Judges Should Not be Shocked !!

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neelpankh

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Posted: 15 years ago

If judges are surprised and pained at Shashi's elimination why was their veeto power not invoked ?

This is the same audience that made Anu Malik what he is today - so what is he cribbing about ?

TIA may not be the best singer in the top 10 but she has been wrongly belittled by Sunidhi Chauhan and also her co contestants. This is inexcusable - Judges should encourage participants to bring out the best in them rather than cut them down.

This is a TV reality show not a radio programme. Audience votes with their ears, eyes, hearts and minds and that is why TIA gets a huge number of votes. Now If only the judges stop playing favorites will the audience vote as it should.

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xobile

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Posted: 15 years ago

If judges are surprised and pained at Shashi's elimination why was their veeto power not invoked ?

Because they know that other good singers are also under danger from the audience's baises, e.g. Shivam. They'd probably rather save their veto for later in the game.

This is the same audience that made Anu Malik what he is today - so what is he cribbing about ?

No this is not the audience that made Anu Malik. The audience that made Anu Malik/Sunidhi Chauhan/Salim Merchant are the music lovers who go out and buy CD's and casettes or download songs. That is how all three of these have been top-selling artists.

But the audience that kicks out Shashi but keeps Tia is just a voting audience. Once Indian Idol is over, what happens to their support? Why have none of the winners (except the first, Abhijeet) not realeased a single successful album? What happened to all that support that won them II? The fact is, those who vote in the show are not the same music lovers that go and make musicians successful.

TIA may not be the best singer in the top 10 but she has been wrongly belittled by Sunidhi Chauhan and also her co contestants. This is inexcusable - Judges should encourage participants to bring out the best in them rather than cut them down.

Wrongly belittled? She was told that her sur was bad. Which is true. And that too on the easiest of songs. In fact, you can see a growing frustration on the judges' part as Tia keeps progressing in the competition, but shows no improvement in sur/throw/range. Instead of improving, or promising to improve, Tia just comes up with excuses.

This is a TV reality show not a radio programme. Audience votes with their ears, eyes, hearts and minds and that is why TIA gets a huge number of votes. Now If only the judges stop playing favorites will the audience vote as it should.

What do you mean? The judges love all the contestants. They brought these contestants to the gala. But that doesn't mean they won't criticise bad singing. Especially when the singing is consistently bad.

And what does 'audience vote as it should' - are you accepting that the audience is not, as of now, voting as it should?

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neelpankh

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Posted: 15 years ago

No this is not the audience that made Anu Malik. The audience that made Anu Malik/Sunidhi Chauhan/Salim Merchant are the music lovers who go out and buy CD's and casettes or download songs. That is how all three of these have been top-selling artists.

But the audience that kicks out Shashi but keeps Tia is just a voting audience. Once Indian Idol is over, what happens to their support? Why have none of the winners (except the first, Abhijeet) not realeased a single successful album? What happened to all that support that won them II? The fact is, those who vote in the show are not the same music lovers that go and make musicians successful.

Your argument does not make sense. How can you say that the audience which votes for idol contestants does not go out and buy CDs or download music - music lovers are music lovers.

Wrongly belittled? She was told that her sur was bad. Which is true. And that too on the easiest of songs. In fact, you can see a growing frustration on the judges' part as Tia keeps progressing in the competition, but shows no improvement in sur/throw/range. Instead of improving, or promising to improve, Tia just comes up with excuses.

Exactly wrongly belittled by Sunidhi Chauhan and ganged up against by all the contestants. Mr Pyre Lal was all praise for her performance before this episode. Several other contestants loose their sur as well but they are not cut down like Tia was. Tia did not give an excuse she gave an honest reason - there is a difference.

What do you mean? The judges love all the contestants. They brought these contestants to the gala. But that doesn't mean they won't criticise bad singing. Especially when the singing is consistently bad.

And what does 'audience vote as it should' - are you accepting that the audience is not, as of now, voting as it should?

Well if Judges love all the participants equally they should have given the motor bike to Swaroop when he did so well during the episode when Pritam was present. Pritam even wanted to do a studio recording with him. They obviously don't want to let him have the bike. Odd I think.

I Think Sunidhin Chauhan has single handedly killed Tia's confidence. And yes the audience is not voting as it should because one tends to vote against unfair criticism and support the singer who has been wronged and thus votes get fragmented. If Sunidhi does not even out her response, Tia might reach the top 4 - she may not deserve to be there but that is the way it is going to work out.
And the judges won't be able to do a diddle about it. The onus, therefore, for fair play is in the hands of the judges.

Won't be surprised if Jerry Mouse is eliminated in the next 2 galas!

