Finally....makers have touched Aryan and I am glad they did - Page 3

Originally posted by: Enlightened21

You don't know how much I was 🥳today, watching this negative shade of Aryan and Fahmaan has given a brilliant performance today, starting from the moment he was on record with Madhav till the end of the episode. I am sure, as an actor he would have enjoyed these scenes to the core, because it was not an easy task to display various emotions of being helpless at times to control himself, being in pain and being furious, within a period of few seconds/minutes. Loved to watch this Villain Singh Rathore today after almost 1month of Majnu Singh Rathore.

I won't get into another literature type answer though I am tempted to. 🤣 however, I really don't understand the viewers mindset who think villains, grey characters, anti-heroes are some sort of downgrade or bad thing. whenever I see such comments ... 🤦😂

without the villains, the antagonists, the anti-heroes, the stories won't exist! it only bothers me when a character turns negative if the progression wasn't written well and had logical loopholes. so I am more annoyed about the loopholes rather than a character turning negative. otherwise, as far as I am concerned, that is just part of storytelling -- an essential part of stories.

I do wonder if my view is because I grew up on japanese animes as opposed to american cartoons which have more simple black and white kind of storytelling. anime for whatever reason have very complex villains -- often they are villains only because they are on the wrong side but genuinely belive they are doing the right thing. even in children's anime, it is very complex stories.

that kind of complexity, the modality of a villain -- that requires fantastic acting chops to pull off in a drama. so if FK is given that platter, that is a challenge to his acting. actors who want to stretch their range and show off their range of expressions and to show different facets will always take it on.

I also believe that as human beings we are flawed. when I see dramas with this perfect character, it just makes me eye roll. in real life, even if we are good, there will be times when we act stupid, negative and outright evil. we are all capable of doing bad things. that is humanity. so why can't dramas show mutlifaceted character with pluses and minuses? with flaws and bad decision making?? that is life. that is how you get 100+ episodes!

Originally posted by: mango.falooda

I won't get into another literature type answer though I am tempted to. 🤣 however, I really don't understand the viewers mindset who think villains, grey characters, anti-heroes are some sort of downgrade or bad thing. whenever I see such comments ... 🤦😂

without the villains, the antagonists, the anti-heroes, the stories won't exist! it only bothers me when a character turns negative if the progression wasn't written well and had logical loopholes. so I am more annoyed about the loopholes rather than a character turning negative. otherwise, as far as I am concerned, that is just part of storytelling -- an essential part of stories.

I do wonder if my view is because I grew up on japanese animes as opposed to american cartoons which have more simple black and white kind of storytelling. anime for whatever reason have very complex villains -- often they are villains only because they are on the wrong side but genuinely belive they are doing the right thing. even in children's anime, it is very complex stories.

that kind of complexity, the modality of a villain -- that requires fantastic acting chops to pull off in a drama. so if FK is given that platter, that is a challenge to his acting. actors who want to stretch their range and show off their range of expressions and to show different facets will always take it on.

I also believe that as human beings we are flawed. when I see dramas with this perfect character, it just makes me eye roll. in real life, even if we are good, there will be times when we act stupid, negative and outright evil. we are all capable of doing bad things. that is humanity. so why can't dramas show mutlifaceted character with pluses and minuses? with flaws and bad decision making?? that is life. that is how you get 100+ episodes!

But you missed the main point and wrote an essay. 🤣🤣🤣

On a serious note, I do agree completely to the bolded part. It's only when you don't learn from experiences and evolve as a character that, as a character he/she will be disliked. In that case too, there can be a difference. To me, I dislike both Aditya and Malini's character because they never learned & evolved. Yet, I have a soft corner for Malini because I know somewhere she too had been wronged by both the men in her life. I don't have that soft corner for Aditya because, he mostly have been a self-obsessed hypocrite for no reason.

