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Posted: 1 years ago

Phew...such interesting and insightful discussions!! I agree. We are having quality discussions on this thread.


I am unable to respond point by point so I'll just address the overarching theme...


Agastya is not wrong in not trusting Imlie...I get it..and I agree..even today, I felt soo bad for him...the way daadi put all the blame on him, I don't blame him for wanting to throw Imlie out...I just feel the continuous insults are unnecessary and that's what he should be sorry for... I agree, the insults are extra and leave a bad taste. I'm done with hearing the terms bar girl and bazaru. Agastya will have a big redemption for all these things dekh lena.

this blaming Imlie for agreeing to do contract marriage while he himself came up with that idea and is part of the plan is not acceptable...If he thinks there was no other option for him but to do contract marriage, he should think, at least now, that there has to be a reason Imlie did the marriage too... He asked her twice the reasons but she didn't tell him. Why will he think that she has some majboori and she's not just finding an easier way out to make money. See Imlie is different but there are people who would do a contract marriage just coz it gives them an opportunity to earn quick bucks.

he doesn't need to know the exact reason, he just needs to internalize that if Imlie needs money, that's ok and that's part of the deal and not sunao her every now and then about her bikauness... The thing is he did this again when her behavior has hurt his family. When Imlie knows he is under this misconception why not clarify her reasons and set the record straight. There is literally no logical reason why she kept this from Agastya after the progress both have made.

Imlie also doesn't fully know Agastya's backstory...she only knows bits and pieces about Dhanraj...also she only came to know about Agastya's past bcz of the incidents that happened in front of her, bcs she was living in the same house...Agastya never actively went and told her all his secrets... I don't think Dhanraj wala backstory is as important to Agastya ki overall personality compared to his parents ka scandal and his illegitimacy. The point is not how Imlie got to know the information. That is irrelevant. The most important thing is she knows. That's why she can understand him better and trust him better. Does Agastya have that chance? If he knows everything about her and then doesn't trust her, I will point out too. No one pointed out the fact that Agastya took her stand despite being proved a liar and Karan even taunted him for that. Right now with the limited contrary information he has and what he knows, he's not able to trust her. Even if Agastya gets to know her truth (from any other way), he will be more trusting towards her. So the way they get to know doesn't matter as much as knowing the truth. The whole point is (till the truth is out), Agastya is stuck between two sides and whichever side he doesn't choose will be disappointed with him.

yes, he confided in Imlie AFTER the secrets were out, by some other means... He confided in her his innermost feelings when he was in pain. Has Agastya shared this with anyone else in his house(?) I guess not. Just because the secret was out doesn't change the fact that his feelings were something that were private to him and no one else knew.

so its a bit unfair to expect Imlie to actively tell her life story to Agastya, specially when time and again Agastya rubs it on her face that he thinks she is bikau...also when Agastya has asked about Imlie's past, they weren't always on the best of the terms and so she couldn't reveal everything to him apart from the fact that she was majboor...you're mistaken here. Agastya has twice asked her about her past, once after the goon attack when she came back home and both were in some sort of truce situation. At that time she needed more money for Ashu so she lied to him that she needs money in exchange for him putting her life in danger. Then again in yesterday's episode he asked her because he wanted to trust her and give her a chance to explain. Why is it unfair to expect her to reveal her story to Agastya? It's the same man jisko save karne ke liye she got blackmailed, the same man she came running to save from the goons without caring for the safety. These are all contrary actions. Imlie can do so many things for him and his family but can't tell him the truth? What will happen after he gets to know the truth? Give me one logical reason what's the downside to telling him the truth.


Imlie is expecting Agastya to trust her over his own family when everyone heard what Mami was planning to do and the fact that Imlie was proved to be a liar. Yeh kaisi expectations hai Agastya se without her trusting him with just her majboori. The point is Agastya not knowing her past puts him in a disadvantageous position when you compare it to her situation with him.


Like today, his decision to end the marriage, I don't have any problems with it...I understand where he is coming from and support him but yesterday, feeling like he is giving Imlie a chance when he had already kind of decided she is to be blamed...after all that has happened between them...he ought to have done a bit better...like not even fully support her, but at least don't insult her...if he had only said..I am very confused bcz I want to trust you but can't bcz of all the circumstantial evidences..that would have been acceptable... He still gave her a chance to explain and she again for whatever reasons told him she's majboori. What is he supposed to do then? The whole family heard what the Mami was supposed to do and there is Karan on the other side, his innocent brother. If you are saying due to everything that has happened between them he should trust her (over his brother), why not have the same expectation from Imlie to come clean about her majboori. Why is she right in this situation and given a clean chit?


She has literally nothing to lose by telling him the truth but the moment he stands by Imlie without proof, he will have to explain to his family why. Why didn't Imlie tell him - Babu give me some time to prove myself? She directly expects him to trust her without proof?


Anyway...did anyone notice that he took Imlie's hand today for consolation...when he was crying outside dadi's room...somewhere he still needs her...poor guy has noone but Imlie to put a hand on his shoulder...and he very well took it...it was only when his brain told his heart that he can't melt down that he took her to the room and began all the bashing!!


