and how cruel this world can be to those people who do not have it.

About Rudra I agree with your assessment.

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