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Posted: 4 years ago
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I dont know whether this topic has been discussed here or not. As I joined forum quite late. But this thing was going on my mind for few days.

n what triggered me to think in this way was to that whenever Adi used to remember about forced marriage.. he always had a flash of men holding guns around him during wedding ceremony but never about why they arrived at that point.

Why do you think Adi didn't tell about forced marriage to family and Malini after returning?

Bcoz if that marriage didnt mean anything for him n according him was illegal still why he didnt do it. It would have solved all his miseries instantly.

I feel regardless of how angry, bitter he felt bcoz of all the happenings but subconsciously I think he couldnt deny that he has got married n this marriage is real. Even if he felt that it was against his will still he did feel responsible for her. Somewhere in back of his mind... subconsciously..he knew that the truth is he is married to her but conciously was in denial bcoz for him his truth was he has promised his family and Malini that he is marrying Malini. N being a honest n righteous man that he is...He didnt want to dishonor his that promise n faith which his family n Malini had in him. n his truth abt him being married to imlie was pushed by his subconscious mind.

I am not saying he did that knowingly.. but there are ways we human deals with our distressing experiences/mental trauma.

Because it might be forced but Imlie agreed ro marry to save him n also requested him to go along to save his life. His conscious mind...he got an excuse this marriage is forced n invalid so he can fulfill his previous commitments. I know CVS didnt explore it or neither shown it to us clearly....

But the scenes like him going back to ngo..... addressing her as his wife, even him looking at some pics on camera once... made me just wonder...

Other thing he never pondered or remembered the moments when Imlie came running n saved him from getting attacked by putting her hand. why? would it make him guilty? would it question his concious thinking whether that marriage is really forced for him?..sorry forced may be not right word...Invalid...Is this marriage is really invalid for him?

Would come later add more thoughts which are running in my mind.. sorry I am not that good in putting thoughts on paper

would like to know your thoughts...

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Well I feel you are correct here.. His conscience was not allowing him to move forward with the marriage with Malini. There was a scene right before AM marriage where he was contemplating why his steps were feeling heavier each time he advanced towards Malini. After the marriage he dismissed it as his sense of responsibility for Imlie but then later he realised he had been developing feelings all along.

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Lovely analysis - I've wondered on that myself several times. Also a lot of the initial episodes show him having a more than casual interest in Imlie, The way he wanted to capture every moment of hers and how he got her to spend the day with him to take him to Chandu and the man milan - the way he looked at her dancing in the rain.

Subconsciously there was a connect of some kind and associated sense of responsibility and guilt. But in all subsequent dialogues 'naa chahthe hua' etc...- the makers after showing us these scenes don't acknowledge in dialog what they showed...maybe because it does see like Adi had a sub-conscious leaning to honor his forced marriage and there was some spark between the two. That would be at odds with his commitment to Malini then.

Maybe once Adilie really become one - he may introspect openly...and realize. I would like to see this scene with Imlie.

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: Loony_lovegood

Well I feel you are correct here.. His conscience was not allowing him to move forward with the marriage with Malini. There was a scene right before AM marriage where he was contemplating why his steps were feeling heavier each time he advanced towards Malini. After the marriage he dismissed it as his sense of responsibility for Imlie but then later he realised he had been developing feelings all along.

Yeah. In Saturday episode also he said Malini se shadi ke baad hume ehsaas hua....ehsaas being the word... The bond n connect was developing from starting but started realising it later.

Thank you for the reply❤️

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Posted: 4 years ago
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The marriage being forced on Adi Imlie is not in question. That’s a clear fact that no one can deny.


What Adi lied to himself about was his belief in that marriage regardless of it being forced. As you said, it was his way of coping with the trauma of how the marriage happened. But all the rest of the lashing out about it being illegal and all he never really believed. As a man of honor, his conscience recognized the commitment of that shaadi with Imlie regardless of how it happened. But he suppressed his conscience for a long time and that is why he kept claiming it’s illegal and invalid. And that is the guilt he carried along that also made him bury his head in the sand and carry his denial to the extent of still marrying Malini despite his conscience having recognized the marriage with Imlie as valid. That was his mistake.