Originally posted by: Enlightened21

But you missed the main point and wrote an essay. 🤣🤣🤣

On a serious note, I do agree completely to the bolded part. It's only when you don't learn from experiences and evolve as a character that, as a character he/she will be disliked. In that case too, there can be a difference. To me, I dislike both Aditya and Malini's character because they never learned & evolved. Yet, I have a soft corner for Malini because I know somewhere she too had been wronged by both the men in her life. I don't have that soft corner for Aditya because, he mostly have been a self-obsessed hypocrite for no reason.

kekek.... I haven't seen the episode and so can't comemnt on the main point. 😁

as for characters that don't change, I find them just as interesting -- there was an anime where the villain is on the wrong path and he realizes he has been hoodwinked. when the lead says come back, the villain says "it is too late to go back now" and continues on his madness. so that is how it is with many of these characters that don't change; they don't see any other way out. that makes it interesting to watch as a viewer -- these characters are frustrated, they want a different outcome but they are caught in a loop of continously bad decision making. if we take a step back, there can be life lessons to be learned from such characters.

Originally posted by: Enlightened21

You don't know how much I was 🥳today, watching this negative shade of Aryan and Fahmaan has given a brilliant performance today, starting from the moment he was on record with Madhav till the end of the episode. I am sure, as an actor he would have enjoyed these scenes to the core, because it was not an easy task to display various emotions of being helpless at times to control himself, being in pain and being furious, within a period of few seconds/minutes. Loved to watch this Villain Singh Rathore today after almost 1month of Majnu Singh Rathore.

Posting this here as I enjoyed this part a lot, for the way Fahmaan has acted out the whole scene. On one side I was feeling bad for him seeing the hurt and pain in his eyes, while on the other side I was like Gonchu Baba, ek baar Imlie se poocho before things go out of hand and backfire at you. 😢

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Originally posted by: LoLo

Aryan also warned Imlie that he would do something wrong again, when they were saved from the goons and he encouraged her to leave him then! She should have listened, left him and focused on her career.
I did peek into the pre cap for tomorrow, and for him to say he thinks his child is Madhav’s is lower than even AKT fell. That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. Even his revenge on AKT made sense. He did see him at the scene of Arvind’s murder. This is just plain stupid. He has not checked one fact; instead he is 100% trusting of someone he hasn’t seen since college. And he had the audacity to accuse Imlie of being too trusting!

PS: Having Jo dance in joy while a group of innocent children is shot at is in the poorest of taste considering what we have experienced lately in the US with gun violence, especially against young children. Shame on you makers! End this Jo track now! You cut out a ML and his entire family, but you continue to show this psycho who kills animals and forces a man to shoot at children? This used to be my favorite show; now it disgust me that it’s till on tv!

@ bold :I'm sorry had to budge in. No it is not lower than AKT. He never once doubted his wife is sleeping with someone else nor accused her of infedility. Aryan and Imlie has become victim of circumstances. Aryan is not believing jo but the evidence that are pointing towards the fact that his wife was violated. Aryan got himself tested twice and both the reports declared him infertile. We as audience know that jo changed reports, he doesn't. In this case, first instict of man will be to question his wife. He didn't. Even when jo tried to instill that doubt in his mind , he shut her up saying Imlie is life's truth and she is pure. Then jo presented facts that prove Madhav molested Imlie. He still tried to give benefit of doubt to Madhav. He asked him.about the sting ops night but what does he say he doesn't remember which medicine he gave Imlie. Personally , I.would freak out if this happened with my closed one. He asks Imlie about the night and she says she fell asleep and doesn't remember what happened that night. Analysing everything given his infertility reports, he is right to think that his wife was violated. Imlie's lie aggarvated everything and He still was giving benefit of doubt to madhav but what does the guy say, he likes to touch Imlie . Anyone will loose his temper.This soldified Aryan's thought that madhav is the culprit.

At this point aryan was right ? Now where did he went wrong? In accusing a man publicaly, without talking to his wife first. This was his survivor's guilt, overprotectiveness for Imlie.

In precap, he told Imlie about parentage bcz he believes she was roofed and raped and Imlie doesn't remember the night.

