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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: AllThingsNice

Aansuo ke girne ki aahat nahi hoti,
Dil ke tootne ki awaaz nahi hoti,
Agar hota khuda ko ehsaas dard ka,
Toh use dard dene ki aadat nahi hoti.

I gracefully accept the wah wah's on behalf of whoever has written this. This one occurred to me when Rishi broke the glass and everyone was in their own world and did not notice that he was hurt. That blood was still trickling about an hour later when it had to fall into Husna's maang. Symbolic. After all, lest we all forget, we just had to be reminded that this was janmon ka pyar. Janmon ka rishta. She also prevents Kabir from wiping it off. Can we have more proof about whose wife she is?? But hadn't they used a similar haldi symbolism when Zara was around? But because that went nowhere, I'm ignoring these obvious, cheesy hints that are being flung at us.

Husna has to personally thank the Sharma family for all that they have done for her. And its supposed to be ironic that she goes and says the exact wrong thing to the wrong person. I really loved Munna here. The sheer opportunist that he is, he never lets go of a chance at smooth talk. 😆

Husna cooks for everyone as a parting gift. Rishi and Indu do not have the mutton biryani cooked by Husna. And instead of Kabir going and fetching Rishi, Husna goes. Isn't this violating some code? I don't see why someone's wife should go and coax back some random man and bring him back to eat food cooked by her.

I apologize for asking this question in this manner, but I don't know another way to phrase this...isn't purdah something that is still religiously followed? Is it okay for men and women to mix like this? And aren't Pakistanis more rigid about it than Indian Muslims? Aren't Kabir and Husna a bit too open and demonstrative? They touch each other, say sweet nothings to each other in front of a family that is practically unknown to them. Not sure its the done thing. If this is creative licence, then I must say they're using this in a weird manner. But if there's something I'm unaware of then would be glad if someone could clarify. Thanks.

Today's epi flashed back to some nice moments from the beginning of the show. When Husna was bandaging Rishi's hand, I felt they could have flashed back to the scene in GK 69 when Rishi hurts himself and Indira is scolding him. "Bilkul Ishaan hain aap" she had said 😃

Rishi brings to Husna's notice that she has done nothing about her khooni maang. Her confused look had me confused too. Is she affected by him? Is she thinking about why she did not wipe it off? No idea. We'll get to know tomorrow. After all, tomorrow is another day!

@bold
i'am a Muslim and A Pakistani too so would love to give your answer in a bit detail,i assume people are in India have misconceptions about Muslims and their lifestyles and they think There are some Rigid and forceful laws in Pakistan when it come to Pardha --it's entirely wrong consumption.
In Islam has clearly said, "Islam main koi jabar nahi"MEANS No one can force the other to do what he doesn't want to do.
YES.a couple can behave so sweetly or even touch each other in front of others . It isn't a crime as they are married but hence they Muslims so they respect of their religion and culture.
i sometime follow the pardha and sometimes not and its' entirely my own choice..NO one can force me.
And yes its okay to mix up with other families and other people if husband allowed his woman..we mix up with our male cousins,laugh and make fun in get togethers but there are some limits in our religion which we follow and we know where our limits end:)
Soma.
Edited by -soma- - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: -soma-

@bold

i'am a Muslim and A Pakistani too so would love to give your answer in a bit detail,i assume people are in India have misconceptions about Muslims and their lifestyles and they think There are some Rigid and forceful laws in Pakistan when it come to Pardha --it's entirely wrong consumption.
In Islam has clearly said, "Islam main koi jabar nahi"MEANS No one can force the other to do what he doesn't want to do.
YES.a couple can behave so sweetly or even touch each other in front of others . It isn't a crime as they are married but hence they Muslims so they respect of their religion and culture.
i sometime follow the pardha and sometimes not and its' entirely my own choice..NO one can force me.
And yes its okay to mix up with other families and other people if husband allowed her woman..we mix up with our male cousins,laugh and make fun in get together but there are some limits in our religion which we follow and we know where our limits end:)
Soma.

Thank you so much for writing in 😊 Really glad you took the trouble to clarify.

@blue-1: Yes, there are several misconceptions (stereotypes too), which I daresay, have been further popularized by films and television. So, yes, in the absence of first hand knowledge, there are plenty of mistaken assumptions that we work with.