He absolutely considered the marriage with Imlie valid from the moment it happened or he wouldn’t claim her as his wife in front of PD people even under the guise of protecting her. The rest was all just a long series of denial about Imlie’s place in his life as he struggled to maintain a commitment to Malini out of obligation.

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Originally posted by: PPak

Lovely analysis - I've wondered on that myself several times. Also a lot of the initial episodes show him having a more than casual interest in Imlie, The way he wanted to capture every moment of hers and how he got her to spend the day with him to take him to Chandu and the man milan - the way he looked at her dancing in the rain.

Subconsciously there was a connect of some kind and associated sense of responsibility and guilt. But in all subsequent dialogues 'naa chahthe hua' etc...- the makers after showing us these scenes don't acknowledge in dialog what they showed...maybe because it does see like Adi had a sub-conscious leaning to honor his forced marriage and there was some spark between the two. That would be at odds with his commitment to Malini then.

Maybe once Adilie really become one - he may introspect openly...and realize. I would like to see this scene with Imlie.

Yeah u r right. but I am not talking about the connect between them. N I hope like you said we will get those scene.

Here, I am talking about the validity of Adilie marriage in Adi's eyes. I feel though he denied...for him too it was a valid marriage

Thanks for replying❤️

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: AreYaar

The marriage being forced on Adi Imlie is not in question. That’s a clear fact that no one can deny.


What Adi lied to himself about was his belief in that marriage regardless of it being forced. As you said, it was his way of coping with the trauma of how the marriage happened. But all the rest of the lashing out about it being illegal and all he never really believed. As a man of honor, his conscience recognized the commitment of that shaadi with Imlie regardless of how it happened. But he suppressed his conscience for a long time and that is why he kept claiming it’s illegal and invalid. And that is the guilt he carried along that also made him bury his hand and carry his denial to the extent of still marrying Malini despite his conscience having recognized the marriage with Imlie as valid. That was his mistake.

He absolutely considered the marriage with Imlie valid from the moment it happened or he wouldn’t claim her as his wife in front of PD people even under the guise of protecting her. The rest was all just a long series of denial about Imlie’s place in his life as he struggled to maintain a commitment to Malini out of obligation.

Bold1. Yes absolutely. What I wanted to say was if he thought enough about the whole incident..he would have found reason or understand Imlie quite earlier n their circumstances too..But it was as if he blocked all those memories of before the actual ceremony so that he could carry out his obligation.

bold2: 💯 This was what I wanted to say... You put is so eloquently. Though he may be not aware about it consiously... But this was always there... Later after realising that he loves her may be...this subconscious awareness helped him to admit that this marriage is valid.

Thank you so much❤️

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Nice topic to discuss. Even today I have same doubt he only remember or saying forced marriage before that what led to it doesn’t remember…he may in subconscious also agreed to marriage in exchange of his life. Then later he may feel guilty and started to neglect it . He remembers the sindhoor applying scene in many occasions.

Many occasions he said even in Saturday’s epiosde also he cannot accept it said to anybody since he feels he defeated to the core. Even jainendra , police every one asks he doesn’t say a word about it. All situations he denied.

But equally he consider imlie also …that’s why I think he doesn’t go against anything…

First time it is in gunpoint . But in second PD trip why he didn’t clearly with all his ability push back the villagers… he was gone by words of imlie.

Even his marriage day he remembers his marriage with imlie when PT explains something. And from beginning he says he afraid that he may end up in hurting Malini at any point.

He is more on that there is no choice there is no love so there is no meaning of giving the name for this relationship.

He was very much disturbed from the fact that imlie preparing mehendi, taking sindhoor which given by Aparna. All this comes not from irritation of his own only by the fact that imlie may get disturbed… he considered imlie and her feelings very beginning.

Edited by Midnight_moon - 4 years ago
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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: shalu79

I dont know whether this topic has been discussed here or not. As I joined forum quite late. But this thing was going on my mind for few days.

n what triggered me to think in this way was to that whenever Adi used to remember about forced marriage.. he always had a flash of men holding guns around him during wedding ceremony but never about why they arrived at that point.

