Winners always stand alone...

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Seeing forums condition and the way Indira's character is being critised these famous novel of Paulo Cohelo came to my mind.
I know if Rati had choosen some typical romantic saga (which is very popular nowadays) or sas bahu saga(which was always popular)then may be her character and she herself not be criticised like this
But what is that career where we have not tried to do somethng different ,we only followed the same path😊
So i am happy ,may be her show is not in top chart now but atleast she tried to do something new,
now may be she is not got heavy success but atleast as a fan i am happy due to this experiment in career .😊
So Rati i am happy for ur decision to choose HD.Only small request to cvs pls focus more on script,dont rush for trp.
If u show somethng good then everyone will ovbiously warch that.Think in long term,not on short term success.
Rati whatever happen to ur show or ur career we ur loyal fans will be always with u and i prey to GOD ke aap kabhi conventional ,common road follow mat kariyetry to be different.U will certainly be the ultimate winner.
May be for that u need to face some difficulty but u will get satisfaction.Baki we are with u.😊and always will be.šŸ¤—
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Posted: 13 years ago
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TRULY SAID.hd is unique interms of indira s characterisation.rati is doing complete justice to the role.i bet no one can do it like her.her hitlerishhh attitude rocks and cv s should stick to it always!that is the real beauty of hd.for now,the dips in trps and some ppl s hatred can never take my spirit down as a hardcore rati s fan and i will always support her !rati di will remain the best in our hearts!

RATI IS THE BEST!HD ROCKS!

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Posted: 13 years ago
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True
and i m always with her
no matter what will be the outcome regarding of trp


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Posted: 13 years ago
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I agree with what you say Abilasha (I hope I got your name correct)...
Edited by mahkutty - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: LoveKriyansh

Seeing forums condition and the way Indira's character is being critised these famous novel of Paulo Cohelo came to my mind.

I know if Rati had choosen some typical romantic saga (which is very popular nowadays) or sas bahu saga(which was always popular)then may be her character and she herself not be criticised like this


Please LoveKriyansh

Please, I beg of you, on my knees, if you will

Don't reduce the disaapointment and anger you are seeing presently at Indira's character assassination to "Sas Bahu" or "romantic " dramas. That is too simple and too wrong a deduction to credit your intelligence or ours

We all got attracted to HD becuase it was different. It had unique, intelligent, non-soapy, flawed hero and heroine with a wonderful story to tell.

That story was being told well with some hiccups till the end of rape trial. even the rushed "marraige" and "laughter" was bearble.

But what is not bearable is utter destruction of Indira. It is reducing Indira to a "bechari" precisely like the "Saas bahu" dramas you are talking about.

"Winners stand alone" True. But "Winners" are not made by just stating that "we are winners" over and over again, and believing stating will make it true. Work makes one a winner. HD and Indira&Rishi were winners. Now they cannot be even classed as loosers as they don't exist anymore. One has disappeared and another's body has been overtaken by an alien being.

This is the hard truth.

It makes me truly sad and truly angry when I see my thinking friends not realizing the gravity of the situation and blaming the messengers.

Forget about Indira or Indira imposter. We don't even get to see her now.😭

You as Rati fan, cannot be seriously thinking that an intelligent woman such as Rati would be happy to see the shambles her character is being reduced daily, at an alarming pace?

when questions are posed, analysis is offered on what wrong is ocurring, why are you silent. If you think the current track is a winner, please convince us, or at least make us aware of the other side of argument. There have been innumerable threads opened on loss of brand, Sumer's character, the behavior of "new" Indira or the non-existent" "Rishi". Post your views. Tell us where we are wrong. But please don't attribute motives that are plainly non-existent
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: jjkg


when questions are posed, analysis is offered on what wrong is ocurring, why are you silent. If you think the current track is a winner, please convince us, or at least make us aware of the other side of argument. There have been innumerable threads opened on loss of brand, Sumer's character, the behavior of "new" Indira or the non-existent" "Rishi". Post your views. Tell us where we are wrong. But please don't attribute motives that are plainly non-existent