Oh and I loved that Sonali was the one to come to know about Imlie's wedding absence...I really don't want Sonali to turn negative..she is such a power house as a woman entrepreneur and I would love her and Imlie to team up!! I was happy to see Sonali being so righteous. I want her to team with Agastya and Imlie and save the business.


I didn't like the tone on which the episode ended...after all that has happened, is Imlie really thinking of "Sabak sikhaoing Agastya babu in her own way?" I felt it was some stupid comical prank she wanted to pull off and I really feel this is not the time for it...Agastya is bound to misunderstand her again...


Also, we are back at 24 mins...I guess its part of being a successful show...you have to compensate for other's lackluster performance...


Also special thanks to joliefemme @ for reminding me of all the past incidents where Agastya stood for Imlie...I have to admit I had forgotten at least some of them and it was nice to be reminded about the good timessmiley9



It is sad that Agastya ke actions are subtle and never highlighted as something big or good he's done. Upar se I still feel he hasn't gotten enough chances to go above and beyond to do things for Imlie. A lot of this disparity also stems from the fact that Imlie knows everything about Agastya but he has missing pieces he needs to get to before he can truly fully trust her. Also the fact that he has to chose sides which she doesn't have to

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Posted: 1 years ago

Originally posted by: livelytanu

Sorry boss. Aj main kisiki baat nahi manne wali ho. Agastya was wrong today. No justification there.

He better not utter that shit line anymore. Ab to tumhe main jaanne lagi ho and all that. I could tolerate till that paisa thing. Nothing could justify his kangan chori ilzaam on Imlie. Absolutely NOTHING.


Nothing against Sai. Sai was great. smiley9 My opinion is strictly on the POV of characters


No one is justifying his words or actions here but why isn't anyone pointing out the fact that Imlie is wrong as well. She's hiding her majboori and putting him through so much pain.


Why is it hard to believe this family doubted Imlie after they just heard Mami trying to trap their family for money. Three instances were shown were Mami and Bulbul trying to rob things from the family. It is not entirely illogical.


The only illogical action I currently find is that Imlie is hiding her majboori from Agastya even when she knows he thinks she's a gold digger only due to the fact that he's unaware of this.

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Posted: 1 years ago

Originally posted by: livelytanu

I actually find bar girl Imlie a compliment for her now. Yes, bar girl thi to kya? She could charm others, she has that quality. Chaudhury family mein to sirf accusations khati rehti hain and roti rehti hain. Aur sach saamne aaye to sabke sorry wala drama bhi sehti hain. Chaudhury family mein insaniyat naam ki chees nahi hain. Now that Aashu ke necessities are over, Imlie should get rid of this marriage. Thank less Chachi accusing Imlie of what not when Imlie came back for their sake! Givind and Rajni had a great fall.


What is insaaniyat naam ki cheez? Did Imlie say anything to her Mami who was trying to trap Karan with her schemes? What wrong has the family done? Previously they were hurt about the bar girl truth coz they witnessed their daughter in law sing and dance amidst drunk men. They didn't know her truth and hence the hurt.


This time they all are hurt after she was part of her aunt's conniving ways. Why should Rajni give her a chance after she accused her son of such a big scandal. Matlab Chachi accuse kare toh galat and Imlie galat accuse kare and scheme aur plot kare toh sahi?

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Posted: 1 years ago

Originally posted by: joliefemme


No one is justifying his words or actions here but why isn't anyone pointing out the fact that Imlie is wrong as well. She's hiding her majboori and putting him through so much pain.


Why is it hard to believe this family doubted Imlie after they just heard Mami trying to trap their family for money. Three instances were shown were Mami and Bulbul trying to rob things from the family. It is not entirely illogical.


The only illogical action I currently find is that Imlie is hiding her majboori from Agastya even when she knows he thinks she's a gold digger only due to the fact that he's unaware of this.

Whatever it is nothing justifies the blame of kangan chori on her. And neither she nor her hiding majbori is at fault here.
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Posted: 1 years ago

Originally posted by: joliefemme


What is insaaniyat naam ki cheez? Did Imlie say anything to her Mami who was trying to trap Karan with her schemes? What wrong has the family done? Previously they were hurt about the bar girl truth coz they witnessed their daughter in law sing and dance admits drunk men. They didn't know her truth and hence the hurt.


This time they all are hurt after she was part of her aunt's conniving ways. Why should Rajni give her a chance after she accused her son of such a big scandal. Matlab Chachi accuse kare toh galat and Imlie galat accuse kare and scheme aur plot kare toh sahi?

@ Bold Imlie gave the entire family a chance after whatever they did to her & accepted their meek sorry. But she shouldn't get a chance. She even said sorry. But what she got was a cold attitude. Chalo woh maaf kiya. But they went ahead and accused her of some random theft. Imlie has only given everything to this family but didn't get anything in return except for mental harassment. She came back for Rajni ji only. But looks like Rajni ji has become Gajni. ji.
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Posted: 1 years ago

Originally posted by: livelytanu

Whatever it is nothing justifies the blame of kangan chori on her. And neither she nor her hiding majbori is at fault here.


