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Posted: 10 years ago
#41

Originally posted by: habs


Sush!

You and I always agree . .except this time. Sahir has chosen to bear the burden he's bearing. Saayara is successful and doesn't need the infusion of cash. He just wants it to be bigger to prove something to a woman who won't know the difference. . . He's living in the past and is unable and unwilling to let go. . and while I like SAC's character - you can't blame others for the choices you have made which is what he's doing in his monologue . . if I heard him correctly he asks why is life playing this game with him? Why must he suffer or something to that effect. The answer is simple: he's chosen the path he's on . .. sometimes life deals us a bad hand. . .and sometimes we are the authors of our own misery. . .

And on a totally frivolous note - I'm glad Arzoo and Sahir aren't getting married at the moment because who the heck calls their future husband "Sir"? Seriously.😉




Hi Indra...perhaps I missed some dialogues that indicated he was indulging in self pity...? But the self pity angle comes across not by Sahirs action...which actually make sense to me...but sometimes the explanation of why they should make sense...😆.

To me what came across was that he was very sad...after breaking up with Arzoo...and was resolving to accept this ...

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Posted: 10 years ago
#42
[ages Shweta!

Red...at this point Zakis character has certainly been stronger...
But at the same time...Zaki has also chosen not to worry about family responsibilities...
Sahir is at a disadvantage...because he alone is bearing that burden...

Sure he made an over ambitious move when he mortgaged everything...people do that in business...right? Zaki is not even willing to acknowledge the trouble the family is in...

I think the rape thing is forced in...saw it in another serial...I think there the ML set the rape attempt up by an auto driver so that he can be the savior...think egg allergy scene...something along the line...YIKES...right? It is a hot topic and they want to cash in...

Saahir is not blaming the world...is he? Did I miss something?
He said...he is making the choice to kill his Aarzoo...that is painful...but that's a pain he will live with...was there more?



Sush!

You and I always agree . .except this time. Sahir has chosen to bear the burden he's bearing. Saayara is successful and doesn't need the infusion of cash. He just wants it to be bigger to prove something to a woman who won't know the difference. . . He's living in the past and is unable and unwilling to let go. . and while I like SAC's character - you can't blame others for the choices you have made which is what he's doing in his monologue . . if I heard him correctly he asks why is life playing this game with him? Why must he suffer or something to that effect. The answer is simple: he's chosen the path he's on . .. sometimes life deals us a bad hand. . .and sometimes we are the authors of our own misery. . .

And on a totally frivolous note - I'm glad Arzoo and Sahir aren't getting married at the moment because who the heck calls their future husband "Sir"? Seriously.😉




Hi Indra...perhaps I missed some dialogues that indicated he was indulging in self pity...? But the self pity angle comes across not by Sahirs action...which actually make sense to me...but sometimes the explanation of why they should make sense...😆.

To me what came across was that he was very sad...after breaking up with Arzoo...and was resolving to accept this ...


I couldn't agree more!! He was sad yes, but I had a harder time feeling sorry for him than the majority; I think I'm with Lee when she basically told him to "suck it up" 😆
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Posted: 10 years ago
#43
Indra: "You and I always agree . .except this time. Sahir has chosen to bear the burden he's bearing. Saayara is successful and doesn't need the infusion of cash. He just wants it to be bigger to prove something to a woman who won't know the difference. . . He's living in the past and is unable and unwilling to let go. . and while I like SAC's character - you can't blame others for the choices you have made which is what he's doing in his monologue . . if I heard him correctly he asks why is life playing this game with him? Why must he suffer or something to that effect. The answer is simple: he's chosen the path he's on . .. sometimes life deals us a bad hand. . .and sometimes we are the authors of our own misery. ." .

And on a totally frivolous note - I'm glad Arzoo and Sahir aren't
getting married at the moment because who the heck calls their future husband "Sir"? Seriously.😉




Sush: "Hi Indra...perhaps I missed some dialogues that indicated he was indulging in self pity...? But the self pity angle comes across
not by Sahirs action...which actually make sense to me...but sometimes the explanation of why they should make sense...😆.

To me what came across was that he was very sad...after breaking up with Arzoo...and was resolving to accept this ..."