Why do you think Adi didn't tell about forced marriage to family and Malini after returning?

Bcoz if that marriage didnt mean anything for him n according him was illegal still why he didnt do it. It would have solved all his miseries instantly.

I feel regardless of how angry, bitter he felt bcoz of all the happenings but subconsciously I think he couldnt deny that he has got married n this marriage is real. Even if he felt that it was against his will still he did feel responsible for her. Somewhere in back of his mind... subconsciously..he knew that the truth is he is married to her but conciously was in denial bcoz for him his truth was he has promised his family and Malini that he is marrying Malini. N being a honest n righteous man that he is...He didnt want to dishonor his that promise n faith which his family n Malini had in him. n his truth abt him being married to imlie was pushed by his subconscious mind.

I am not saying he did that knowingly.. but there are ways we human deals with our distressing experiences/mental trauma.

Because it might be forced but Imlie agreed ro marry to save him n also requested him to go along to save his life. His conscious mind...he got an excuse this marriage is forced n invalid so he can fulfill his previous commitments. I know CVS didnt explore it or neither shown it to us clearly....

But the scenes like him going back to ngo..... addressing her as his wife, even him looking at some pics on camera once... made me just wonder...

Other thing he never pondered or remembered the moments when Imlie came running n saved him from getting attacked by putting her hand. why? would it make him guilty? would it question his concious thinking whether that marriage is really forced for him?

Would come later add more thoughts which are running in my mind.. sorry I am not that good in putting thoughts on paper

would like to know your thoughts...

I feel somewhere the fact that he was married to Imlie hit him the hardest on the day before and the day he married Malini. When his father explained to him that when you do all the rituals of marriage, it creates a sense of responsibility towards the other as you are bonded by things like the sacred fire, MS & sindoor. It makes you connected with the other for life. That entire time he flashed back to his marriage with Imlie. Though forced, he chose to think it to be illegal because it helped him stick to his commitment to Malini.

But his sense of responsibility towards Imlie at every step, till his marriage with Malini and even after shows that subconsciously he felt that it was real enough to want to protect her and ensure she was safe. That was why he was uneasy during his wedding day when he could not spot her, left his mandap to find her when she went missing, beat up the guy that was misbehaving with her and was even willing to go and tell the truth to Malini so that they could deal with the aftermath.

So he wanted to believe that the marriage was illegal, to justify not doing anything to change the status quo with Imlie and be able to protect her and nibhao his zimmedari to both Imlie & Malini, without feeling that he was cheating either of them.

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: shalu79

Bold1. Yes absolutely. What I wanted to say was if he thought enough about the whole incident..he would have found reason or understand Imlie quite earlier n their circumstances too..But it was as if he blocked all those memories of before the actual ceremony so that he could carry out his obligation.

bold2: 💯 This was what I wanted to say... You put is so eloquently. Though he may be not aware about it consiously... But this was always there... Later after realising that he loves her may be...this subconscious awareness helped him to admit that this marriage is valid.

Thank you so much❤️


@bold: Ah ok I see your point regarding that too. But like he told Amma Dadda in the lodge scene also, he knew the marriage was forced and that Imlie married him to save his life. But she was a living symbol of his helplessness to him, that is why he suppressed his memories of all she did for him. As he’s said a few times, he was shattered by experiencing the helplessness of being made to get married at gunpoint and Imlie became his scapegoat cuz only she knew the truth along with him. That is why he was unfair to her for so long despite knowing it wasn’t really her fault and she too went through the trauma alongside him.


He managed to suppress a lot in the need to continue functioning with his life as he had planned. And he ended up making bigger blunders with that.


And yes, agree again with your last line. The marriage with Imlie was always valid in his subconscience since it happened. He suppressed it consciously cuz he didn’t want to face that truth. But it was always there inside him. Realizing his love for Imlie gave him the courage to finally fact the truth that this marriage was always valid to him.

Edited by AreYaar - 4 years ago

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