We as audience know none of this happened but not aryan . He can't fell lower than Akt bcz he still is ready to accept child which for him.is sign of his failure to protect his wife's dignity. Only a man with intense love can do this.

It was great actually to watch it on screen

I have to say, today I am scared to watch the episode. If I do then it will be on my head for a while. So please forgive me if I am wrong in what I write without full knowledge.

I am currently trying to make my 7 year old understand that there's no black or white when it comes to people. You have to see the shades of gray. He is slowly getting there. It's rare we get to see this in fictional characters in our culture, although mythical characters have highlighted a lot about flows. I am liking that how makers are trying to keep the character intact and making them flowed at the same time.

I love how the makers have weaved the web here in this track. They have slowly showed the buttons which pushess Aryan, keeping the character intact, portraying the depth of his love. One can only feel for the characters and blame the circumstance. Imilie lying isn't new either, it's not needed but she's impulsive and imatured at times. On the other side she doesn't know what's going behind her back so for her it's a small lie. She's wrong not coming clean after yesterday's episode. She has clues to connect a little of what's bothering Aryan. It's the night and what happened. It should have given her a clue. As much as I hate Aryan for not drawing boundary with Jo, I can't really blame him for hiding the truth. If it's me I would think thousands of time before I utter a word to the spouse who is pregnant. It is Imilie that he needs to speak to, he wouldn't in his dream think of hurting her this way. As easy as it's said to speak the truth it is as hard topic given that she's pregnant. It's indirectly pointing at her character.

Having gone through infertility issues myself, I could say it's a big deal for a man. It's a lot more personal for a man than how a woman perceive. I wanted to say this in one of Mango falooda"s article.

Men don't confide these issues with others as woman does. Personally from my point of view and how I've seen other couples, I felt we woman either talk it out or gather the support from somewhere. Men rarely talk about these issues. They just don't. I was personally hoping if my husband could talk to someone, someone other than me. It was hard that I had to deal with it at the same time needs to balance him out. That's why how Aryan was able to (although not comfortable) talk to Jo and she repeating tum "Bab nai ban Sakti," dialogue irritates me. I was suprised he didn't really snap at her. it's stabbing the wound that he himself just know about and trying to come to term with. That's a trigger she repeatedly used successfully on him, while he is going through his most insecured moment. Remember just a few days ago he was thinking it's Imilie who is infertile and supporting her. He knows what she's been through. In that state of mind, him thinking about Imilie's safety, her wellbeing, being protective of her is brought out well and it's praise worthy. It was easier if the fertility issue was with your spouse, but if it's you then one would normally go into a state of focousing on them, their pain, disbelief, grieve.. It's nice that they are showing how Aryan putting all aside and focousing on Imilie"s wellbeing. I can't imagine a man being this rational with Madav/situation after this. Today's episode seems to have shown that he has given a chance to Madav, it's the circumstances were against. It all came out in the open in the heat of the moment. It does happen in real world. A man not able to protect his wife, dealing with infertility and his promises that he will protect her all gone. It's the frustration whichade him loose his control. It does happen in real world. A guy who kept so much and couldn't control in the heat of the moment. Aryan"s internal termoil wasn't shown through this time to us but he has been going through quite a lot. He was rather focousing on Imilie's turmoil. His mind ought to get clouded. It's easier to culculate something already had happened than to culculate something that is ongoing. At Aravind"s time it was different, he has passed the moment of loss and in return seeking revenge. Easier to be culculative even if his facts are wrong. Here the difference is it's a present situation where he is trying figure out what's happening at the same time dealing with his emotions, fear, insecurities. What I mean is its not conclusive. If the molestation theory is true then he needs to stop it unlike the Aravind's case where it's kind of like punishment time. Easier to culculate. It's normal to be irrational at this time. I am scared for both of them, how they are going to overcome the public. It's not just two of them anymore. I am also scared how makers are going to drive this track.