Jem,
The current track is not a winner, but it is not a loser either... At least, for me, I enjoyed Sumer track more than Sameer track previously.
Need for Sumer track ? why a depressed Indu ? non-existence of Rishi ?
I would say Sumer was needed in this track as it was necessary that Indu gets to know the motive of her family and since it is about kidnapping and professional goons, it would have been pretty illogical had they showed Indu taking them on and freeing Rishi from their custody and if that were to happen, then Rishi character would be further butchered and looked more spineless who banked on a female to get rid off 2 goons and it would make us believe that Indu is the male protagonis and Rishi is the female protagonist.
No matter what a female is labeled as a hitler and is brave and courageous, at the end of the day, she is still a female with her own limitations and needs a man's help at the time of adversity. In Rishi's absence, INdu needed someone to step up and bail her out and it happens to be Sumer this time that's it... The story has moved forward pretty well with suspence intact and now Sumer and Indu will reach out to Rishi and nail the real culprit in the family.
Well, Indu was shown as a very strong girl who could walk through pieces of glass without any grimace of pain on her face and take the bull by its horn under crisis, but she has melowed down and done so because she is depressed. I want to make one point hear... If Indu is known as a hitler and who could face any challenge with her chin up, it doesn't mean she always would do that, she is after all a human and a girl with normal functions of a human being with emotions and mood swings. Every human being goes through a phase in their life where he/she feels low, heart broken, and depressed being lonely, which Indu is going through. yes, Indu has softened a great deal with her family and not the same hitler she used to be, but at this moment, her mind is preoccupied with thoughts of Rishi and his safety and her motive being to just bring him back safe.
So, Indu needs time to recover herself from the hurricaine that had struck her before the spring is back being the Hitler we know.
Rishi nonexistence or should i say Rishi is butchered... Anyone who would have started watchiing the show from the court track would thing Rishi is not the hero and it is Sumer who is the one as Rishi looked like a puppet in front of the goons, while Sumer was introducted as the hero who could save him. It is better we forget who Rishi is for the time being as his character is totally gone down the drain for the bad!!!
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Mahesh

I don't have problems with kidnapping track, or even Sumer if they had made him play a straight copper whose business is to help Indira. I have always been saying that no man is an island and we all need help. So Sumer as a cop, Radhe as a friend have to help Indira. It is to be expected.

What I object to is total destruction of the characters of Rishi, Indira, and the brand of Hitler. I have opened threads on these and I can give you links to those, if you desire. Don't want to retread covered ground and bore people again.

Tracks come and go, actors, actresses come and go, but brand identification is hard to build and recover from, once lost. "Hitler", "MMji...KDji" were two central elements of what defined HD. Using Hitler tag to define a crude, arrogant, passivelu corrupt copper is not a way to enhance brand loyalty. Neither is having the same man take Rishi's place, wear his clothes, especially them being his SR clothes. You have a different sentiment given you championing NK for a long time, is understood.šŸ˜‰



I will push back on your depression angle bit. (section of comment pasted from my response to you on another thread)

Yes we do behave differently when we are in depressed.

But the kind of deep depression you are talking about where we loose all enthusiasm, sense of self, brains etc ocurrs when adrenaline has been exhausted. We have exhausted hope that the situation can be salvaged.

You know the seven stages of grief. Indira is in her first stage where adneranline should be pumping in her day in day out, trying to find Rishi alive.

What I find very hard to digest is that she blackmailed this cop into solving this case. He relents, under duress. OK...so he is in your house trying to find the culprit. What would you do? You would do what you can to help him find Rishi ASAP. all your thoughts would be consumed by it, not by nuances of teaching, or "desh ka bhavishiya" lectures. Pretense of teaching can be maintained at any level, not necessarily at a good teacher level.

This line of thinking is right along the lines where Indira spent mental wherewithal to chase the cop, wait patiently for him to complete his bribe taking, click is pictures, print flyers, distribute them...all the while her husband was buried in some sand dump somewhere.

It is these glaring incongruencies between what one normally does in the heat or immediate aftermath of tragic event versus what Indira is shown to be doing.