Indra: "I couldn't agree more!! He was sad yes, but I had a harder time feeling sorry for him than the majority; I think I'm with Lee when she basically told him to "suck it up" 😆"

Leesan: You girls are gonna get me in chubble! 😆 But never one to resist...here goes! 😉

Without doubt, HC is doing a fab job in his portrayal of SAC, he's a very nuanced actor, and manages to dominate any scene in which he appears, very captivating indeed.

It's just the characterization of Sahir that I sometimes have difficulty with . As a suave ,successful,demanding at times businessman, with a sense of fairness in his dealings...no problem. As a devoted ,dedicated son and brother...no problem. As a concerned yet wounded husband awaiting the fate of his errant (?) comatose wife...I get it. I actually admire his loyalty as many men would have moved on already. Falling hard for Arzoo, understandable. He's lonely,starved for affection and acceptance , it's only natural.His conflict re his feelings and response to Arzoo, I get that too, after all he's still married and affected by Zeenat's present circumstance. So far...so good.

What I have difficulty with is his inability, or refusal to move forward with his life and in so doing punishing and torturing himself ( and others?) so severely. And for what, a deal? To prove a point to someone in a coma, re a promise made 7+ years ago ? This characterization of a deep dark tormented soul just doesn't gel with a promise made ,even if the 22 yr old wife cheated,lied,insulted whatever!! There better be something more insidious or else this dark obsessive behavior rings hollow to me, especially if Zeenat was just a harridan!

Not to belabor the point,but many people endure extreme hardships everyday, harsh, life threatening , horrific things . In the scheme of life, a cruel uncaring partner should not produce such obsessive,destructive behavior after so long. If he was a friend, we might recommend him to get professional help,deal with it, move on etc. Something is just not adding up IMO, yes he's in pain but so are other characters, and pain is pain! We can't quantify it as being more than another's pain, we may handle if differently, but...it's still pain. The reason for his tormented life seems to be the basis of this show, let's hope that his dark characterization will be justified by the eventual back story...and soon! It's just not that convincing to me at this point.




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Posted: 10 years ago
#44

Originally posted by: Leesan

Indra: "You and I always agree . .except this time. Sahir has chosen to bear the burden he's bearing. Saayara is successful and doesn't need the infusion of cash. He just wants it to be bigger to prove something to a woman who won't know the difference. . . He's living in the past and is unable and unwilling to let go. . and while I like SAC's character - you can't blame others for the choices you have made which is what he's doing in his monologue . . if I heard him correctly he asks why is life playing this game with him? Why must he suffer or something to that effect. The answer is simple: he's chosen the path he's on . .. sometimes life deals us a bad hand. . .and sometimes we are the authors of our own misery. ." .

And on a totally frivolous note - I'm glad Arzoo and Sahir aren't
getting married at the moment because who the heck calls their future husband "Sir"? Seriously.😉




Sush: "Hi Indra...perhaps I missed some dialogues that indicated he was indulging in self pity...? But the self pity angle comes across
not by Sahirs action...which actually make sense to me...but sometimes the explanation of why they should make sense...😆.

To me what came across was that he was very sad...after breaking up with Arzoo...and was resolving to accept this ..."




Indra: "I couldn't agree more!! He was sad yes, but I had a harder time feeling sorry for him than the majority; I think I'm with Lee when she basically told him to "suck it up" 😆"

Leesan: You girls are gonna get me in chubble! 😆 But never one to resist...here goes! 😉

Without doubt, HC is doing a fab job in his portrayal of SAC, he's a very nuanced actor, and manages to dominate any scene in which he appears, very captivating indeed.

It's just the characterization of Sahir that I sometimes have difficulty with . As a suave ,successful,demanding at times businessman, with a sense of fairness in his dealings...no problem. As a devoted ,dedicated son and brother...no problem. As a concerned yet wounded husband awaiting the fate of his errant (?) comatose wife...I get it. I actually admire his loyalty as many men would have moved on already. Falling hard for Arzoo, understandable. He's lonely,starved for affection and acceptance , it's only natural.His conflict re his feelings and response to Arzoo, I get that too, after all he's still married and affected by Zeenat's present circumstance. So far...so good.