Same time I don't think Imilie would perceive it the same way . She doesn't know what he felt nor went through. Now it has become more dirty. Especially with the two intimate moves rejected by Aryan yesterday, I am not sure how Imilie would feel. After the Narmada's accusations how Imilie felt she isn't pure, will come haunt her. Waiting to see how the makers are going to deal with the promises made during the confession. Hard task with what has been given.

@Sheen93, I love your analysis It's all in their perspective. How one sees through what they know with their emotional balance.

Agree with Pooja. It's incomparable with Adi"s article. Intentions are different, trust is different, perspective is different. From what I know, I think that article was a form of revenge, where today's was more of protectiveness. Unfortunately both have put Imilie into the bad spot. I think she could take Adi"s , she wasn't surprised at that time but not Aryans this is going to shock her world.

Sorry for the long post.

Thank you Sheen for that reply to LoLo. You have beautifully explained how Aryan's situation is different from AKT's situation. And I would like to add one more point to it. Even if it's to your wife, to share that you are infertile takes immense guts as it's something that questions their identity as a man. Aryan already is under a lots of emotional turmoil; yet he didn't let any of it or his own insecurity prevent him from sharing such a painful thing with Imlie. As he said yesterday, if it was the earlier Aryan, his self respect would have been his priority; but now Imlie and her wellbeing is his priority. And he proves it by not even hesitating for a moment, before sharing his crucial health condition with Imlie (which we know is false; but he believes is true). Coming to AKT, being the self-obsessed person he is, there are high chances that he would have covered up his health condition, even at the cost of tarnishing Imlie's loyalty. That's where the difference lies.

I am glad that cat is out of the bag & Imlie now knows why Aryan was behaving the way he was behaving.. it's similar situation like "Aryan considering AKT responsible for his Jiju's death"

Imlie is going to be hurt and disappointed initially.. but I want her to gather herself and challenge Aryan in his face that he is wrong and his report is wrong and he has targeted an innocent person and find the real truth like she did in Arvind's case for sake of their relationship and innocent Madhav.

To start with she can get DNA test done without informing anyone ??

Originally posted by: SundariP

I agree that him publically accusing madhav for worst crime without concrete proof is wrong.

But it's no where near comparable to obituary writing and slüshaming one's own wife done by akt.

Regarding the parallel between adi-malini court case and madhav being accused of taking advantage of Imlie.

I feel that the stigma around being the victim stops them from seeking justice, the constant fear of ostracization from one's family and society keeps the victim under check, that how the perpetrators walk away without repercussions, free to commit the same crime again.

Now, in this case, we as audience know madhav is innocent and also know that Aryan has no concrete proofs, only doubts and anger hence our sympathy lies with madhav.

But imagine, in a workplace, it's the duty of top management to ensure that no workplace harrassment takes place, and if something like that happens justice is served. From that perspective Aryan is right in questioning madhav when something like this comes to this notic.

The wrong part here, is lack of proofs and not giving madhav a fair chance, which he would have given if it weren't for all other circumstances (like imlie being the perceived victim, his own confusion about infertility-pregnancy, the lies of imlie-madhav about that night among others.)

I agree to what you said. AKT deliberately slu* shamed his then wife but ASR did that unknowingly.

Having said that I do feel Aryan’s way of handling the sensitive issue publicly wasn’t right. This was about the dignity of his wife and an employee of his organization.

Yes, workplace harassment happens but they are dealt very very sensitively. I remember a case we had at our workplace. A female subordinate did complain about the male boss to the HR. No one of us had a clue that this happened unless some of us ladies had 1:1 with HR in very confidential way if we faced any such situation working with him. We were categorically told this is very sensitive information and will be taken very seriously if we speak about this discussion in public. We were not told the name of the complainer. The male boss was asked to resign immediately after i am believing they got confirmation from other female employees but not a word in public. No one ever knew what happened. He wasn’t allowed to serve notice too but the investigation was conducted thoroughly.

Aryan’s way of handling the issue was very unprofessional.