Asur and Devae

Hi all

This is a slightly different topic and you might find some overlap on history and mythology here

We might know that the ancient Persians (pre Islamic) followed a religion which worshipped Ahur Mazda (in fact there are still few people of this sect) called as Zoroastrians. Few prominent ones are Tatas and Godrej families

There is a deep connect between the followers of Vedas and Zoroastrians. If you see the language of Avesta, the most pious book of Zoroastrians and that of Vedas you would find huge similarities. The language is so similar that Vedic Sanskrit is closer to the Avesta language than to the Classical Sanskrit which is the language of Puranas, later Upanishads and epics like Ramayan and Mahabharat

There is one major difference though, the usage of word "s", Avesta has very few instances of sound "s", they generally have "h" sound instead. For example the word dasyu of Vedas become dahyu in Avesta, Sapta Sindhu of Vedas become Hapta Hindu in Avesta. And Asurs in Vedas become Ahur in Avesta...

The difference however. While in Vedas Asur are demons and Devas are Gods, in Avesta Ahur is God and Deovas are demons. While we do not find the name Zoroaster in Vedic texts, there is references of Indar (chief Vedic deity) in Avesta as a Demon

Also Shukracharya is mentioned as Daitya Guru (guru of Asurs) in Indic text, he is called as Usaana Rishi a term also found in Avesta with respect as a great Poet..

Not just this deities like Mithra and Varuna are actually common in both the religions(in lack of better word)...

This indicates that definitely earlier both these groups were together. They were actually the same people who later drifted into two groups one worshipping Indra and other not ..

Different scholars have different theories on when and where they drifted...

Talagiri actually mentions 10 kings war (Dashragya) when people moved across but his points are generally not considered very true

Please share in any details you might know

Sounds simillar to how Romans were influenced by the Greek cultiure so much that they adapted the Greek gods as their own with their names changed

Zeus - Jupiter

Hera - Juno

Etc

But this is even more interesting since this sect flipped Gods and Demons

Originally posted by: CID-fan-394

Sounds simillar to how Romans were influenced by the Greek cultiure so much that they adapted the Greek gods as their own with their names changed

Zeus - Jupiter

Hera - Juno

Etc

But this is even more interesting since this sect flipped Gods and Demons

Romans Greeks And Indo Iranians all were the different branches of same group

Zues Patter of Greeks became Jupiter of Romans, Vedics had Dyus Pitra(the father of Indra), however Vedic group gave lesser importance to probably the most important deity of Proto Indo Europeans (PIE) and had developed their new set of Gods which were unique to them like Indra, Pushan, Dasra etc. these new Gods have no equivalent in European Gods, but Indo Iranians were a completely different case they shared the language, heritage and practically everything just reversed their Gods..

They were therefore together for a much longer period than they were with their European counterparts

The study of RigVed with Avesta will give us many such insights to know how they were

Iranians are our closest IE cousins. The only two set of people who can truly call themselves 'Arya'.

Possibly the Origin of Indo Iranians was in Sinthasta culture.

I have listened some podcasts where connection and symbolism between sanatan and other religion are mentioned

The parallels between Parsi community rituals and sanatan rituals are also astounding

Some people also compared it to dev asur lineage who when migrated at opposite end of the world followed the opposite rituals of one another, though this one is just speculation but sounds interesting

It's very interesting topic

Originally posted by: devashree_h

Iranians are our closest IE cousins. The only two set of people who can truly call themselves 'Arya'.

Possibly the Origin of Indo Iranians was in Sinthasta culture.

Yesterday I was trying to find the word 'Urheimat'.

Originally posted by: devashree_h

Yesterday I was trying to find the word 'Urheimat'.

Sinthasta is slowly being removed from the list of probable Urheimat

Nothing special about that place, we find no traces of R1a genes has yet been found there (the sole reason why we believe that PIE people came from those areas. Even David Anthony is switching sides despite being the staunchest proponent of Sinthasta theary

He now argues that Perian areas could be the original homeland

This question of original homeland of PIE is currently the biggest puzzle in global history

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

Sinthasta is slowly being removed from the list of probable Urheimat

Nothing special about that place, we find no traces of R1a genes has yet been found there (the sole reason why we believe that PIE people came from those areas. Even David Anthony is switching sides despite being the staunchest proponent of Sinthasta theary

He now argues that Perian areas could be the original homeland

Do you mean Persian? Are there any links for this?

Originally posted by: devashree_h

Do you mean Persian? Are there any links for this?

Yes I meant areas around Iran

It was the latest interview of David Anthony