What I have difficulty with is his inability, or refusal to move forward with his life and in so doing punishing and torturing himself ( and others?) so severely. And for what, a deal? To prove a point to someone in a coma, re a promise made 7+ years ago ? This characterization of a deep dark tormented soul just doesn't gel with a promise made ,even if the 22 yr old wife cheated,lied,insulted whatever!! There better be something more insidious or else this dark obsessive behavior rings hollow to me, especially if Zeenat was just a harridan!

Not to belabor the point,but many people endure extreme hardships everyday, harsh, life threatening , horrific things . In the scheme of life, a cruel uncaring partner should not produce such obsessive,destructive behavior after so long. If he was a friend, we might recommend him to get professional help,deal with it, move on etc. Something is just not adding up IMO, yes he's in pain but so are other characters, and pain is pain! We can't quantify it as being more than another's pain, we may handle if differently, but...it's still pain. The reason for his tormented life seems to be the basis of this show, let's hope that his dark characterization will be justified by the eventual back story...and soon! It's just not that convincing to me at this point.





Lee...my opinion is ...no back story was needed for him to want to make Saiyara a Fortune 500 company...people take risk, and bet everything in business...that's how capitalism works...no justification needed...no excuse was needed...it is Okay to want to take risk...and it is human to bet everything and sometimes even manipulate things...remember Linus from Sabrina? Why did we need Zeenat's promise...to bring that in?
Edited by -Sush- - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
#45

Originally posted by: jay_bpm




Fir laut aaya apne virane me
Ghane andhere jaha raste dikhaye
khamoshiyon ke shor me jita hu
Narazgi khud se sheene me basaye
Khud se har pal nafrat nibhaye
Sirf dard ko hi apna wajood banaye
Muskhil se milli aarzoo ko durr bhagaye
Pyar se khud ko pare karte jaye
Jeena he mujko khud ko bar bar marne ke liye
Chalna he mujhe bar bar girne ke liye


Awesome Jay👏
Since you wrote on Sahir's part responding from Arzoo's POV

Kyu girne ki hain yeh Arzoo tumhe
Ek Arzoo hi thi is Arzoo ke liye
Har woh lamha jo ajeez tha jeene ke liye
Un lamho ko chheen liya ek adhoori Aarzoo ke liye
Shor bhi na hua jaab toota dil kisi Arzooo ke liye
Aj jab jana ki ek fareb tha har fasana Arzoo ke liye.😭


Beautiful episodes and am loving the level of communication that has been shown in this show.👏
HC is splendid in his acting an d Shivya was ok.could have done better.

Even I loved Sahirs line ek hi to arzoo thi.

The actor playing Zaki too is doing fab job. But at times his voice is like SRK

They changed montage and now zaki is there too😕 so What next?


Beautiful post Sush and equally beautiful collages.👏
Shweta am not lost just come back home late and then have no energy to watch tv or log on. This vacation is more like
Pai ni pedash nahi ghadik ni navrash nahi. ALL gujus will understand what I mean but for rest its basically busy doing nothing😕



Edited by BHAVII - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
#46

Originally posted by: -Sush-


Sush: "Hi Indra...perhaps I missed some dialogues that indicated he was indulging in self pity...? But the self pity angle comes across
not by Sahirs action...which actually make sense to me...but sometimes the explanation of why they should make sense...😆.

To me what came across was that he was very sad...after breaking up with Arzoo...and was resolving to accept this ..."




Indra: "I couldn't agree more!! He was sad yes, but I had a harder time feeling sorry for him than the majority; I think I'm with Lee when she basically told him to "suck it up" 😆"

Leesan: You girls are gonna get me in chubble! 😆 But never one to resist...here goes! 😉

Without doubt, HC is doing a fab job in his portrayal of SAC, he's a very nuanced actor, and manages to dominate any scene in which he appears, very captivating indeed.

It's just the characterization of Sahir that I sometimes have difficulty with . As a suave ,successful,demanding at times businessman, with a sense of fairness in his dealings...no problem. As a devoted ,dedicated son and brother...no problem. As a concerned yet wounded husband awaiting the fate of his errant (?) comatose wife...I get it. I actually admire his loyalty as many men would have moved on already. Falling hard for Arzoo, understandable. He's lonely,starved for affection and acceptance , it's only natural.His conflict re his feelings and response to Arzoo, I get that too, after all he's still married and affected by Zeenat's present circumstance. So far...so good.