Did you find Mami at fault for trying to rob this family three times earlier, for trying to trap the son of their house by blaming him for impregnating Bulbul?


Did you find Imlie at fault for not confronting Mami for trying to trap Agastya ki family in a false blame?


Why isn't Imlie at fault here for hiding her majboori? I would love to hear your counter opinions? Kya hai uski majboori that she doesn't want to confide in Agastya? Trust doesn't work one way it works both ways.


Why the one sided blame on Agastya and his family (when none of them know the truth) and giving a complete clean chit to Imlie and hers?

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Posted: 1 years ago

Originally posted by: livelytanu

@ Bold Imlie gave the entire family a chance after whatever they did to her & accepted their meek sorry. But she shouldn't get a chance. She even said sorry. But what she got was a cold attitude. Chalo woh maaf kiya. But they went ahead and accused her of some random theft. Imlie has only given everything to this family but didn't get anything in return except for mental harassment. She came back for Rajni ji only. But looks like Rajni ji has become Gajni. ji.


Imlie doesn't have 2 sides to choose here? So her situation and the situation of this family isn't the same.


Imlie giving a chance to this family wasn't a big deal according to me. They were under a genuine misunderstanding which she herself had not cleared. Had they known everything and then mocked her or not accepted her, it would have been justified.


Imlie confessed before the family she married Agastya for money and had ulterior motives. Her whole family was involved in 3 thefts previously. Mami confessed to wanting to trap Karan for money/ greed. How will they know she was lying and why she did what she did unless she comes clean? Does this family have superpowers to understand her majboori?


Imlie has accused the son of their house who everyone believes in. Her Mami was wanting to blame Karan as the baby daddy to get their property etc. This is mental harassment as well as cheating against the Chaudhary family as well. Which mother will sit and listen to people blame her innocent son for a crime he didn't commit.


If Rajni sides with Karan after the full truth is out then blame her. We should not judge the characters based on the truths we know but they don't.

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Posted: 1 years ago

I think we are not getting each other's point. Lets just respectfully agree to disagree. Nothing can change my stance. As a viewer I do feel that Chaudhury family are thankless. And whatever they are doing is pure mental torture to Imlie. Nothing, nothing, nothing. & I can add numerous nothing can justify the theft blame. They blamed her because they wanted some sadistic pleasure by torturing Imlie. No past record, no present, no future record can justify what they made Imlie go through today. This is what I feel as a viewer & it remains unchanged. Dusron ka alag opinion ho sakta hain but mera yehi rahega.

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Posted: 1 years ago

Originally posted by: livelytanu

I think we are not getting each other's point. Lets just respectfully agree to disagree. Nothing can change my stance. As a viewer I do feel that Chaudhury family are thankless. And whatever they are doing is pure mental torture to Imlie. Nothing, nothing, nothing. & I can add numerous nothing can justify the theft blame. They blamed her because they wanted some sadistic pleasure by torturing Imlie. No past record, no present, no future record can justify what they made Imlie go through today. This is what I feel as a viewer & it remains unchanged. Dusron ka alag opinion ho sakta hain but mera yehi rahega.


If you would explain your stance to us, may be I'd be able to understand better. From where I stand, I see nothing wrong with what the Chaudhary family is feeling at this moment. They have very limited information and a lot at stake to side with Imlie who by hiding the truth isn't helping matters.


Did you see the family gloat after blaming Imlie about the jewellery? There was no sadistic pleasure involved unless there was something I missed. Ofcourse I won't add Alka to the mix, she was definitely trying to cause issues.


I don't agree with the extreme they've gone through and it is difficult for me to watch as well but Imlie ki family are cheats and thieves and nothing (* infinity) changes this.


Atleast Agastya ki family is under a genuine misconception and aren't aware of the full truth and will genuinely be apologetic when the truth is out, what is Mami ka excuse? Greed? Will she ever be apologetic for trying to fleece this family for her own ulterior motives?

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Posted: 1 years ago

Originally posted by: livelytanu

I think we are not getting each other's point. Lets just respectfully agree to disagree. Nothing can change my stance. As a viewer I do feel that Chaudhury family are thankless. And whatever they are doing is pure mental torture to Imlie. Nothing, nothing, nothing. & I can add numerous nothing can justify the theft blame. They blamed her because they wanted some sadistic pleasure by torturing Imlie. No past record, no present, no future record can justify what they made Imlie go through today. This is what I feel as a viewer & it remains unchanged. Dusron ka alag opinion ho sakta hain but mera yehi rahega.


I don’t think Chaudary family are getting sadistic pleasure by torturing Imlie. This house lost Kunal and Dhanraj after they fell in love with girls of poor families but still they gave chance to Imlie and accepted her. The problem happened when Imlie accused Karan of misleading her sister and bulbul denied it in front of everyone. And then the whole family heard Mami wanting Karan to take responsibility of the child. Arey why would they do that ? We can agree to disagree here.

If tomorrow everyone comes to know that the girl Dhanraj loved also died and she gave birth to Ashu and then the family rejects the child because of his belongings then we can fault Chaudary family. If they accepted Agastya they would accept Ashu too.

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