@blue-2: These are the precise limits that I was referring to when I raised the question. Is HD depicting this properly? With your response in mind, I think its safe to say that the depiction is partially correct and partially 'creative' 😆

Edited by AllThingsNice - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: -soma-

i'am a Muslim and A Pakistani too so would love to give your answer in a bit detail,i assume people are in India have misconceptions about Muslims and their lifestyles and they think There are some Rigid and forceful laws in Pakistan when it come to Pardha --it's entirely wrong consumption.
In Islam has clearly said, "Islam main koi jabar nahi"MEANS No one can force the other to do what he doesn't want to do.
YES.a couple can behave so sweetly or even touch each other in front of others . It isn't a crime as they are married but hence they Muslims so they respect of their religion and culture.
i sometime follow the pardha and sometimes not and its' entirely my own choice..NO one can force me.
And yes its okay to mix up with other families and other people if husband allowed her woman..we mix up with our male cousins,laugh and make fun in get together but there are some limits in our religion which we follow and we know where our limits end:)
Soma.


as per story--kabir chowdhari is not muslim but he is hindu.
i dont know what they want show husna as hindu or muslim.but if cvs showing sindhor thing then i presume she is hindu too.

and as of now--cvs not said kabir and husna married--so i presume in due course it will be revealed both are not married .
Edited by 100raj - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: 100raj


as per story--kabir chowdhari is not muslim but he is hindu.
i dont know what they want show husna as hindu or muslim.but if cvs showing sindhor thing then i presume she is hindu too.

and as of now--cvs not said kabir and husna married--so i presume in due course it will be revealed both are not married .

Good point!

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Posted: 12 years ago
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As to whether Kabir & husna are married - i think its being deliberately left vague. Sometimes he says meri begum sometimes indicates not.

Re: Pakistani Muslim culture - its very variable.
In rural areas in punjab (that i've seen) men & women can be very frank with each other even though in general rural areas are more visibly prone to mistreatment of women.
Urban lower to middle classes tend to be more distant in family situations (i.e. parents & elders around) but otherwise with relatives there can be lots of openess, depends on the families. Say a bunch of cousins going out for icecream, movies whatever. and this is in a society where cousins can and do marry - mostly arranged but often just develops.
The same men & women will be pretty open with class or workmates.
Then there are the upper middles and upper classes some of whom can be very conservative or extremely relaxed about contact with the opposite gender.
As an example Valentines day is extremely popular in every city and town.
eg I had male friends in school and work and we visited each others homes with just the normal sort of constraint on how well you know them and the usual male female dynamics that you do have to be aware of, i.e. lines not to cross. At work you had to be more cautious as some people are more conservative & judgemental, to avoid getting talked about or taken as fast.
For instance my parents wouldnt have allowed me going over to someones home if he lived alone or with friends but that is any south asian parent's normal protectiveness.
In general the depiction in indian films or television of Muslims social mores is about 30-50 years out of date. People do not speak THAT formally. yes they are in general quite polite, except when they want to fight😉 people are people, they laugh & joke and so on. you would be cautious in front of someone you dont know just on a purely normal basis.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Even I don't think they are marriage, Kabir is hiding something for Husna " Babli isn't Husna daughter " or maybe she isn't his daughter and used her to get close to Husna . Oh man I just want a fresh track with social massage yaar . Enough of this my wife your wife thing man. Let whoever be with whoever and I mean prominently . Same thing again like Zara story . They have no creativity at all , and I wonder why this show isn't more 3+ trp . Stop plz bring the original Indira back as soon as possible . Any way Rati Di love more then anything , but yesterday was my last episode until HD is back to original but with a happy personality " I want Indira + Zara " for now good bye Hitler Didi . I thought this track was going to be interesting but no it about my wife n your wife , my wife your wife forever . Good luck to you all let me know if Indira is back . As of now I quit . I will miss you Angle but its okay I will watch your old shows n old Zara scenes .
Edited by aweil1 - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: AllThingsNice


You mean look beyond these scenes and search for deeper meaning?

No I mean don't get too much highly ambitious about what Ila shows rather wait for the next bomb which she will be exploding.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Such a lovely post... Awesome to read yours always kanan...
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Your post is always nice to read.

But how come rishi does not aware of the Blood that was bleeding after an hour?
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: 100raj


as per story--kabir chowdhari is not muslim but he is hindu.
i dont know what they want show husna as hindu or muslim.but if cvs showing sindhor thing then i presume she is hindu too.

and as of now--cvs not said kabir and husna married--so i presume in due course it will be revealed both are not married .

i don't know they are muslim or not but 'in Pakistan 'Kabir' name is common.it's Islamic name so i can presume too he is Muslim if he isn't or he is Hindu so then they both are hindu.(husna/kabir).
Anyways my previous reply was in other context.:)
Edited by -soma- - 12 years ago

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