What I have difficulty with is his inability, or refusal to move forward with his life and in so doing punishing and torturing himself ( and others?) so severely. And for what, a deal? To prove a point to someone in a coma, re a promise made 7+ years ago ? This characterization of a deep dark tormented soul just doesn't gel with a promise made ,even if the 22 yr old wife cheated,lied,insulted whatever!! There better be something more insidious or else this dark obsessive behavior rings hollow to me, especially if Zeenat was just a harridan!

Not to belabor the point,but many people endure extreme hardships everyday, harsh, life threatening , horrific things . In the scheme of life, a cruel uncaring partner should not produce such obsessive,destructive behavior after so long. If he was a friend, we might recommend him to get professional help,deal with it, move on etc. Something is just not adding up IMO, yes he's in pain but so are other characters, and pain is pain! We can't quantify it as being more than another's pain, we may handle if differently, but...it's still pain. The reason for his tormented life seems to be the basis of this show, let's hope that his dark characterization will be justified by the eventual back story...and soon! It's just not that convincing to me at this point.





Lee...my opinion is ...no back story was needed for him to want to make Saiyara a Fortune 500 company...people take risk, and bet everything in business...that's how capitalism works...no justification needed...no excuse was needed...it is Okay to want to take risk...and it is human to bet everything and sometimes even manipulate things...remember Linus from Sabrina? Why did we need Zeenat's promise...to bring that in?


Agree why Zeenat? I think makers have realized it as well and hence Zeenat is now like a ghost. Just her name is there. I have a feeling that somehow she will pass away and we may not see her at all

Indra and Lee I too dont feel sorry for Sahir. IT was his own grave that he dug up😆 Seriously he just needed to tell her the truth and then live with consequences.

Zaki I am not sure if he even knows what is on stake?
Edited by BHAVII - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
#47

Sush: "Hi Indra...perhaps I missed some dialogues that indicated he was indulging in self pity...? But the self pity angle comes across
not by Sahirs action...which actually make sense to me...but sometimes the explanation of why they should make sense...😆.

To me what came across was that he was very sad...after breaking up with Arzoo...and was resolving to accept this ..."


Indra: "I couldn't agree more!! He was sad yes, but I had a harder time feeling sorry for him than the majority; I think I'm with Lee when she basically told him to "suck it up" 😆"

Leesan: You girls are gonna get me in chubble! 😆 But never one to resist...here goes! 😉

Without doubt, HC is doing a fab job in his portrayal of SAC, he's a very nuanced actor, and manages to dominate any scene in which he appears, very captivating indeed.

It's just the characterization of Sahir that I sometimes have difficulty with . As a suave ,successful,demanding at times businessman, with a sense of fairness in his dealings...no problem. As a devoted ,dedicated son and brother...no problem. As a concerned yet wounded husband awaiting the fate of his errant (?) comatose wife...I get it. I actually admire his loyalty as many men would have moved on already. Falling hard for Arzoo, understandable. He's lonely,starved for affection and acceptance , it's only natural.His conflict re his feelings and response to Arzoo, I get that too, after all he's still married and affected by Zeenat's present circumstance. So far...so good.

What I have difficulty with is his inability, or refusal to move forward with his life and in so doing punishing and torturing himself ( and others?) so severely. And for what, a deal? To prove a point to someone in a coma, re a promise made 7+ years ago ? This characterization of a deep dark tormented soul just doesn't gel with a promise made ,even if the 22 yr old wife cheated,lied,insulted whatever!! There better be something more insidious or else this dark obsessive behavior rings hollow to me, especially if Zeenat was just a harridan!

Not to belabor the point,but many people endure extreme hardships everyday, harsh, life threatening , horrific things . In the scheme of life, a cruel uncaring partner should not produce such obsessive,destructive behavior after so long. If he was a friend, we might recommend him to get professional help,deal with it, move on etc. Something is just not adding up IMO, yes he's in pain but so are other characters, and pain is pain! We can't quantify it as being more than another's pain, we may handle if differently, but...it's still pain. The reason for his tormented life seems to be the basis of this show, let's hope that his dark characterization will be justified by the eventual back story...and soon! It's just not that convincing to me at this point.