I would be the first one to accept this kind of behavior had Rishi died. Because there is no recourse. One has to accept. Thus one gets depressed and mind starts chasing phantoms, placing empahsis on wrong things.

But what is galling here is that Rishi has not died yet. In situations like these, months pass, years pass, yet we see people still chasing their lost loved ones with the same ferocity as the first day they got lost. But Indira has had only a couple of days/weeks. Anyone in her position would be running on adrenaline, being swamped with only one thought - how to get him back alive. And in that end, being tunnel visioned.

We do that for important things in our own lives, like when our loved one becomes sick or is in an accident. We want doctors and everybody else to forget all patients, their families etc and only concentrate on us.Heck, we even do it for our work projects. We get less patient with employees personal lives when urgent deliverable are needed. Here we are talking of someone who at this very moment may be being tortured or again killed. How can Indira even be thinking about lecturing a cop, who is going to help her find her husband, even be thinking of importance of teaching

Most importantly, there is a saying in Punjabi that when loosely translated says "Matlab ke liye gadhe ko bhe baap manaya jata hai / For one's needs one accepts doneky as one's father". Why is Indira wasting her time and emotions, un-necessarily antagonizing this cop? A cop, mind you, who is not investigating this crime because of his own sense of duty. He is here because she blackmailed his boss. So why? oh why?

Edited by jjkg - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Indira of old would never have lost sight of that truck. If she could not have found a way to chase the truck, she would have been back at building sight, trying to find out where it went.

she had just seen her husband getting beaten and thrown off a high storied building. It is unfathomable she would not have done that. And mind you, she is in the middle of an unfolding tragedy. Not way past tragedy so that things like depression have time to take hold

Same with today's episode. We have seen Indira being tunnel visioned. Lets take the case of her work deadlines. so single minded and conscious was she of the deadlines, that she was back in the office on new years day and was yelling at her team for being late. That is how one, especially a go-getter like Indira, reacts when we are faced by tension, deadline driven episodes.

And project deadlines are in no way comparable to the deadlines and pressures she is feeling right now. She would be even more tunnel visioned. Passive people become aggressors in situations such as these, and yahan to hum Indira kee baat kar rahe hain


Last note and I will bow out :

Depression is a slowly creeping disease. It happens in the long aftermath of an event, not while one is in the middle of it. So Indira is really sad, in shock, stunned etc. But she has not reached the depressive stage yet.

Real people would be in "full fighting" mode at the present stage. This new "reel" Indira, I cannot say anything about, except express disappointment
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Jem,
Indira lecture to Sumer ? I attribute that to her nature. Indu has always been someone who has been pretty vocal about her views and spoken again without holding anything or worried about the repercussions. Sometimes the little nuance you talk about in Indira is quite stretched a bit.
I think it was more of a reminder to Sumer about him being a teacher to kids than giving a lecture how to teach. I don't read too much into it.
Regarding Indu's past actions like running behind the track and not acting wisely. I agree that it was unlike Indira who is clever and has a good presence of mind to act so inappropriately and defitinely when her husband was seen submerged in sand and taken away in truck, there was no way she should have been wasting time exposing a corrupt cop's act in public. I think it was a creative falure as to how they portrayed a strong character like Indu so dumb in this process.
But as I said, she is not herself with so much of emotions running high and to see Rishi, her support system in every crisis, to be in such a helpless state, she is broken within and unable to cope up with that trauma. This is the first battle Indu has to fight out without Rishi's assistance and that tell you what Rishi was in Indu's life and how much she banked on him, but now she is a turmoil with family taunts, losing her job, career worries, financial constraints, and of course Rishi missing in her life.
When someone is going through so many things in her life, how does one expect her to be still normal and approach things with clinical precision, she is bound to make mistakes and blunders when she is just acting subconsciously with her mind filled with thoughts of Rishi and hallucinating about worst fears of losing him out.
Edited by mahkutty - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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i completely agree wid u...im proud of d fact dat she chose sumthing different dat not many actresses wud hv opted 4 or evn succeeded at...😃

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