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kggk_fan01

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Posted: 18 years ago

Hello Everyone!

Welcome to the 4^th round of judge vs judge

This weeks debaters are:

Anu Malik: Teardrops

Alisha Chinoi: xaphan

Udit Narayan: *Ajju*

Javed Akhtar: atria

Briefing on how this will go on:

- Each round 4 members will debate on one topic.
- We wil have weekly winner among the 4 Judges.
- By the time we end 7 rounds, the Judge who wins most weekly rounds will be the season winner for J VS J

Few rules:

No personal attacks.

No attacking the Judges/Hosts/Contestants

ONLY THE 4 DEBATERS CAN COMMENT ON THE TOPIC!!

Rest of the members can ROOT for the person who you want to win the debate but you cannot join in the debate.

This weeks topic is:

Are the controversial scenes shown for Trp purposes or is it just part of reality shows and they happen for real!

For the Score Board and Debator's List vist this link: https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/indian-idol-6/617953/score-board-debaters-list-j-vs-j

Well, have fun debating!

-II3 Dev Team

Edited by srk_lover - 18 years ago

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buttercup

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Posted: 18 years ago

go javed ji gooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 😛 😃 👏

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anonmember

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Posted: 18 years ago

Who won round 3?

Go JA team! 👏 👏

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Knicks420

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Posted: 18 years ago

go anu malik teammmmmm 👏 👏 👏

we didnt even get results for round 3 yet though and round 4 has already started 😆

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Iqra

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Posted: 18 years ago

^^ yeh we did 😳
woohhh lets go Anu Malik'z teardrop
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193980

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Posted: 18 years ago

Go Anu Malik 👏👏. We need to win this.😳

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anonmember

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Posted: 18 years ago

Where is everyone?
Start the debate 😊
Go atria ! 👏 👏 👏

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atria

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Posted: 18 years ago

I'm on Javed saab's team.😊

Reality shows thrive on controversies. If necessary, they cook up fake controversies to hold public interest. Often the scenes are heavily edited, so that a small argument can look like a full-blown war. Sometimes, only one side of a story is shown before the public votings, which influences the results, and after voting the full story is revealed. Sometimes the advertisements show people crying or screaming, and when the actual program airs, it is shown to be some minor incident. The channel or producer does this, obviously, because
a) It keeps the viewers hooked to the show for each and every episode, so more TRPs.
b) Peoples voting patterns often depend on these incidents, so they can make more money out of sms's by projecting a contestant as a villain (rude/arrogant to judges or fellow contestants) or as a victim (anyone who gets harsh comments from judges).

The pity is that the public gets swayed by the emotional incidents and votes accordingly. Here I would put the blame squarely on the public. The channel is out to make money, but why does the public support the channel? Time and again, a good contestant has been thrown out because of some unsavoury incident (later shown to be partially true, or untrue) on the show. What is worse, people have voted in average contestants because they feel pity for them, and as a result, lost out on the good, but low-profile contestants. Every time there is a controversy, TRPs raise dramatically. If the public didn't show these behaviour patterns, the channel would stop trying to create false controversies. So the onus is on the public to realize that how a contestant behaves, walks, dreams etc is secondary. Whether he is faking some behaviour or not, whether he is a good person or not is also not so important. The primary criteria for voting in a show like II should be the talent as a singer. If the people realize this, toh channels apne aap yeh dramabazi bandh kar dengi.

Edited by atria - 18 years ago

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Hunyum

@xaphan

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Posted: 18 years ago

hello...nice discussion...well plus side for me as i ahev discussed dis b4 in my skewl dayz....just to notify...i am in Alisha's team...

ok so the TRP problem.Well TRPs are a necessity for any reality show. Without TRPs, the shows will be able to earn nothing.And to increase the TRP rates, the only thing that can be done is to raise controversial subjects, scenes etc. As we have seen in the few episodes of II, in the theatre rounds, mostly controversial scenes or singers were shown. They didnot who the singers who got good comments or were praised. They were just passed by.
Well ofcourse they already know who is chose for the piano round and who is not. To get higher TRPs, they show the most controversial or emotional singers. This way people will vote more in the following rounds.
TRPs can be give the name 'Schadenfreude'. It means 'pleasure taken from someone else's misfortune or shameful joy'. For them showing someone else's 'misfortune'increases the TRPs. And TRPs can be linked to the number of SMSs they get. Money is a major factor. FOr them, anyone who can get higher TRPs can also will also get higher number of SMS's thus benifiting them in everyway.

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atria

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Posted: 18 years ago

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Originally posted by: xaphan
hello...nice discussion...well plus side for me as i ahev discussed dis b4 in my skewl dayz....just to notify...i am in Alisha's team...

ok so the TRP problem.Well TRPs are a necessity for any reality show. Without TRPs, the shows will be able to earn nothing.And to increase the TRP rates, the only thing that can be done is to raise controversial subjects, scenes etc. As we have seen in the few episodes of II, in the theatre rounds, mostly controversial scenes or singers were shown. They didnot who the singers who got good comments or were praised. They were just passed by.
Well ofcourse they already know who is chose for the piano round and who is not. To get higher TRPs, they show the most controversial or emotional singers. This way people will vote more in the following rounds.
TRPs can be give the name 'Schadenfreude'. It means 'pleasure taken from someone else's misfortune or shameful joy'. For them showing someone else's 'misfortune'increases the TRPs. And TRPs can be linked to the number of SMSs they get. Money is a major factor. FOr them, anyone who can get higher TRPs can also will also get higher number of SMS's thus benifiting them in everyway.

But the question is-- are the controversies real or not? If there are controversies and the producer just chooses to highlight it, that is one thing. But mostly the controversies seem to be either small things blown out of proportion, or sometimes, fake. How ethical is it to come up with fake controversies? Sure, the primary aim is to make money, but generating controversies where there aren't any seems a bit too much.

Example : Amey's comments on Ravi in TakaTak in II2. It was shown that he criticized Ravi, and immiediately people started saying he's too arrogant etc. It turned out that they showed only half the conversation, Amey listed Ravi's weak AND strong points, the strong points part was conveniently left out so that there was a controversy.
Now how ethical is that?

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