Excellent post!! agree completely 👏
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Posted: 10 years ago
#48
By Sush: "Lee...my opinion is ...no back story was needed for him to want to make Saiyara a Fortune 500 company...people take risk, and bet everything in business...that's how capitalism works...no justification needed...no excuse was needed...it is Okay to want to take risk...and it is human to bet everything and sometimes even manipulate things...remember Linus from Sabrina? Why did we need Zeenat's promise...to bring that in? "


Leesan: True! From a business standpoint, I agree. But it's his motivation that's borders on obsession IMO. He appears to be taking these extreme risks, sacrificing the welfare of others, taking no prisoners approach, to prove a point to Zeenat??!! Or am I lost in translation here?

Linus was all about the deal,but.. for the deals sake! The money,the challenge, excited him, it was his raison d'tre ! He didn't have this deep dark obsession in my view. Sahir is portrayed as almost mercenary in his motivations to complete the deal ( the kiss?) before sleeping beauty awakes from her long slumber! Sorry, I think it's a bit far fetched, to put your whole existence on hold for a promise to a comatose wife? There must be more for this to make some sense to me!

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Posted: 10 years ago
#49
I see some type of discussion on personality and pain so must jump in given my profession and even interest 😆
Certainly Sahir is not first person in world to feel pain and not going to be last person. Sure pain is pain but still some events in our life leave much harsher marks than others. Once again this is reason I want to see his past, whole Zeenat issue for that very reason. Every individual has different personality. What type of being Sahir was? We have only seen bits of it ! Also depending on event we all may modify if not change some aspect of our personality or approach to situation !

The darkness they have shown in Sahir, they better have something very drastic ! Not just betrayal but much much more !!

It is also right people come out of their past, pain and move on; after all resilience is very important factor of our being. However everyone needs help to move on and take a step further. Those who have lost loved one, been betrayed or whatever be the case - they need someone! So far I do not see Sahir has such support. Everyone in family seems to go on with their motive. KA and Anam want to rule, older bro is gone, Alvira - not really sure what is her motive and Zaki with his lifestyle.
I wonder if family member even know Sahir has been hurting himself to this extent or if they do know do they care or they just scared and rather leave him at it? 😕 So far I have only seen Aarzoo barge in to relieve Sahir's pain and at times even if he says no. Even in office scene when Sahir breaks it all (seems his fav pass time 😆) Aarzoo dear goes in to stop him !

As far as self-mutilation goes, well need to realize how ppl deal with immense emotional pain ! Those who do not know what else to do hurt their selves, not coz hey are weak it's just they do not know what else to do !!
Also this type of individual have lost sense of self-worth. So called self-respect may have been replaced with ego ! So again need to reveal the past to know where does Sahir fits?
Edited by jay_bpm - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
#50

Originally posted by: BHAVII


Awesome Jay👏
Since you wrote on Sahir's part responding from Arzoo's POV

Kyu girne ki hain yeh Arzoo tumhe
Ek Arzoo hi thi is Arzoo ke liye
Har woh lamha jo ajeez tha jeene ke liye
Un lamho ko chheen liya ek adhoori Aarzoo ke liye
Shor bhi na hua jaab toota dil kisi Arzooo ke liye
Aj jab jana ki ek fareb tha har fasana Arzoo ke liye.😭


Beautiful episodes and am loving the level of communication that has been shown in this show.👏
HC is splendid in his acting an d Shivya was ok.could have done better.

Even I loved Sahirs line ek hi to arzoo thi.

The actor playing Zaki too is doing fab job. But at times his voice is like SRK

They changed montage and now zaki is there too😕 so What next?


Beautiful post Sush and equally beautiful collages.👏
Shweta am not lost just come back home late and then have no energy to watch tv or log on. This vacation is more like
Pai ni pedash nahi ghadik ni navrash nahi. ALL gujus will understand what I mean but for rest its basically busy doing nothing😕

well I can only write from Sahir pov so of course you'll reply 😆
I have said it many times and will say it again HC is absolutely amazing 👏
ahi bija keta gujju che ke aa kehwat farmavi tamme 😆

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