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Vrish

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Posted: 14 years ago

#31

Which was the cool question - the Indra vs Surya one, or the Krishna one?

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Janaki

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Posted: 14 years ago

#32

Hmm, you guys have a point...I guess we need a DT first before deciding anything, but for some reason our forum doesn't have one yet.😕

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Vrish

@Vr15h

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Posted: 14 years ago

#33

Originally posted by: lola610
^^ yeah exactly, random curiosities that probably have one concrete answer would go in this thread. Where there's room for debate, there's an idea for a whole thread. I personally think almost all our stickies right now deserve to be imp topics but guess we can figure that our later. Cool question btw, I too wanna know why :S

So now that you are the DT, let us know whatever you decide. My only opinion - if you decide on multiple threads, like the who, what, when... make them permanent in the announcements section. Otherwise, just have a single 'Doubts & Discussions' thread in the Announcements section, and leave it there. If a topic is broad enough, one can always open a new thread!

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Janaki

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Posted: 14 years ago

#34

Originally posted by: _Vrish_

So now that you are the DT, let us know whatever you decide. My only opinion - if you decide on multiple threads, like the who, what, when... make them permanent in the announcements section. Otherwise, just have a single 'Doubts & Discussions' thread in the Announcements section, and leave it there. If a topic is broad enough, one can always open a new thread!

I'm all for the single 'Doubts and Discussions' thread...having too many for each category of question would make too many threads and the forum would look crowded.

Yeah, broad topics can have separate threads devoted to them, so it shouldn't be a problem for the TM to decide.

Edited by JanakiRaghunath - 14 years ago

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MagadhSundari

@MagadhSundari

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Posted: 14 years ago

#35

Ok, single sticky thread it is!
The TM (Vrish, wanna do the honors since you did it at RF?) can just include the following in the first post:
1) links to the two predecessors from RF,
2) an explanation of the types of doubts that belong in this thread versus those that are more interpretive and deserve their own thread
3) how about a rule on not dissing sources? I know that we have members from a lot of diverse regional backgrounds and sects/schools of philosophy... all of which hold different variations of of the same scriptures in the highest regard - so I think some sort of rule about finding sources that might resolve a particular doubt, but not commenting on their authenticity (or lack thereof) as that might offend someone who's of a sect that relies on that particular text, off-the-way as it might be. What do you guys think?

Edited by lola610 - 14 years ago

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Semanti Chakraborty

@DharmaPriyaa

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Posted: 14 years ago

#36

Very well said Lola! I'm def in it! Liked the 3rd point you gave.

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Vrish

@Vr15h

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Posted: 14 years ago

#37

Lola

I'll get to it. Points 1 & 2 are not difficult.

On #3 (you really know me well by now 😆) I am okay w/ not dissing sources, but there is a caveat here. Your suggestion seems to imply an equivalence b/w all versions of any story - something I've never agreed w/. For instance, if one looks @ the Ramayan as a fairy tale, then it's legitimate to say that Valmiki is as good as Vyasa is as good as Kamban is as good as Krittivas is as good as Tulsidas... But if one looks @ it historically and analytically, one will prefer some versions over others for any host of reasons, like the ones that contemporaries are more likely to be historically accurate than those who came millenia later.

Why do I mention this? It's not to be contentious, but rather to point out that different sources sometimes, if not often, have conflicting accounts of several events. According to Valmiki, Sita was left @ his ashram by Lakshman, not merely abandoned in the jungles, as is stated by some of the other accounts and popularly believed. That's a pretty big issue, and not just authenticity, but sometimes integrity of the authors can come into question, like they do w/ the authors of the Ananda Ramayan. Yeah, some of the differences can be trivial, like Sushena being Sugriv's uncle in Valmiki, vs Ravan's physician in Tulsidas. But more often then not, they matter.

So here's what I'd suggest - when providing answers, it will be incumbent on whoever is providing the answer to cite the sources used - be it an original Vyasa, a copy of the Bhagwat Puranas or even an Amar Chitra Katha lying @ home. No need to comment on authenticity of those sources, beyond stating that they are the sources, so long as it doesn't give an impression that the general belief is that all versions are equally authentic.

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MagadhSundari

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Posted: 14 years ago

#38

Yesss, quite the people-reader I am 🤓😆 j/k... I understand and may even agree with your point of view w.r.t. certain texts. So yeah, we should try to preclude subjectivity towards the sources either way, whether it be positive or negative. Question asked, answers found in whatever sources have one, and original poster goes, "ooo, interesting, thanks!" without any one of them saying, "we're all about the source that Post B's answer came from at my house, it's the word of God - who cares that it was written yesterday - that's the one I'll go with!" Nor will there be any "the author of the source that Post C's answer came from was all hopped up on Soma while writing it, def not falling for that one!" Of course, you will find a more concise and sophisticated way to convey all that when you make the thread than I just did since I'm simultaneously working on a research proposal... I trust you 😆 That sound ok?

Edited by lola610 - 14 years ago

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Janaki

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Posted: 14 years ago

#39

Great points, Lola! I agree with all three.

I also agree with Vrish's point...there are some versions out there that have Ram asking Lakshman to kill Sita in the forests, and then bring her ear as proof or something. While I am generally liberal with diifferent and even conflciting sources, I am not that liberal.🤢 So I don't think it is necessary for people to agree that all sources are equal or anything, and they should be allowed to discuss why they believe in some sources over others, but the only thing that should be restricted is the bashing of any source. Bashing in general is prohibited on IF, so that shouldn't be a hard rule to follow.

I remember we had some interesting Valmiki vs. Tulsidas discussions in RF before, so as long as everyone respects each other's views, there's no reason that we should restrict source comparisons.

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MagadhSundari

@MagadhSundari

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Posted: 14 years ago

#40

If comparison entails objectively mentioning all the different variations of the story that are out there and comparing how alike/different they are, I'm all for it. But the "why I believe more in this source than that part"... it brings to mind specific concerns related to specific members, can't elaborate here, but for that reason I'm a bit apprehensive about us going in that more subjective direction. I guess we can put the simple "no bashing sources" in as the rule and then I'll decide on a case-to-case basis, whether something comes across as offensive/overly gushy or not?

Edited by lola610 - 14 years ago

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