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neha

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Posted: 15 years ago

hey.....thizz izz absolutly correct that tia is not a good singer!!.......she izz not geeting votes because ov her singing ..jst because ov her family and the ppl where she lives want thier city girl to win..!!

and..judges say rite by saying the things what you have4 menssioned that sundhi saya's...it is correct cuz she is jst pointing out her main problems....and that izz not incorrect...sry to say but i hate tia!!....she does not deserve to stay!!!....

(no offence to any 1)

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xobile

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Posted: 15 years ago

No this is not the audience that made Anu Malik. The audience that made Anu Malik/Sunidhi Chauhan/Salim Merchant are the music lovers who go out and buy CD's and casettes or download songs. That is how all three of these have been top-selling artists.

But the audience that kicks out Shashi but keeps Tia is just a voting audience. Once Indian Idol is over, what happens to their support? Why have none of the winners (except the first, Abhijeet) not realeased a single successful album? What happened to all that support that won them II? The fact is, those who vote in the show are not the same music lovers that go and make musicians successful.

Your argument does not make sense. How can you say that the audience which votes for idol contestants does not go out and buy CDs or download music - music lovers are music lovers.

Why is it that people like Qazi Touqeer, Prashant Tamang, Sourabhee Debbarama haven't produced a single successful album despite the groundswell of support they enjoyed in their respective reality shows? Sure, they didn't get any offers from Bollywood because learned music directors didn't feel the need to use their voices. But when they made their private albums, too, they failed. What happened to all that suport then?

Of course, people who vote in II also go and buy music. Those people who are voting for Tia are looking at all sorts of factors like looks/sympathy/improvement as well as music. But the people who made Anu Malik or Salim Merchant didn't buy the 'Main Hoon Na' album because of sympathy, and they didn't buy the 'Fashion' album because of Salim's good looks. When voting in reality shows, people have a different mentality to when they buy music. Anu Malik became successful because his music was popular, Tia is getting success (on II5) because of things other than music.

Wrongly belittled? She was told that her sur was bad. Which is true. And that too on the easiest of songs. In fact, you can see a growing frustration on the judges' part as Tia keeps progressing in the competition, but shows no improvement in sur/throw/range. Instead of improving, or promising to improve, Tia just comes up with excuses.

Exactly wrongly belittled by Sunidhi Chauhan and ganged up against by all the contestants. Mr Pyre Lal was all praise for her performance before this episode. Several other contestants loose their sur as well but they are not cut down like Tia was. Tia did not give an excuse she gave an honest reason - there is a difference.

She consistently gives bad performances, out of sur, sometimes even out of taal, lacking in energy or throw. If she sang well and was still criticised, then yes, I would agree she is being ganged up on. But after giving bad performances consistently (I agree the Pyarelal performance wasn't bad), she should expect criticism.

The actual, honest reason why Tia messes up during the galas is that she has a weak command over sur, and as a young singer, she lacks the training and experience required to give better performances.

What do you mean? The judges love all the contestants. They brought these contestants to the gala. But that doesn't mean they won't criticise bad singing. Especially when the singing is consistently bad.

And what does 'audience vote as it should' mean - are you accepting that the audience is not, as of now, voting as it should?

Well if Judges love all the participants equally they should have given the motor bike to Swaroop when he did so well during the episode when Pritam was present. Pritam even wanted to do a studio recording with him. They obviously don't want to let him have the bike. Odd I think.

Shashi's 'O Meri Jaan' was fabulous and fully deserved the bike. Swaroop, not so much.

I Think Sunidhin Chauhan has single handedly killed Tia's confidence. And yes the audience is not voting as it should because one tends to vote against unfair criticism and support the singer who has been wronged and thus votes get fragmented. If Sunidhi does not even out her response, Tia might reach the top 4 - she may not deserve to be there but that is the way it is going to work out.
And the judges won't be able to do a diddle about it. The onus, therefore, for fair play is in the hands of the judges.

I can see why the audience might vote for Tia. They're emotional and they feel sympathetic when Tia gets told off by the judges. So she gets support.

But as you yourself have said, the audience is not voting as it should, and that Tia does not deserve to reach top 4.

You can't blame the judges. Tia's lacklustre performances get her bad comments from the judges. THAT's the judges job - to criticise what is wrong. And if your sur is wrong, you will be criticised, just the way Bhoomi was critcised by Sunidhi or Swaroop by Salim.

Now, if the audience wants to vote based on sympathy and not on music, it is not the judges' fault.

Won't be surprised if Jerry Mouse is eliminated in the next 2 galas!

Neither would I. I agree with you that the audience votes emotionally/sympathetically and not musically. By that logic, Tia will go far and Shivam might lose out.

Edited by xobile - 15 years ago

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