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Posted: 12 years ago

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Originally posted by: Viraaga

So Iccha Shakti took human form as Radha.What is Iccha Shakti?😕

Actually Shakti is Vital Force of our existence.It comes in different forms like Jnana Shakti(Saraswathi),Iccha Shakti(Lakshmi) and Kriya Shakti(Parvathi) which are powers of Brahma,Vishnu and Maheshwara.Atma Shakti(Spiritual Force)etc.

Although it is considered feminine in nature, it is usually reserved as a term used to discuss the power of Hindu goddesses, rather than human females. Shakti is divine, or sacred feminine power.Shakti is man's power(here man is not only male even female)!

You can even term Shakti(Power) of Lord Krishna as Radha.

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Posted: 12 years ago

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Originally posted by: Surya_krsnbhakt
Even the birth of Krishna has an allegory!

Vasudeva represents the mind, and Devaki is the Atma. So the mind has both good thoughts as well as bad thoughts. There are six main vices: Desire, Anger, Greed, Attachment, Pride and Jealousy.
So when the mind thinks about all these six vices, the Atma also gets these vices. (Can someone frame this in a better way? I don't know how to!😕) This is the allegory of the six sons of Devaki. These six sons are first destroyed i.e. These six vices are removed. (These six vices are mostly removed by a guru (ie) in this case Kamsa!😲)I think it was Sage Narad who directed Kamsa to kill those 6 children so let us consider him as Guru.😆

After that, we slowly get bhakti for God - that is the purport of Balarama's birth. After BHakti is inculcated, the Lord Himself comes and sits in our heart and Atma - The Krishna Avatara!

I will see for some more!

Actually Surya,though the birth of Rama and Krishna is described as an allegory I consider them to be historical events(Mahabharatha,Ramayana wars and events)though certain incidents are considered to be metaphorical.

Ok.It is nice to have an allegory for this event like we have for birth of Shri Ram.

Interpretation 1 :

Krishna coming out of prison represents Soul coming out of Ignorance,bondage(parents etc.) (This is from Osho Library.)

Interpretation 2 :

Vasudeva is Jeeva.Forgetting his commitments(leaving the relation with his wife Rohini behind he takes second marriage) not satisfied with what he has desires for materials(sons) leaving behind his duty.Gets caught in the eddy(prisoned by Kamsa after marriage).Develops devotion towards god realising his mistake,lord appears(birth of Krishna) fulfils his desires but the fruits of action must be enjoyed by him so he remains in prison till his fate keeps him.But is protected by God(Krishna)due to devotion and later removes his sufferings.

(I read this (2nd) in a spiritual magazine)😳

Edited by SRUJAconscience - 12 years ago

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Posted: 12 years ago

#13

Originally posted by: SRUJAconscience

Actually Surya,though the birth of Rama and Krishna is described as an allegory I consider them to be historical events(Mahabharatha,Ramayana wars and events)though certain incidents are considered to be metaphorical.
I am not saying that they are NOT historical events - I am saying that these historical events have an inner meaning. Actually, everything in life has both an inner meaning as well as literal meaning.

Ok.It is nice to have an allegory for this event like we have for birth of Shri Ram.

Interpretation 1 :

Krishna coming out of prison represents Soul coming out of Ignorance,bondage(parents etc.) (This is from Osho Library.)

Interpretation 2 :

Vasudeva is Jeeva.Forgetting his commitments(leaving the relation with his wife Rohini behind he takes second marriage) not satisfied with what he has desires for materials(sons) leaving behind his duty.Gets caught in the eddy(prisoned by Kamsa after marriage).Develops devotion towards god realising his mistake,lord appears(birth of Krishna) fulfils his desires but the fruits of action must be enjoyed by him so he remains in prison till his fate keeps him.But is protected by God(Krishna)due to devotion and later removes his sufferings.
(I read this (2nd) in a spiritual magazine)😳

The two interpretations are nice! What is the interpretation of Rama's birth?

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Posted: 12 years ago

#14

Originally posted by: SRUJAconscience

As other members said, this relationship is a metaphor for devotee and God...
It is represented in form of love.It is not physical incest .It was spiritual union symbolically described.

Even in Vedas god is compared to a dedicated wife who's love is only for her husband and vice versa.

Not only Radha,the same applies for other Gopis,Meera,Sakkubai etc.
I can say Krishna's love for Radha is the same love he had for Uddhava,Arjuna,Cows and all his devotees!😊

Once Meerabai said "It is Krishna as my mother,it is Krishna as my father,it is Krishna as my husband and it is Krishna as my friends.It is Krishna everywhere.

This itself explains the meaning of divine love where Lord's devotees experience his presence in every inch of this world.

So even Aandal has the same divine feelings for Krishna!😃

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Cherry

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Posted: 12 years ago

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Hey what about a seperate thread for Allegory?😊

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Posted: 12 years ago

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Originally posted by: Surya_krsnbhakt

The two interpretations are nice! What is the interpretation of Rama's birth?

Yes,every spiritual historical event has an inner meaning but some allegory need not have material existence.

For Ramayana it goes on something like this...

Dasaratha means a human with 10 senses(5+5),3 wives are Satwa,Raja and Tamo Gunas...

Will post it completely later.As of now I remember this only in bits!

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Posted: 12 years ago

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Here is another one, about Rukmini Kalyanam:

As you all know, Rukmini had five brothers, out of which Rukmi is the main antagonist in the story. And Rukmi wanted Rukmini to marry Shishupaala, but she wants to marry Krishna. So she sends a messenger to Krishna to come and kidnap her.

Spiritual meaning:

Rukmini is a jeeva, bound by the five sense organs (her brothers) and is being forced to marry Shishupaala, that is being controolled by the mind, which is going to all bad thoughts. The jeevan wants to reach the Paramatma, but doesn't find a way. Just then, a guru comes and agrees to help the jeevan reach the Paramatma. With the guru's help, PAramatma Himself comes and frees the jeevan from the bondage of the mind and the five senses.

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Posted: 12 years ago

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Nice spiritual interpretation Surya_Krsnbhakt👏

Do you think of any events as plain allegory and not connected with historical facts?Please share them here.I'm interested in reading!

Edited by Cool-n-Fresh - 12 years ago

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Posted: 12 years ago

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Originally posted by: Cool-n-Fresh

Nice spiritual interpretation Surya_Krsnbhakt👏

Do you think of any events as plain allegory and not connected with historical facts?Please share them here.I'm interested in reading!

Call me Surya.

I don't have anything in mind.

I think basically everything includes both historical and allegorical facts. There is no incident with only one of these. At least in PUranas.

Why did you change your username?